Something just feels.. off...about the shooting of the National Guardsmen in DC

[Jilly_in_VA]

While the suspect did enter the US under Biden, he was given an asylum parole under Shitler. This almost feels like a false flag and an excuse for Shitler to ramp up up the military in DC and possibly declare martial law. It just stinks of fish somehow....

[RandySF]

1. Did I read correctly that he drove across the country?

Why?

[SCantiGOP]

22. To get to the other side.

🙄

[Sector 001]

23. He also worked for the CIA.

[LymphocyteLover]

71. duh duh DUNH!

but seriously that is a red flag

[AdamGG]

107. Paging - Lee Harvey Oswald... n/t

[mainer]

83. It's strangely purposeful

If he wanted to mount an act of terrorism, why not kill a soldier closer to home? Or attack a church? Or go after a local National Guard base? It's almost as if he was sent on assignment. So yes, I also think it's strange. I'm just hoping he lives long enough to testify in court.

[Kid Berwyn]

108. Like the man who left San Francisco to shoot up the NFL in Manhattan.

Supposedly bent on revenge over his own chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), the man went in the wrong door in New York and started shooting, killing people who had nothing to do with the NFL or his problems.

I, too, notice the stink. Somebody, somewhere is radicalizing people to the point of making them into murderers.

[BidenRocks]

116. The football player earlier this year drove to New York,

Shot up the wrong office, killing people and then suicide.

He had CTE and left a note.

I believe this shooter suffered PTSD from his time working for America in the Stan.

[NewHendoLib]

2. A form of wag the dog. I trust nothing these days.

[TBF]

3. It's coming out - he's a CIA operative

I would not be surprised if it's a false flag, Trump will do anything to keep the attention away from Epstein.

[Irish_Dem]

30. CIA operative, shot right after the murder.

We have seen this movie before.

[eppur_se_muova]

89. Didn't die immediately. Sloppy work.

So hard to find good wet workers these days.

[Irish_Dem]

106. Where's Jack Ruby when you need him?

[Upjumpdadebil]

97. Anything to detract from thankfulness ...

Felonious has engineered distrust even in the most forgiving

"1984" has long surpassed imagination

"I can't do that , Dave".

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

4. He could have been egged on by a Trump operative on the internet.

[WarGamer]

5. And the teleprompter chipped and sent debris flying!!!

[markodochartaigh]

9. This still has me puzzled.

Either his ear was clipped by a bullet or a bit of teleprompter glass, or they had a plan ready to simulate a wound, probably with fake blood.

If his ear was clipped there should be a scar. The only thing I can think of to contradict this is if he is on an anticoagulant and bled a lot from a tiny scrape. In this case it is stunning how close he came to be to being assassinated.

If they had a plan ready then they must have known that there would be a shooter. It just doesn't seem possible to me that they would allow anyone to point a gun so close to Trump. And the other guy was killed, there was obviously an actual bullet.

[WarGamer]

14. Occam's Razor.

A bullet made contact with the ear literally a couple millimeters deep... lots of blood and healed better than a nick with a personal razor in the restroom.

[ZZenith]

34. You sure try hard.

No question of that.

[markodochartaigh]

51. Maybe.

The US is an incredibly lucky country. Maybe, by only a couple of inches, we were spared a fate worse than Trump.

Any way you cut it, it seems odd.

[returnee]

79. Ears are very vascular.

As is the face in general.
What I find most auspicious is no photos of the wound. No interview with the doctor who treated.

[Shipwack]

94. Not a bullet... Shrapnel or self mutilation yes, bullet no.

A tumbling bullet with that much force would take off a very visible portion of his ear, even if it was a nick.

I think our barber would say a piece of secondary shrapnel is more likely.

I still doubt it was planned, given this Administration’s incompetence and how badly it leaks. I do admit that there’s a lot of odd things about this, explained extensively elsewhere. And he did hang around the pro-wrestling community a bit, where there are often staged wounds…

[Shipwack]

93. I agree in general, but...

From my experience any head wound bleeds a lot. They always look scarier than they actually are.

I buy that a bit of shrapnel clipped his ear. The would would stop bleeding fairly quickly.

One Counter argument is that no wound is currently seen… But has there actually been any close up photos of that ear? Not talking about blown up images. All the ones I have seen as “proof” of no injury are too grainy to be useful. I think, though, if there was a scar or visible wound, he’d be constantly parading it to show how tough he was. He’d talk about how Seal Generals with tears in their eyes, natch’) would come up to him and say,”Sir, sir, how did you manage to survive such a horrendous shot to the head? It’s a miracle!”. Then he’d talk about having good genes and shit…

We also have never seen an official medical report…

[markodochartaigh]

95. One other thing.

In Revelations it says that the antichrist will have a head wound. Maybe Trump's evangelical supporters told him not to show his wound since it might be construed as the type of wound that the antichrist was predicted to have.

