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MarineCombatEngineer

(17,164 posts)
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 12:52 PM Monday

And now there's this:

Pentagon says it's investigating Sen. Mark Kelly for video urging troops to defy 'illegal orders'

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon says it is investigating Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona for possible breaches of military law after Kelly joined a handful of other lawmakers in a video that called for U.S. troops to refuse unlawful orders.

The Pentagon’s statement, which was posted on social media on Monday, cited a federal law that allows retired service members to be recalled to active duty on orders of the defense secretary for possible court-martial or other measures. Kelly served in the U.S. Navy as a fighter pilot before going on to become an astronaut. He retired at the rank of captain.

It is extraordinary for the Pentagon, which until the second Trump term has usually gone out of its way to act and appear apolitical, to directly threaten a sitting member of Congress with investigation.

In its statement, the Pentagon suggested that Kelly’s statements in the video interfered with the “loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces” by citing the federal law that prohibits such actions.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pentagon-says-it-s-investigating-sen-mark-kelly-for-video-urging-troops-to-defy-illegal-orders/ar-AA1R3Gc3?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=69249a5b44cc4583970a03e83148a319&ei=28

Good luck with that, this will go about as far, if even that, as the Comey and James cases.
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And now there's this: (Original Post) MarineCombatEngineer Monday OP
They are threatening to court marital a sitting senator for telling troops to follow the law. Irish_Dem Monday #1
These people are bigger fools than anyone ever thought, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #2
The Pentagon has just disgraced it self. Irish_Dem Monday #5
As well as Republicans running for office in 2026 in AZ. ProudMNDemocrat Monday #23
Absolutely ridiculous. I stand with Senator and former Navy Captain Mark Kelly and the other lawmakers iluvtennis Monday #15
The Trump crime syndicate wants to prosecute leaders who tell people to follow the law. Irish_Dem Monday #22
And Flynn walks around scott free. GP6971 Monday #3
Unfortunately, that's true, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #4
Don't forget liberalgunwilltravel Monday #11
They should be recalled to active duty and face a Court Martial for insurrection and treason, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #12
Maybe not in THIS administration Jilly_in_VA Monday #31
I would like nothing better than to see a Democratic Admin. prosecute these traitors to our country, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #33
AMEN, brother! Jilly_in_VA Monday #35
Flynn is a traitor and belongs in a supermax prison for life. Irish_Dem Monday #6
Basically admitting that they know the Toddler in Chief is issuing illegal orders. tanyev Monday #7
DURec leftstreet Monday #8
I smell Hegseth... Fil1957 Monday #9
His alcohol smelling breath is all over this, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #10
So I have a conspiracy theory on this angrychair Monday #13
A unitary executive with immunity is above the law say the sophists Ponietz Monday #26
Is it in his core duties to issue illegal orders? Dave says Monday #29
It's KAROLINE Jilly_in_VA Monday #32
Yeah, sure, go ahead mcar Monday #14
Not the point OrangeJoe Monday #21
Yes, I'm aware of that mcar Monday #25
Let's hope so OrangeJoe Monday #36
These charges are to make points with illiterate/uneducated MAGAts. UTUSN Monday #16
Given the disclosure of the sourcing of X MAGA posts yesterday Ponietz Monday #27
Kelly is an American hero. Is Trump dead yet? Joinfortmill Monday #17
It eats Dear Leader up more than anything UTUSN Monday #30
There is no end to the shame the republicans will paint themselves with Augiedog Monday #18
God, Pete Hegseth is one crazy asshole. Initech Monday #19
Oh good lord! Talk about drunk on power! Please continue digging that deep hole you are already in! KitFox Monday #20
Appears the Pentagon has some Officers loyal to Donvict to do this KS Toronado Monday #24
"the video interfered with the "loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces" Dave Bowman Monday #28
Yeah right it did Jilly_in_VA Monday #34

Irish_Dem

(78,209 posts)
1. They are threatening to court marital a sitting senator for telling troops to follow the law.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 12:55 PM
Monday

A decorated combat veteran as well a sitting senator.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,164 posts)
2. These people are bigger fools than anyone ever thought,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 12:58 PM
Monday

Mark Kelly is a national hero, and here in AZ, he's revered, this is going to badly backfire on Kegsbreath.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,434 posts)
23. As well as Republicans running for office in 2026 in AZ.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:02 PM
Monday

From Federal offices on down. ALL Republicans will be tied to the Trump regime and to Pete Hegseth.

This cannot bode well for Republicans at any level.

iluvtennis

(21,421 posts)
15. Absolutely ridiculous. I stand with Senator and former Navy Captain Mark Kelly and the other lawmakers
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:27 PM
Monday

Let's investigate and prosecute the one who got 5 deferrals for bone spurs to avoid military service.

Irish_Dem

(78,209 posts)
22. The Trump crime syndicate wants to prosecute leaders who tell people to follow the law.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:01 PM
Monday

Yes I stand with those who are doing the right thing.

