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Find someone who looks at you the way Donald Trump looks at Zohran Mamdani.
— Qasim Rashid, Esq. (@qasimrashid.com) 2025-11-21T21:30:07.439Z
Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)Moostache
(10,930 posts)Incanus
(180 posts)I think Mamdani played him like a fiddle, he's so easy to manipulate. If he expects Zohran to sing his praises he'll be sadly disappointed.
Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)He wants something from NYC.
What could it be?
Incanus
(180 posts)He may have initiated the meeting with the intent to humiliate Mamdani and thrill his fans but behind closed doors he has no bravado, no leverage. I think simple flattery will get you everywhere with him at this point.
Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)Trump is a genius when it comes to theft, grift, bribery, blackmail, revenge.
Underestimating a vicious, brutal, psychopath is a big mistake.
Americans will die doing so.
Incanus
(180 posts)Trump is everything you say but he's also struggling with cognitive decline, I don't underestimate him but I also don't underestimate Mamdani whose political instincts are spot on.
Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)And that Mamdami pulled a fast one on the orange f wad who deserves it.
The only hope we have now is that he continues to decline and becomes completely unable to do anything other than grunt and drool from his hospice bed. Time is our best hope.
yardwork
(68,626 posts)I'm not sure Trump is capable of long-term planning any longer. I think he got played.
At the core, Trump is a scared little bully.
angrychair
(11,557 posts)This was for the benefit of the press. This will get all kinds of positive press and the death threats and Epstein files will go to the back burner and you will see rebellious Republicans fall back into line.
This was a PR campaign and Mamdani helped him do it
Trump didn't gain anything from this, you give him far more credit than he deserves. He's not playing multidimensional chess, ffs. He's every bit as shallow and stupid as he appears.
Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)by being stupid. And steal huge amounts of money from the US and the world.
And will never serve a day in jail for his many horrid crimes.
Trump is not an educated man but he is ruthless, has animal cunning and instincts.
And is very very dangerous.
Incanus
(180 posts)Mamdani didn't give anything away today, the aging narcissist probably thinks so but it wouldn't be the first time he miscalculated and underestimated someone.
tavernier
(14,118 posts)by a dope with money and a long line of bullshit.
None of these guys are brilliant or particularly clever, but they are lucky and backed by criminals who know exactly n how to play them.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,983 posts)ancianita
(42,662 posts)the felon an inch when it comes to getting any play in New York City, the financial capital of the world.
If the felon wants anything, it's to be allowed to do business in New York again.
In every sense of the word the felon underestimates Mandani.
jfz9580m
(16,185 posts)But I did want to say that I dont think that is about smarts.
About 14 years ago I had a really nasty shock. Changed my perspective of reality overall and it took me a long time to recover.
The second Trump admin has actually helped restore my old perspective a lot. Our brains are strange beasts. These extremely complex problem solving tools we barely understand and yet carry around on us with a false sense of ownership over something we barely understand. But they are powerful and lately I have had a dawning recognition, an AHA
moment if you will:
It has made me realize why I have always found something incongruous about our horrible, destructive species-humans.
We are clever after a fashion, but we are so absolutely awful. How are we the dominant species taking down all of the biosphere since we dont seem that bright in any real sense?
Its that we are good at bullying. Most of our tools go towards war, hedonism and displays. That confuses the brain. Further, the program of brainwashing starts at birth when you are not explicitly told from the time you are born Oh btw you are a member of this really stupid species. No one will explicitly tell you this though all your life you will have a vague suspicion this is true and the dumbest members of your species will be the most supremacist and chauvinistic. The second dumbest people just react to the dumbest and never actually think about anything nor examine anything seriously and get angry and attack you if you point out that this is stupid.
But actually we are a very stupid species. This constant myth about human progress where thanks to a few scientists (and those not very responsible people since they teach the species how to build stuff we dont want or need, but absolutely nothing about how to be a less destructive species) we have all these tools and goodies, but no bloody common sense wrt how to not wipe ourselves out.