There is just a lot to consider here.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

10. He must truly be the MAGAt Savior! 😮

His completely intact, scarless ear proves it!!

Along with the physicians' reports and gunman identity disclosures!!

Amen.

[William Gustafson]

60. Don't forget the perfect MRI.. the best any doctor has seen.... ever...

He scored a 100% on his MRI of some part of his body, he doesn't know which part, but he scored a 100% score...

[BonnieJW]

74. Maybe it was 100% bad

Maybe it was on his head and nothing was there

[ForgedCrank]

53. It really

is getting disappointing. National Enquirer level stuff.
I cannot wait until Trump is gone so we can get back to policy in politics and drop this gossiping tabloid level bullcrap. It's making us all look silly

[Fiendish Thingy]

6. Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility

Do.The.Math.

I haven’t seen any evidence, not even his connections to the CIA/military intelligence, that would suggest the shooter is a patsy willing to sacrifice his life to further some nefarious plot by the Trump administration.

[GCG]

81. Well

If his wife and children were threatened, what do you think he would do? What's the worst threat that would motivate an Afghan who worked with the CIA? Something along the lines of "we'll send your family back to Afghanistan"!

I agree with you on the whole nationwide martial law idea. The US military doesn't have the personnel to conduct an operation that large...there are as of March 2025 a total of 2.08 million active duty and reserve personnel, with 165,830 to 172,000 stationed overseas.

[Jilly_in_VA]

7. Do you really think it is?

Why? I think it's entirely possible that he would at least try it. Of course it would likely end up in a civil wark but he doesn't really care.

[markodochartaigh]

8. I think that a false flag operation

requires a devious, undercover plan for a specific action, probably by a specific person.

I think that what happened in DC was just the result of Trump putting the National Guard in an area and ramping the pressure up, particularly on immigrants. Like what he has done in LA, Chicago, etc. The other locations didn't pan out for him.

I think that the only people who can't correctly attribute this shooting to Trump putting the National Guard in a situation in which they have no business and to Trump terrorizing immigrant communities to an almost unprecedented level are the complicit national news and Republicans.

[Silent Type]

11. Think it is exactly how it appears. Someone who entered 4 years ago, went nuts and shot innocent people. We don't know

why right now, may never know.

Murders and assualts happen in big cities and rural areas daily. Sometimes it's a Klan sympathizer or similar, other times it's someone looking for their 15 minutes.

[Emile]

12. No matter what, Trump needlessly put the nat. guard in harms way.

[marble falls]

13. He was also a CIA asset and he had a fear of being deported to Afganistan. ...

... (disclosure): I am married to a 30 year veteran of CIA. Her war stories beat mine to hell. She had several postings in Africa, was in Taiwan, Thailand, Laos, and Paris.

[allegorical oracle]

20. Agree. He feared being sent back to Afghanistan -- where he would certainly have

been killed. As immigration was ratcheted up, it's possible that he grew more desperate and made a horrible decision in a location near the White House. There's a lot about this incident that doesn't make total sense, though. It's tragic all the way around, caused by one selfish, lying, old man.

[hadEnuf]

25. Then he went after the wrong targets then.

Those two NG people have nothing to do with his possible worries.

Perhaps just the symbolism of their uniforms or something? Or perhaps a form of PTSD, being in that bloodbath called Afghanistan and all.

[marble falls]

35. The thought that the country he worked for and recieved promises from is now sending him without any process ...

... at any time to Afghanistan would make most of us do something desperate, like commit a crime that would keep him in prison in the US vs walking to his death off an airport tarmac in Afghanistan.

There's way too many questions here to jump to any conclusion.

[marble falls]

32. A lot of things don't really seem to add up to me either.

[popsdenver]

76. Agreed

things haven't added up on ANY of the shootings so far............starting with the first one at a rally, the golf course "hyped" bull shit, then the RW nut getting assassinated, and now this....Precious little information disclosed by the RepubliCONs about ANY of these incidents, have you noticed that???????

I am sure that the reason is, that they don't want to disclose that all of them were done by Right Leaning individuals.
Without information, it is massively easier to blame it on Dems........

But they keep happening, to instigate something that they will be able to use to ignore the Posse Comatatus Act, and enable them to enact the Insurrection Act to put the country under martial law to pull off their "coup" and control the entire country.......

