The Krasnov Capitulation Plan Is Not A Peace Plan.

[gab13by13]

I don't give a shit what the MSM calls it.

The plan is exactly the same as what Neville Chamberlain did with Hitler.
Chamberlain negotiated with Hitler, appeased Hitler. In 1938 Nazi Germany annexed Austria, then Chamberlain later in 1938 negotiated a deal for Hitler to annex a part of Czechoslovakia, Czechoslovakia was not a part of the negotiations. In 1939 Hitler took over all of Czechoslovakia and later invaded Poland, Chamberlain resigned in disgrace.

In the Krasnov surrender agreement Russia gives up nothing. Ukraine will never surrender, if it were to agree to this appeasement plan Putin would rearm his military and take control of all of Ukraine.

Stop calling it a peace plan.

[canetoad]

1. Fairly obvious

That it's a surrender statement. Did you expect anything different?

[gab13by13]

3. I see how easy it ia for the right to control the narrative.

Words matter, calling it a peace plan matters, it gives Russia a blank check to do what he wants in Ukraine knowing that the US is absolutely not helping one bit.

Those sanctions that Krasnov said he was putting on Russia, have they happened yet. They aren't going to happen.

[canetoad]

4. Yes. Words DO matter.

But in a world that fights to reduce both the size and scope of words' meanings, many will describe it a 'Fair Treaty' whilst most will say it's an utter, despicable hatchet job.

Your citizens (present company excepted) are an uncommonly gullible bunch of souls. One may think that they are undergoing a form of mass hypnosis, in the most general sense of the words.

So - if a few up us are pretty sure that their words are worthless - why not the rest of them?

[ananda]

5. totally agree

Your post is spot on.

[Silent Type]

2. Europe apparently has responded with a modified plan that includes much of trump's plan. Maybe

Something will work out, despite trump.

I bet the deadline gets extended from Thursday, either formally or trump stomps around but doesn’t really do anything.

[gab13by13]

6. What is Russia giving up in Krasnov's/ Putin's Plan?

Putin is promising not to invade Ukraine again, just like Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia and Eastern Europe?

Giving half of Russia's frozen funds to Ukraine, the money is already frozen and removing sanctions on Russia would more than make up for those frozen funds.

[GoodRaisin]

7. Unfortunate for Ukraine and Europe that this moron got elected President.

As for so many others in this world who have and will continue to suffer. There is no sugar coating this presidency.