I have an answer to Fermis question lately. Where is everybody?
Where is everyone? If I were a super intelligent alien, I would absolutely avoid us.
We have to be the sort of pariah species everyone else hopes never gets more technology and I agree with that.
Id be like the pacifist in the 3-body problem if aliens contacted me and say Hey dont come here. These fuckers are crazy. Its the Idiocracy. We are all Maga and Maha etc over here. Just stay away from us. We are really stupid and would destroy anything cool.
It why except logically, its so difficult to have a sense of we with so much of the species.
Coldly logically it is behaving stupidly to copy our stupidest instinct which is brutalizing anything we consider stupid such are other animals which would exist in some sort of equilibrium with reality over building a bunch of fugly malls, factory farms (which highlight our banally brainless brutishness further) and parking lots and thinking this is some sort of cosmic gift, when you are actually wiping out billions of years of non-human evolution with a bullshit narrative based in dominion theology dismissing animal cognition so we can gloss over how outrageously stupid all this is.
Every human impacted place first loses its richness and diversity in any real sense. True in every part of the globe.
Incanus
(180 posts)And I wish I could recommend it more than once, especially the reference to the Three Body Problem. Thank you for the perspective.
jfz9580m
(16,185 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 22, 2025, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1)
I had some life changing epiphanies during this term.
I have been thinking about stupidity more and more. Encountering this females Substack caused an epiphany:
https://jessicareedkraus.substack.com/p/elizabeth-holmes-redemption-arc-loading
This is one of the most absolutely stupid people I have ever come across. It would be a punishment to hear this woman think or talk.
Thats death where is thy sting right there, being stuck being civil to that woman out of common compunction. As a thought experiment, that would be hell. I dont think her followers get how crazy she is.
Then I saw this piece on stupidity by this environmental author I really like called Andrew Nikiforuk that I got via this other really cool environmental writer Chris Ketcham:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/canadas-nicer-more-radical-bill-mckibben/
https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2025/07/25/Triumph-of-Stupidity/
As an environmentalist (the Chris Ketcham allied kind not Bill McKibben) I have thought about human stupidity all my life and then 14 years ago human stupidity came a lot closer and I had a breakdown. Now I am returning to normal having learnt a lot about how stupid people think.
Our elites are also disappointing-they have some skills and knowledge but they are craven, conviction-free assholes mostly who let mob rule or creep rule move history forward. That makes them stupid as well.
Reality is making me more radical as I grow older. Not like the Unabomber, but certainly I question the core assumptions of our idiotic societies more seriously all the time and way past most normal radicals.
God we are a stupid species
And in a fitting irony the stupidest among us are obsessed with IQ etc or equally lame metrics updated to give them some semblance of gravitas. The smart morons hedge is to attack someones sanity if the IQ thing is harder in a fair fight.
Beyond reprehensible
I am myself an unskilled person of at best mediocre talent. But I am not a moron. Thats why I would never work in media or politics or any human interaction centric anre etc. Fields that favor morons even more than most blah fields as its all surface.
Science and tech are trickier with a mix of bandits, the stupid and the (craven and douchey asshole) mediocre intelligent and a handful of legit intelligent adjusted for new realities people. That last group may or may not be of help. Who knows..
The actual scientific and medical elite are mostly usually too overworked and spot focused for the challenges of our times. Thats people like Dr Fauci. Really elite but too overworked ..and too forced into conventional roles only to be able to question these societies deeply. I have seen a few scientists or doctors who engage more politically and in better ways: Peter Kalmus, Clayton Dalton, Adam Becker..
Usually its a profession where personality wise the more left or liberal people will still feel a bit awkward about stuff that is not a cinch.
Thats why I liked Lina Khan. While I deride effciency as these creeps see it, a tumorigenic industry of growth around a cancer makes it worse. You need people like Khan. But thats an area of effort that is confusing to most scientists.