The economy is going downhill already, but just wait until after this holiday season when things really kick into high gear. The citizens are really gonna be hurting financially....big time.

I fear the RepubliCONs are getting impatient, along with 2025, Stephen Miller, Russell Vought, AND Putin.......and I worry about us getting through Christmas and the New Year without a grand slam.......their Coup de Gras would be crashing the stock and investment market, pulling the rug out of everyone's retirement, SSI, Public assistance programs, etc etc etc. A repeat of the Robber Barrons from the Gilded Age, the great depression, Hoovervilles, etc etc Just for fun....re-read Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath for a day by day accounting of what it was like for a family during the great depression. And a new depression is shaping up that will surpass the one in the late 20's........
The time for "Katie Bar The Door" is long past, and should have taken place when HWBush & Company, committed fraud AND treason to install Reagan in the White House...and then 2000 election, then 2004 election, and then the 2016 election plus the 2024 election.......
The Dems were all walking down the jungle path, swatting at mosquitoes and were oblivious to the her of charging elephants......pun intended..........
And they didn't shoot themselves in the foot, when the group of them voted with the Republicans to end the budget stalemate, they shot themselves in the head......in spite of the Dem voters repeatedly warning them that the Repubs, once again, would not keep their word......which is more than obvious now, that the RepubliCONs had NO intention of keeping their word on ANY concession to the dems....

[Bluestocking]

77. Perhaps his target was Trump

But things didn’t go as planned

[BattleRow]

100. Manchurian Candidate?

[Arazi]

15. I think we'll find a link with the renewed vetting Afghans were going to face

Announced on the Monday before this guy shot the National Guard.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/11/25/trump-administration-to-retroactively-vet-refugees-already-resettled-in-us

[Buzz cook]

16. Don't Charlie Kirk this.

Tons of people jumped on the Kirk's shooter was a right winger from a rival group. They were wrong. I was one of them.
I'd suggest we wait till more information is out.

[JI7]

18. He shoutec alahuakbar so he was an Islamic extremist

which makes him right wing.

[Kaleva]

33. Islamic extremists despise secular right wingers

People like the Shah, Assad, Mubarak, Hussein, Gaddafi were their enemies

[marble falls]

37. That expression is the equvilent of a Christian calling on G*D for strength. Would anyone doing that make them ...

... a Christian extremist?

Millions of Muslims the world over use that expression daily. Are they all "extremists?

[MichMan]

42. Are they murdering someone as they are saying it?

[JI7]

44. If they say it while killing people yes they are extremists

[marble falls]

49. Please. Are you ex military? Are military chaplins extremeists? Is praying for strength before a battle ...

... the act of extremists? Was my grandfather praying for help with his aim during the Battle of the Bulge and act of an extremist?

Praying in itself is not extremist, whatever extreme action the petitioner is involved with.

There's just not enough evidence to consider either judgement or a lynching. I choose to let a jury decide. I wish some here would take their coil of rope and return it to the garage until at justice is done.

[JI7]

50. This wasn't some battle. The guy drove a long way to go there and shot people that weren't a threat to him.

[marble falls]

78. It most certainly is a battle. What TACO is causing to happen to him and his, he can do to you and me. I'm not ...

... not sitting still for it. At what point of desperation do we do desperate things, too?

[JI7]

112. You are making excuses for a killer.

He was given asylum. There are many others not given asylum and even deported and they didn't kill innocent people.

[spooky3]

46. Where have you seen that reported? Nt

[MorbidButterflyTat]

47. Good question

Who witnessed this, and who reported it?

I've read this claim here several times, with no source cited.

[Orrex]

67. Wait, Kirk's shooter *wasn't* a right winger?

[EdmondDantes_]

85. The available evidence says the Kirk shooter was motivated by LGBTQ issues

Doesn't seem like he was right wing. Just because his family is, doesn't mean he is.

[underpants]

101. Yes he was. He's a Groyper.

[EdmondDantes_]

115. There's no public evidence to that effect

And given his relationship with a trans person, that doesn't reconcile with being associated with a homophobic group. Likewise Robinson talking about there's too much hate doesn't reconcile with Fuentes.

Just because Fuentes hated Kirk doesn't mean everyone who hated Kirk was with Fuentes.

The groyper thing never amounted to more than speculation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-shooter-groyper/684244/

[underpants]

103. Yes he was. He's a Groyper.

[Orrex]

114. That was my understanding. In fact...

the only (other) people I've seen claim that he wasn't a reichwinger are reichwingers.

