22,830 people were murdered in America in 2023. Who were the murderers?

[Tom Rinaldo]

The source for that figure is https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Available statistics show that those of us who got to remain here would be significantly less likely to be murdered in America if Trump deported 5 million U.S citizens rather than 5 million immigrants. Maybe that would be different if in fact Trump was actually prioritizing violent undocumented criminals for deportation, but the results are in. He's not.

Of course the attempted murder of two National Guard members in DC yesterday was horrific, and a tragedy by any standard. That can be said any time an innocent person is murdered (or severely wounded) in America In 2023 that could be said over twenty thousand times. But are immigrants disproportionately responsible for all those tragic deaths? No they are not. It's not even a close call.

I broke down and used Google's AI feature (since a search without it would have been daunting) to ask it the question: "How many murders in the U.S are committed by non American citizens?" Here is the reply I got (the text bolding is my own):

Precise national data on the total number of murders committed by non-American citizens is not systematically collected or published by federal agencies like the FBI. The FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) program collects data on the age, sex, and race of arrestees, but not their citizenship or immigration status.
However, available data and research from specific states and federal sources indicate the following:

Lower Crime Rates: Multiple academic and government studies consistently show that both legal and undocumented immigrants have lower homicide and total crime conviction/arrest rates than native-born U.S. citizens.

Texas Data as a Proxy: Texas is one of the few states that keeps detailed records on the immigration status of offenders.
For the period of 2012 to 2018, the homicide arrest rate for U.S.-born citizens was 4.8 per 100,000, while it was 1.9 per 100,000 for undocumented immigrants.

In 2022, undocumented immigrants made up about 7.1% of the Texas population and accounted for 67 (or 5%) of the 1,336 homicide convictions. Native-born Americans accounted for 90.5% of the convictions.

Federal Sentences: Non-U.S. citizens accounted for 34.7% of all individuals sentenced in the federal system in fiscal year 2024, but most of these cases were for immigration offenses (72.3%) and drug trafficking (17.6%).

Total Numbers vs. Rates: Claims of non-citizens committing thousands of murders per year are widely dismissed as implausible by experts due to low rates relative to the U.S.-born population.

In summary, while an exact national number is unavailable, the rate of homicides committed by non-citizens is lower than that of U.S.-born citizens

All kinds of people commit murder in America, but the vast majority of those who do are U.S. citizens. While there is no comprehensive data base I can refer you to, I strongly suspect more members of the U.S. clergy commit murder in America than Afghan refugees who were given asylum here. For the record, here is a story which documents a number of American clerical murderers in recent decades. But they just aren't the sort of people Trump likes to demagogue about:

Killer Clergy: Men of the Cloth Who Murdered Their Congregants
https://people.com/crime/killer-clergy-men-of-the-cloth-who-murdered-their-congregants/#:~:text=In%20the%201980s%2C%20the%20Southern%20Baptist%20pastor,left%20for%20dead%20his%20girlfriend%2C%20who%20survived.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. It's estimated that 1 out of 3 AI "research" queries comes up false. It wouldn't have been that arduous to do your own

Instead of handing it over to the plagiarism machine.

[drray23]

2. Most AI queries will also return links to the references they used.

You can then check that to make sure it's correct and whether or not those references are legit. It is like everything else, if you use it correctly, its a tool, if you do not you can get fooled.

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. I did try searching first. Why don't you try it if you are so confident it can be easily done?

Sure I've seen studies that can be located which show that undocumented individuals commit less crimes in general, Homicide isn't broken out specifically. I chose to publish the AI search result because it had very specific relevant data included from Texas which did not come up in my normal search. I would not have thought to specifically research records from Texas, would you?

I made sure to cite that the response was AI generated, so people can decide for themselves whether to give it any credence. I think I handled it responsibly. Sorry if you disagree.

[teach1st]

6. Here are some links that Gemini (Google AI) provided on an answer to the OP's question

Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

New Cato Research Shows That Illegal Immigrants Are Less Likely to Be Convicted of Murder in Texas
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-cato-research-shows-illegal-immigrants-are-less-likely-be-convicted-murder-texas

Immigrants Do Not Commit More Crimes in the US, Despite Fearmongering
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/immigrants-do-not-commit-more-crimes-in-the-us-despite-fearmongering/

I selected three links, but Gemini provided more. Gemini has nearly always been right-on with topics that I'm knowledgeable in (mostly education), but as with any search or research, checking sources is vital.

Here's another study that I've found using traditional search:

THE INCARCERATION GAP BETWEEN IMMIGRANTS AND THE US-BORN, 1870–2020
We provide the first nationally representative long-run series (1870–2020) of incarceration rates
for immigrants and the US-born. As a group, immigrants have had lower incarceration rates than
the US-born for 150 years. Moreover, relative to the US-born, immigrants’ incarceration rates
have declined since 1960: immigrants today are 60% less likely to be incarcerated (30% relative
to US-born whites). This relative decline occurred among immigrants from all regions and cannot
be explained by changes in immigrants’ observable characteristics or immigration policy. Instead,
the decline is part of a broader divergence of outcomes between less-educated immigrants and
their US-born counterparts.

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31440/w31440.pdf

[Bayard]

4. But trump still claims they are only deporting hardened criminals

The worst of the worst, even though most have no criminal records, especially the young children.

[kellytore]

5. The problem is we make it too easy for anyone to have a firearm.