Whatever technological changes occur, with this chain gang in power and with the colonization mentality that all humans have it will need real intellectual muscle used all the time to counter these turds. Because they infect a lot of the mentality that is forced on the left in confusing ways
the program seems to be to optimise the stupidity found anywhere to maximize WallE world. Thats pretty sneaky of machines if that is how they plan to take over the world. That could actually work. But I am being flippant of course.
The real problem is humans not machines. And the complete failure of people who should have known better to hold the truly accountable parties responsible, choosing instead to fixate on trivial shit while allowing this.
Farmer-Rick
(12,326 posts)The thing that's protecting pedo Trump, aside from capitalism's worship of money grubbing and inherited wealth, are the oligarchy supporting him.
He isn't smart. He would get low marks on an IQ test. He talks like an idiot. A Smart man would at least pretend to be smart. He tries and he comes across as very stupid. A Smart person wouldn't have run a sex trafficking ring and raped 12 year olds because they would have known it would become public knowledge.
A Smart person looks to future outcomes. But pedo Trump can't. A Smart person thinks for himself and establishes valid moral standards to live by. Trump has no concept of morals or ethics. A smart man doesn't make his entire life all about gathering wealth.
And the oligarchy must have their stupid man to do their bidding. A Smart person would have realized what the end results would be and would have stopped kissing the asses of Thiel, Musk, Mellon, Adelson, Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos and Harlan Crow.
The filthy-rich need an easily manipulated stupid man to gather the remains of the wealth of our nation and stuff it into their pockets. If they had placed a smart man in the presidency, that person may have realized what these oligarchs were doing and may not have done it.
Pedo Trump is a very stupid man and it's just what an oligarchy wants. Look at how smart Putin is. He is now in the process of killing off the Russian oligarchs and taking all their wealth for his war. American oligarchs avoid this by selecting a stupid man for president.
yardwork
(68,626 posts)The press is pointing out that Trump groveled to Mamdani during the meeting, MAGATs are enraged that Trump met with "a socialist!!???" and nobody else really cares.
Meanwhile, Mamdani neutralized a potential threat to his city. Well played. This kid is starting out well imo.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,983 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)US govt and world with no consequences by being stupid.
Trump is not educated but he is a dangerous, ruthless psychopath with animal cunning and instincts.
Americans have underestimated him and will regret it deeply.
soldierant
(9,169 posts)It's very possible that he does in fact want something tangible or at least with a tangible effect.
Incanus
(180 posts)I think the meeting didn't go as he planned, I'm sure he'll tell a different story tomorrow when he realizes that he appeared weak. Meeting behind closed doors was important, when he has an audience he feels the need to humiliate those he considers his opponents, today he didn't get that chance.
tblue37
(67,814 posts)Incanus
(180 posts)But all the headlines I see are about how Trump praised Mamdani, it's bizarre and his supporters are in a tizzy tonight.
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(2,879 posts)Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,041 posts)that djt "likes" people only if he thinks he'll figure a way to manipulate them. The good thing is that Mamdani is smart enough to know that.
calimary
(88,618 posts)How much older is the donald than Mamdani?
Zohran Mamdani is 34 years old. He was recently elected mayor of New York City, making him the city's youngest mayor since 1892, the first Muslim mayor, and the first mayor born in Africa.
Age: 34 years old
He is the youngest mayor in over a century and New York's first Muslim and first African-born mayor.
The donald is pushing 80. More than TWICE as old as Mamdani. Born: June 14, 1946, New York, New York, U.S. (age 79).
Incanus
(180 posts)Trump never had any good years in my opinion, he was never attractive, had to buy women and friends and was loathed by NYC's elite, that leaves a mark.
h2ebits
(962 posts)It's fitting for all of the people that he surrounds himself with too.
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It's almost impossible to believe he exists. It's as if we took everything that was bad about America, scraped it up off the floor, wrapped it all up in an old hot dog skin, and then taught it to make noises with its face. ~ Anthony Citrano
Incanus
(180 posts)As one of my followers remarked, it's astounding that you can post this tweet and everybody all over the world knows exactly who it's about.