[EdmondDantes_]

117. Please cite evidence for the claim

I cited the Atlantic, hardly a right-wing publication. And no random people on Twitter or Bluesky with conspiracy theories don't count as citations. Conspiracy theories without proof are a dime a dozen.

[underpants]

104. You weren't wrong. Robinson was a Groyper.

[NBachers]

17. I think *rump is ramping up the pressure everywhere he can in hopes that something blows and he can clamp down more.

[mb40]

19. Did he have family that was also given asylum?

Were they being threatened? Perhaps he did what he was told to save them. I wouldn't put anything past this administration. There really isn't much motive to drive across the country and conduct what is essentially a suicide mission, after being given asylum.

[marble falls]

39. Good questions to ask before some here would hang him without trial.

[SCantiGOP]

21. "Paranoia strikes deep"

Into your life it will creep.

[Blumancru]

24. Agent provocateur?

Another Reichstag fire/Gulf of Tonkin incident?

[Botany]

26. He was CIA?

Smell test time?



Just how deep and how wide does the corruption go?
And where were the people who were around and supporting “operation miracle ear” in
Pennsylvania in last year.

[BeyondGeography]

27. If so, he couldn't have come up with a dumber pretext

Ramp up NG forces in DC to protect the town from people who drive 2,800 miles to make a statement?

[50 Shades Of Blue]

28. Once you've seen The Manchurian Candidate...

[Sequoia]

118. The original of course

Excellent actors for sure.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

119. Absolutely!

[bucolic_frolic]

29. The somehow is it ticked off all the boxes

A perfect fit for their ideal terrorist. Right down to the words he uttered. Too smooth.

[iemanja]

31. Everything is a conspiracy

What a colossal bore it is.

[marble falls]

40. Worse. A waste of time and pure distraction, what magicians call "misdirection".

[Mad_Machine76]

55. While there may be perfectly logical rational explanations for everything that we've witnessed with Trump

I still think it's fair to say that there are a lot of just really weird things that happen around Trump and his people and his constant lack of transparency and politicization (and likely distraction attempts) of things simply exacerbates these things. Simply trying to brush them all off doesn't help anybody IMHO. We're not part of a cult. We don't (and shouldn't) just willy nilly accept things as they are presented to us by Trump and his people and/or even the media. That does NOT make us akin to Qanon conspiracy theorist junkies.

[iemanja]

56. This is America

There is nothing weird or unusual about murder with guns. More people have been shot today than we’ll ever notice. One case happens to be on the news.

[Mad_Machine76]

57. This is not simply about guns though

This involves guns, a specific target (National Guard Troops unlawfully ordered stationed in a major American city), and a response by a President seeking unlimted power to send MORE troops into said city in response. There is nothing normal or everyday about this situation IMHO

[iemanja]

58. Trump is an opportunist

That surprises you?

[Mad_Machine76]

59. No

not at all. Which is exactly why all of this seems not on the level

[iemanja]

65. When anything happens in the world

That isn’t called a conspiracy here, then I’ll be shocked.

[Captain Zero]

61. Indiana National Guard to DC -- soon, 800 I think

Saw it on local Indianapolis station this morning.
I think it was planned for early December.

I always thought it odd the Indiana Guard never went to Chicago but then I assumed maybeee it was because too many of them were from what is called Duh Region in Indiana, the counties in Indiana closest to Chicago.

[uponit7771]

64. People who protect pedophiles don't get thr benefit of the doubt for anything

[Midwestern Democrat]

105. Agreed. If this was a "false flag" operation, why the hell would they do it the day before the Thanksgiving weekend -

one of the deadest/least watched media periods of the year?

[JoseBalow]

36. Like moths to a flame

[Aussie105]

38. I'm waiting patiently for more info on this.

If that ever happens.

Speculation never achieves anything.

All I know is Trump now has an excuse to send in more troops.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

48. Since when did he need an excuse?

[griloco]

43. There is clearly no reason to

increase the National Guard in DC.
As for motive, his could be similar to this Afghani's who lost it in a traffic stop in April 2025.
It's one of the unintended consequences of starting wars.

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[avebury]

45. Maybe it is a distraction

from Epstein. Things are so crazy these days it is hard to know what is really going on.

[ForgedCrank]

52. Maybe we

should get off of the soap opera thing in politics. This crap does nothing for us.
This guy came in under President Biden. Why? Because he was a trusted individual who was cooperating with the US in Afghanistan, and there was no reason to distrust him. That's the same reason his asylum request was granted.
What he did after that is on him. He's a murdering piece of garbage. Who radicalized him? We need to find them as well.
But for cryin out loud, Donald Trump didn't approve his asylum, the system did because there was no reason to deny him until yesterday.

