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demmiblue

(39,027 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:49 AM Tuesday

Chuck Schumer Faces Pushback From a 'Fight Club' of Senate Democrats

A group of liberal senators is quietly challenging the minority leader over his approach to the midterms and President Trump, in a sign of the party’s deep frustration.

A group of influential liberal senators is directly challenging Senator Chuck Schumer’s approach to the midterm elections and President Trump, in another sign of growing frustration among Democrats toward the minority leader.

The coalition of at least half a dozen senators, who call themselves the “Fight Club,” is unhappy with how Mr. Schumer and his fellow senator from New York, Kirsten Gillibrand, the head of Senate Democrats’ campaign arm, have chosen, recruited and, they argue, favored candidates aligned with the establishment.

The mutinous mood of the senators — who include Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, Tina Smith of Minnesota, Christopher S. Murphy of Connecticut, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts — reflects the widespread doubts among the Democratic base that party leaders in Congress have a strong vision and a winning strategy for returning to power.

The effort also amounts to an extraordinary pre-emptive challenge to Mr. Schumer at the earliest stages of the 2026 midterm races. He has faced widespread Democratic criticism over his handling of battles against the White House this year and his refusal to endorse Zohran Mamdani as the Democratic nominee for mayor of New York City. Mr. Mamdani ultimately won.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/24/us/politics/schumer-democrats-senate-fight-club.html


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Chuck Schumer Faces Pushback From a 'Fight Club' of Senate Democrats (Original Post) demmiblue Tuesday OP
. dalton99a Tuesday #1
This is great. I love Chris Murphy more and more these days. I hope he and the others succeed Scrivener7 Tuesday #2
Nice way to put it, gab13by13 Tuesday #4
Good in two ways Jilly_in_VA Tuesday #3
I have ALWAYS voted for him. I'll vote for a primary challenger next time Scrivener7 Tuesday #5
He will back out if AOC challenges him. gab13by13 Tuesday #6
I don't think so. I don't think he believes that. I do, but I don't think he does. Scrivener7 Tuesday #7
He'll be 78 in two years SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #9
How do you feel about Bernie Sanders? murielm99 Tuesday #15
I don't recall Sanders say that Biden was too old and should step down SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #16
I asked how YOU felt about Bernie. murielm99 Tuesday #17
Age is a number SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #19
Okay. murielm99 Tuesday #20
Why SMDH? SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #21
Your post number 9 does not criticize Schumer over his age? murielm99 Tuesday #24
No SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #25
Both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are older than Chuck Schumer. lapucelle Tuesday #36
Irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #40
Where did you read that Schumer wanted Biden to drop out because of his age? Do you have a source? lapucelle Tuesday #43
Ok SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #44
That's not a source for your claim. Your claim is that Schumer wanted Biden to step down because of his age. lapucelle Tuesday #47
You're obviously looking to pick an argument SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #48
Very improper semantics mr715 Tuesday #8
It's the Times. Improper semantics is what they do. Scrivener7 Tuesday #11
"It's the Times" mr715 Tuesday #12
Well done. Scrivener7 Tuesday #13
Schumer is a loser. He thinks it's 1989 and we're up against Bob Dole. F this guy. 617Blue Tuesday #10
A Loser? F Him? MineralMan Tuesday #22
Mitchell, Reid, Daschle - he's a shell compared to those guys. He's not a war time consigliere. 617Blue Tuesday #31
I think you hit the nail . . . Scubamatt Tuesday #35
Hope it's the first step toward a big win in 2026, and not a big fizzle and blown chance. Silent Type Tuesday #14
Good. Fiendish Thingy Tuesday #18
Post removed Post removed Tuesday #23
Meanwhile, Chuck, in the real world ... usonian Tuesday #26
We should criticize each other in private, Democrats fighting is never a good thing Walleye Tuesday #27
It's a national political party. There is no private. Scrivener7 Tuesday #28
Maybe you are right but these kind of divisions in the party always benefit Republicans Walleye Tuesday #29
Divisions are hopefully remedied by elections. nt mr715 Tuesday #32
I am also hoping right with you. I've seen it fall apart before though Walleye Tuesday #34
Sometimes these "stories" are meant to motivate leftstreet Tuesday #30
Thank god jaymac Tuesday #33
Good. GaYellowDawg Tuesday #37
Here are OnTheIssues.org ideology infographics for all 7 senators listed: 5 "liberal" and 2 "establishment". lapucelle Tuesday #38
The issue with Schumer isn't ideological imo fujiyamasan Tuesday #39
You've missed the point. Scrivener7 Tuesday #41
Actually, no I haven't missed the point. I read the NYT's anonymously sourced lapucelle Tuesday #45
Well, no. But you have a lovely evening. Scrivener7 Tuesday #46
It's important that he understands that this isn't 2005 themaguffin Tuesday #42
So! What's the big "challenge"? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #49

Scrivener7

(57,968 posts)
2. This is great. I love Chris Murphy more and more these days. I hope he and the others succeed
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:57 AM
Tuesday

in this.