JI7
(93,009 posts)that's all it takes for him to feel positive towards someone.
RandomNumbers
(19,019 posts)In theory, he might have gotten that just by Mamdani meeting with him publicly and by all appearances the meeting being amicable.
Which would be bad. BUT - "in theory". Mamdani is possibly good enough to spin this as him pulling a fast one on Trump. Did he? Or did he actually give up something meaningful to Trump? Time will tell.
Irish_Dem
(78,209 posts)And all that disgusting gushing about Mamdami.
wcmagumba
(5,314 posts)Incanus
(180 posts)And yes, creepy, ew.
Cha
(316,037 posts)SheilaAnn
(10,600 posts)Like he thinks he can absorb Mamdani's good looks by osmosis, lol.
Amaryllis
(10,862 posts)mr715
(2,439 posts)LOL
Incanus
(180 posts)I doubt the Lump would ever eat anything more exotic than a double cheeseburger or anything spicier than mayonnaise.
mr715
(2,439 posts)Which is already deviant.
And the "spicier than mayonnaise" induced my gag reflex. I can envision Trump eating mayo out of the jar like so much pudding-fingers DeSantis.
I suspect Trump has probably had Katz's, which is sad, because he should not have the joy of experiencing food from Katz's. Damn, now I want Katz's.
Incanus
(180 posts)We have a lot of ethnic restaurants within driving range but very few delis and bakeries.
mr715
(2,439 posts)thebigidea
(13,552 posts)spanone
(140,762 posts)HE'S OUT OF HIS FUCKING MIND
Incanus
(180 posts)mr715
(2,439 posts)Trump was putting out some serious kissy kissy vibes.
He was pretty sparkly, wasn't he? Batting those crusty old eyelashes at the handsome young man, shameful!
mr715
(2,439 posts)But the bar isn't high.
Incanus
(180 posts)I have never seen him that affectionate with his family, well, except for Ivanka but that's a whole other disturbing thing.
delisen
(7,182 posts)Maybe he will give NY half of Ukraine, or 20 billion.
Aviation Pro
(15,113 posts)That Mayor-elect Mamdani has access to the Epstein files.
That's my guess.
Incanus
(180 posts)I'm certain his toadies have scrubbed anything compromising from the files, not to mention all he has to do is keep saying that the files are fake and he won't lose a single supporter.
Could be that he's exhausted from all the confrontation and is as easily manipulated as any other malignant narcissist.
Marcuse
(8,733 posts)Incanus
(180 posts)This isn't really all that surprising considering how he behaved with MBS, pretend you like him and he crumples.
58Sunliner
(6,267 posts)Trumps looks like some psycho character right before he murders someone. Brian Kilmeade said on FOX that JD Vance was "jealous". I wish Mamdani had said no.
Incanus
(180 posts)Honestly I think Mamdani was the victor, the photos are not flattering to Trump, he looks like he's begging for affection and not at all like the alpha male his fans consider him.
58Sunliner
(6,267 posts)Reminded me of Elon with the dark maga, drugged-up look. Maybe a new med combo.
RandomNumbers
(19,019 posts)do we have any evidence that it didn't already happen?
58Sunliner
(6,267 posts)mr715
(2,439 posts)If the GOP thinks Trump is going to protect them from communists like Mamdani, today was not a display that'll make them feel happy.
My apologies to dogs, but Trump looks like a labrador. He did not present as the senior partner in that relationship.
It brings to mind Elon Musk in the white house. Except, instead of insanity, you had a disciplined mayor elect laser (LASER) focused on affordability to the exclusion of all else. He barely moved.
58Sunliner
(6,267 posts)mr715
(2,439 posts)Hassler
(4,685 posts)Incanus
(180 posts)Bring him a trinket and he's all yours.
NH Ethylene
(31,268 posts)But it does speak well for Mamdani's personality and charisma. He could be a rising star!