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,011 posts)
11. Don't forget
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:18 PM
Monday

Scott Perry and Doug Mastriano. Both retired officers and both actively participated in the insurrection.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,164 posts)
12. They should be recalled to active duty and face a Court Martial for insurrection and treason,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:20 PM
Monday

but we both know that's never going to happen.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,164 posts)
33. I would like nothing better than to see a Democratic Admin. prosecute these traitors to our country,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 06:12 PM
Monday

and I would love to see it broadcast live, I bet it would get ratings never seen before, it would be......EPIC!!

Irish_Dem

(78,209 posts)
6. Flynn is a traitor and belongs in a supermax prison for life.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 01:28 PM
Monday

And yet he walks free while good people are people persecuted and threatened.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,164 posts)
10. His alcohol smelling breath is all over this,
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:18 PM
Monday

he's stepped into a steaming pile of shit by going after this national hero.
I suspect that Kegsbreath is jealous of Sen. Kelly because he can't even come close to what the Sen. has accomplished in his life, Military and Civilian.

angrychair

(11,557 posts)
13. So I have a conspiracy theory on this
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:22 PM
Monday

So in a little reported quip from carolyn leavitt during a press conference on that video said that if the president says it it's not illegal.

I think they are going to make the argument that, based on the SCOTUS ruling that the president can't do anything illegal in the performance of his core duties that any order he gives as commander in chief is therefore always legal

I'm not a lawyer so take that with a grain of salt.

Dave says

(5,293 posts)
29. Is it in his core duties to issue illegal orders?
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:54 PM
Monday

An illegal order would be one that violates existing law or the Constitution. Right? So how would issuance of such a law be within core duties?

There are plenty of things not legislated or in the C, on these the President can and should issue orders if he or she feels it’s necessary to secure our liberty or freedom. But there is plenty where conduct is defined and issuing orders against these would be illegal. Take it to court if something is unclear. Hell, he’s got a rubber stamp of a SCOTUS. Nothing to fear there DJT.

mcar

(45,531 posts)
14. Yeah, sure, go ahead
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:24 PM
Monday

waste our time and tax dollars on yet another vindictive action - this time against an American hero. That's for sure gonna help you win the midterms.

OrangeJoe

(546 posts)
21. Not the point
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:00 PM
Monday

The purpose of these persecutions (Sen Kelly, James Comey, Ms James, etc) is to make headlines for his MAGA base and cause financial hardship for anyone they go after. Sitting here it’s easy to say “I’d tell him to go f… himself” but that’s really a dumb answer.

When the Department of (In)Justice comes after you you need to lawyer up big time. Trump’s legal expenses are covered by us taxpayers. The defendants will be forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars every week to take care of the army of lawyers and staff needed to prepare a defense.

People on the sidelines but, as for now, out of the administration’s crosshairs, note that and temper their conduct and statements because they have no desire to take their turn in the barrel.

OrangeJoe

(546 posts)
36. Let's hope so
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 07:00 PM
Monday

We really need a 30+ seat swing in the House to drive a wedge in the Republican party & stop this madness.

UTUSN

(76,429 posts)
16. These charges are to make points with illiterate/uneducated MAGAts.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:30 PM
Monday

Even MAGAts who are veterans know that illegal orders are subject to be disobeyed. The only justification that Dear Leaders offers them honestly is that Dear Leader openly says he wants retribution/vengeance on anybody who put him through charges, never mind that those charges were legitimate. They're fine with that, even if they admit there's no legitimacy to the current things.





Ponietz

(4,213 posts)
27. Given the disclosure of the sourcing of X MAGA posts yesterday
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:40 PM
Monday

These actions are as much to score points with America’s enemies abroad.

UTUSN

(76,429 posts)
30. It eats Dear Leader up more than anything
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 06:05 PM
Monday

that there are people of authentic accomplishments and worth that he can never match.




Initech

(106,991 posts)
19. God, Pete Hegseth is one crazy asshole.
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:36 PM
Monday

He's the one who should be arrested and court martialed.

KitFox

(478 posts)
20. Oh good lord! Talk about drunk on power! Please continue digging that deep hole you are already in!
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 03:58 PM
Monday

How pathetically idiotic! And just like the myriad of other bungled retribution crap and handling of the Epstein files, they highlight their foolish incompetence and keep the stories afloat to their detriment. There is no bottom to this madness.

KS Toronado

(22,260 posts)
24. Appears the Pentagon has some Officers loyal to Donvict to do this
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:02 PM
Monday

that or they're scared to death of going against his illegal orders which is exactly what Kelly told them.

Dave Bowman

(6,347 posts)
28. "the video interfered with the "loyalty, morale, or good order and discipline of the armed forces"
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 04:45 PM
Monday

Pretty sure that the morale is at an all time low because of the idiots in charge. Mark Kelly has all my respect.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,600 posts)
34. Yeah right it did
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 06:12 PM
Monday

Morale is at such a low even among civilians that my grandson, who'd been planning to enlist after his HS graduation for the education and spousal benefits, has delayed both enlistment and marriage (thank goodness on the second, from grandma's POV, although I like his GF very much) until AFTER this administration is gone and is working for a building contractor.

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