(I know there's a small but vocal posse here who think that makes me a bad Democrat, but I'm perfectly satisfied to be as bad a Democrat as Chris Murphy. I'd love for him to be the new minority leader.)

gab13by13

(30,798 posts)
4. Nice way to put it,
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:08 AM
Tuesday

Anyone who disputes the age old notion that a moderate is needed to win in certain elections is labeled anti-Democrat.

I can't ever recall DNC leadership arguing the opposite view, that a progressive is needed to be nominated to win.

I wish we could just drop the moderate v progressive labels and go with the candidate who is a fighter.

David Hogg tried to do that and look where it got him.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,614 posts)
3. Good in two ways
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:03 AM
Tuesday

Either it pushes Chuck into action (doubtful but possible), or it forces him to step aside in favor of someone who will be more active in supporting Democratic candidates and a Democratic agenda in particular. I like Chuck well enough, I think he's a decent guy and all, but isn't there a time to take off the gloves and start fighting seriously?

SocialDemocrat61

(6,534 posts)
9. He'll be 78 in two years
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:03 AM
Tuesday

and 84 at the end of that term. He thought Biden was too old to run again. Maybe he should take his own advice.

murielm99

(32,535 posts)
15. How do you feel about Bernie Sanders?
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:31 AM
Tuesday

Is he too old? Whenever I see criticisms of lawmakers here for their age, I never see anyone mention Bernie.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,534 posts)
16. I don't recall Sanders say that Biden was too old and should step down
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:34 AM
Tuesday

Sanders supported Biden. My criticism is Schumer's hypocrisy, not his age.

murielm99

(32,535 posts)
17. I asked how YOU felt about Bernie.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:39 AM
Tuesday

He is old. Do you think he should retire right now because of his age? Few, if any DU members ever allow for any criticism over Bernie's age.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,534 posts)
21. Why SMDH?
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:13 AM
Tuesday

I made a comment about Schumer's hypocrisy and you tried to make it about Sanders age. I didn't even mention Sanders, you dragged him into this. Plus I don't live in Vermont, so it's really not up to me.

I answered as honestly as I could. Why do you have an issue with that?

murielm99

(32,535 posts)
24. Your post number 9 does not criticize Schumer over his age?
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:23 AM
Tuesday

Go back and take a look at it. I don't think your answer was honest at all. If Schumer's age can be mentioned, so can anyone's. Bernie is only one example. He is fair game.

I was angry when people started criticizing Biden over his age. I was horrified when people wanted him to step aside. I knew then that we should prepare for the current nightmare in the White House.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,534 posts)
25. No
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:30 AM
Tuesday
He'll be 78 in two years
and 84 at the end of that term. He thought Biden was too old to run again. Maybe he should take his own advice.


No it was about Schumer pushing Biden out because of age and his possibly running for re-election at a similar age which is hypocrisy on his part.

You're the one who chose to drag Sanders into it. If you want to discuss Sanders' age, go right ahead with someone else and leave me out of it. It is irrelevant to the point that I was making.

lapucelle

(20,915 posts)
36. Both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are older than Chuck Schumer.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 03:04 PM
Tuesday

Chuck Schumer turned 75 last week. He’ll be 77 in two years.

It’s Elizabeth Warren who will be 78 in two years (actually 1.5 years)

Bernie Sanders turned 78 back in 2019. In two years he’ll be 86.

Sanders has already filed papers to run for senate again in 2030. In 2030 Sanders will be 89.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,534 posts)
40. Irrelevant
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 05:14 PM
Tuesday

The issue is Schumer’s possible hypocrisy. He wanted Biden to step down because of his age. Will he apply the same standard to himself?

lapucelle

(20,915 posts)
43. Where did you read that Schumer wanted Biden to drop out because of his age? Do you have a source?
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:02 PM
Tuesday
Inside Schumer’s handling of Biden’s dropout decision

The Senate majority leader was being inundated with concerns from members of his caucus, people familiar with the situation tell POLITICO

Chuck Schumer was publicly repeating “I’m with Joe” until the end of Joe Biden’s reelection bid on Sunday.

But behind closed doors, the Senate majority leader was being inundated with concerns from members of his caucus, people familiar with the situation tell POLITICO. And he had a strategy to try and handle them.

Schumer wanted Democrats to present as a united front and handle their woes as a family discussion. And as Democrats face an intense run-up to the election, his actions in the past few weeks could show signs of how Schumer plans to guide his caucus going forward.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/07/21/joe-biden-drops-out-election/schumer-biden-harris-senate-democrats-dropped-out-00170183

lapucelle

(20,915 posts)
47. That's not a source for your claim. Your claim is that Schumer wanted Biden to step down because of his age.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:01 PM
Tuesday

Your source doesn't say that.



SocialDemocrat61

(6,534 posts)
48. You're obviously looking to pick an argument
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 08:14 PM
Tuesday

Please do it with someone else. I’m not interested.