Incanus
(180 posts)He's increasingly isolated and it's taking a toll. I agree about Mamdani, his critics thought he wouldn't be able to hold his own but he did more than that.
paleotn
(21,232 posts)Just as Mohammad Bin Salmon, Vlad Putin, etc. etc. Or Mamdani somehow has him by the short hairs. I'm thinking the later.
Incanus
(180 posts)But Mamdani has the same sort of charisma Obama and Bill Clinton have, when you meet them in person you're charmed, not because of anything calculated, but people always seemed to be so disarmed by Obama and Clinton when they met.
paleotn
(21,232 posts)Trump is weak minded and easily charmed, manipulated, etc. "He called me a fascist. Oh, that's OK." When you think Donnie couldn't be a bigger maroon he surprises us.
patphil
(8,537 posts)Men like Putin, Kim Jung Un, and Jair Bolosonaro. And now, Zorhan Mamdani.
Is Trump a closet homosexuial?
wcmagumba
(5,314 posts)patphil
(8,537 posts)Like so many others who condemn LGBTQ behavior, it could be that this is something he is drawn to.
Personally I adhere to the philosophy that love is love. Sexuality is a completely different thing.
Sogo
(6,872 posts)a Trump sex act at a private party of young kids, at the golden apartment in the sky. It's speculated that it's probably the number one reason he's trying to keep all his predatory history under wraps.
Lifeafter70
(738 posts)And maybe epstein, but he ain't talking.
mr715
(2,439 posts)Trump doesn't seem to understand YMCA either.
Incanus
(180 posts)I doubt he's gay, I think he loves himself alone and views sex as a way to dominate and since women are more vulnerable he preys on them.
haele
(14,910 posts)And I'll guarantee Mandami kept asking Trump about his Real Estate Tycoon experience so Trump could keep answering "I knew a Guy....", or "That property would be good for mixing local housing and business, and maybe a couple penthouses to get the money in..."
Keep the old dementia patient happy talking about past victories.
That look in the picture is his "I got a sucker for one of my deals" looks just like in old financial news photographs from before he started bankrupting casinos.
Incanus
(180 posts)It's amazing considering Mamdani agreed that Trump is a fascist and he still swoons over the guy.
delisen
(7,182 posts)Incanus
(180 posts)Despite the sustained attempt to portray Mamdani as a dangerous jihadist he managed to get elected mayor of NYC. Maybe people should stop feeding the right and start supporting this Democrat.
mr715
(2,439 posts)Author of the Government Supermarket Manifesto, the Analycts of Free Bussing.
Run away!
BidenRocks
(2,559 posts)on South Park!
C'mon guy!
Fucking creepy as hell!
mr715
(2,439 posts)BidenRocks
(2,559 posts)C'mon, Satan!
Kid Berwyn
(22,435 posts)Aint them.
Incanus
(180 posts)Don Jr. and Eric watching the presser between Zohran Mamdani and their dad:
— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@mrsbettybowers.bsky.social) 2025-11-21T23:20:13.985Z
surfered
(10,511 posts)
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,983 posts)Do mayors often visit the White House?
Why grant that asshole the tiniest bit of legitimacy?
thebigidea
(13,552 posts)He's probably doing the same hopeful routine every world leader or state governor does when newly elected, announce some vague plan to "work together on common goals," do research on how to manipulate and flatter him, kiss the ring.
Then reality kicks in.
thebigidea
(13,552 posts)DBoon
(24,549 posts)Except he'd likely raid the pantry once i'm asleep
Joinfortmill
(19,655 posts)niyad
(128,828 posts)not walk, to the nearest exit. CREEEEEEEPY!!!
kimbutgar
(26,528 posts)Jersey Devil
(10,696 posts)I think Trump simply wants to learn up close just what it is that makes Mamdani so popular and then try to mimic him.
Hotler
(13,662 posts)and spews out through the orange one. He's their tool to spray us with their hate.
pansypoo53219
(22,769 posts)AdamGG
(1,843 posts)Get a restraining order because they're a complete fucking psychopath.