But if it will make you happy, I’m completely wrong and you’re completely right.

mr715

(2,441 posts)
12. "It's the Times"
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:24 AM
Tuesday

I was confused by the noun. It could mean either the "times" as in the world in which we live, or the "Times" referring the the journal of record.

Then I saw the capitalization and my confusion was rectified.

Sad world. Sad Times. Sad times.

617Blue

(2,156 posts)
31. Mitchell, Reid, Daschle - he's a shell compared to those guys. He's not a war time consigliere.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:42 AM
Tuesday

Scubamatt

(242 posts)
35. I think you hit the nail . . .
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 12:13 PM
Tuesday

on the head. I don't question Schumer's commitment to the cause, but I do think he thinks its still the 1980s, when the Senate was a club and got things done over lunches, drinks and back room discussions. He and many others do not understand or appreciate: 1) the existential threat posed by the orange monster and the cadre of his supporters; AND 2) the way political discourse has shifted over the years to memes/social media flames and the ever present need for clicks. Most of the American public, who do not follow politics like folks on this board do, respond to who they perceive is "strong" and who projects "winning." The lamestream media reinforces this. Unfortunately, Schumer - haltingly reading from a prepared statement about how "outraged" he is at Trump's latest fascist move - doesn't cut it. There is a reason why Newsom, for example, is getting so much traction through his "in your face" posts. They are also good for the morale of the rank and file, a notion that DNC loyalists have zero appreciation of. The Trump Administration has declared war on our Republic. The Republicans are complicit quislings, and the media has been defanged. It's way past time for all Democrats to start talking and acting in ways that reflect exactly what is on the line.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,680 posts)
18. Good.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:41 AM
Tuesday

I hope their “club” grows, and Schumer either gets in line or steps aside for a stronger leader (like Murphy or Warren).

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

usonian

(22,758 posts)
26. Meanwhile, Chuck, in the real world ...
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:32 AM
Tuesday
1. The party is being led by Indivisible, not party officials partying.



2. Bernie Sanders and AOC have been touring the country, including deep red districts, to massive applause.



We dinosaurs, who lived through the Civil Rights movement, want fighters, want winners.

Scrivener7

(57,968 posts)
28. It's a national political party. There is no private.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:36 AM
Tuesday

None of us is going to be able to have a quiet chat with Chuck.

And it sounds like those who can do that have done that to no avail.

Walleye

(43,391 posts)
29. Maybe you are right but these kind of divisions in the party always benefit Republicans
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:37 AM
Tuesday

leftstreet

(38,549 posts)
30. Sometimes these "stories" are meant to motivate
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:39 AM
Tuesday

If you know people in your base are grumbling about something, make public an example of electeds grumbling about the same thing. It motivates people to think there's hope

jaymac

(140 posts)
33. Thank god
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 10:48 AM
Tuesday

it's about time. David Hogg was bounced from his job at the DNC because he started a worthy organization Leaders We Deserve, that pledged to primary representatives who were not striving to promote democratic wins.
it seems we have two wings of the democratic party, the corporate dems and the progressive dems. it's time for the corporate dems to step aside because they have not been listening to us, their constituents.

GaYellowDawg

(5,071 posts)
37. Good.
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 04:11 PM
Tuesday

I think we're all tired of milksop "leaders" who write "strongly written letters" and narrate poorly written speeches in a monotone.

lapucelle

(20,915 posts)
38. Here are OnTheIssues.org ideology infographics for all 7 senators listed: 5 "liberal" and 2 "establishment".
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 04:41 PM
Tuesday

One is an outlier; another is a semi-outlier. Both outliers are older than Schumer and both supported Fetterman in his primary.

Can you tell the rest apart? Do you think that the NYT scribe peddling a divisive narrative could?























fujiyamasan

(1,022 posts)
39. The issue with Schumer isn't ideological imo
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 04:50 PM
Tuesday

It’s that he’s been unable to come up with a coherent strategy over the last several months against Trump, and has given in at critical moments.

He’s not an effective leader.

lapucelle

(20,915 posts)
45. Actually, no I haven't missed the point. I read the NYT's anonymously sourced
Tue Nov 25, 2025, 07:36 PM
Tuesday

breathless narrative, most likely sourced from staffers pushing an agenda. Fight Club? Really?

This isn't news; it's gossip, custom-spun to "raise concerns" and divide Democrats.







MorbidButterflyTat

(3,994 posts)
49. So! What's the big "challenge"?
Wed Nov 26, 2025, 01:09 AM
Wednesday

"A group of liberal senators is quietly challenging the minority leader..."

"A group of influential liberal senators is directly challenging Senator Chuck Schumer’s approach..."

Quietly challenging, directly challenging...which is it?

"The coalition of at least half a dozen senators, who call themselves the “Fight Club,” is unhappy..."

"The mutinous mood of the senators..."

"The effort also amounts to an extraordinary pre-emptive challenge..."

This says absolutely NOTHING. What's the freaking challenge??



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