[Bread and Circuses]

54. Not a coincidence that he's CIA affiliated ....

Seems odd. I wonder if they told him to do this ‘job’ and they make sure his family his safe.

This was planned as a wag the dog. Happens in Thanksgiving to dominate the news cycle.
Now, they will go after immigrants with valid documents and toss them to the sharks.

And of course, more military in our streets.

I just want all Republican voters and republicans politicians to disappear. You’re NOT NORMAL !

[SaydiTom]

62. occurred right after federal judge said Guard had to leave DC - but days before her order took effect.

What are the chances, this would happen in that small window of time? Providing an excuse to steamroll the judge and just ignore her order.

[uponit7771]

63. You have a healthy mis trust of a convict protector of pedophiles who got sued for running a fake college

[Boo1]

66. We live in the United States

and it has to be a conspiracy when somebody shoots somebody else?

This administration can't even get an indictment right and we think they are capable of a massive conspiracy to declare marshal law, and actually do it?

No chance.

[DFW]

68. I'm no fan of conspiracy theories

But this was EXTREMELY convenient for Noem, Bondi and Trump. Just what the spin doctor ordered, and collateral damage was never a great concern of theirs.

[GreenWave]

69. How quickly RW "media" declared two dead and many gobbled that up, including here.

Sadly one probably will die* but it wasn't true at the time and Fox should face severe scrutiny for it.

*Has since died

[Richluu]

70. Plus the shooter was from out of state

Not a D.C. person at all.

[mdbl]

72. From the movie Sneakers: "You won't know who to trust"

That should be our motto in the U.S.

[Paladin]

73. Here's hoping we learn the whole story on this tragic incident.

As you say, something really stinks about it.

[mainer]

75. I'm waiting for the news he mysteriously died in custody

I'm surprised they let him live.

[Condescenturion]

80. Without Question It is a False Flag

And the process is identical everytime. I encourage everyone here to tune into Greg Stoker and the Colonial Outcasts on your favorite social media outlet. He is correct all the time and has been since he started. And he reminds me of what Democrats used to stand for. Fair warning, thar be bitter pills ahead.

[flashman13]

82. Let's not forget the withdrawal was Trump's deal.

He was the great negotiator that invited the Taliban to Camp David to sell out the Afghans. So much for the art of the deal.

Biden got stuck with the blowback.

[MichMan]

84. How do we know there was ever a shooting at all?

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What if the entire thing was just made up?

[Jilly_in_VA]

88. Uh, one of them DIED

Sarah Beckstrom, who hadn't been a member for very long. And not because Shitler says she did; I heard the announcement first from her FATHER.

[Kingofalldems]

98. Not even a good attempt there.

[MichMan]

99. If the Trump assassination was staged like many say, why not?

150 recs so far on the OP

[Martin68]

86. It doesn't seem off to me. Makes perfect sense that an Afghan became disillusioned with the US military and intelligence

services after experiencing first hand the crimes they commit.

[onlyadream]

87. Been watching this channel since the Kirk assignation

The guy seemed to have started off as MAGA, but now loathes the current admin.

?si=Xd4NXMCcgx7UmVBb

[BadGimp]

90. I know right?!

The is hidden somewhere in there.

[AncientOfDays]

91. Gotta wonder

Why would he shoot 2 random Guard people?

Looks to me like the only thing that does is give tRump an excuse to put more military units on the street.

[czarjak]

92. Staged.

Period!

[BadGimp]

96. He drove all the way accross the US!

The man suspected of shooting two West Virginia National Guard members in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday drove across the country from his home in Washington state with plans to carry out the attack, officials said at a press conference Thursday morning.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5624761-cia-afghanistan-shooter-washington/

[The Madcap]

102. Was there a bigger target for this guy?

And the two guardsmen just happened to get in the way. Why else would someone travel all the way across the country? It doesn't add up.

[AdamGG]

109. In 2023, 136 police officers were killed in the line of duty in the US

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+many+police+officers+are+killed+in+the+line+of+duty+in+the+us+each+year

In 2024, it was 107. So, forgetting what seems suspect/staged about this particular shooter, if you're going to unconstitutionally deploy the military as law enforcement in multiple cities, some of them may end up being shot.

That's not some kind of extraordinary act that requires commentary and extralegal action by the president, it's business as usual in America with a population that's highly armed, poorly educated, with severe economic disparities, and inadequate mental health and medical care.

[tulipsandroses]

110. I've had my tin foil hat on this year. A number of "incidents" have made me go Hmmmmm.....

From Noem's bag being stolen to Big Balls being attacked and a number of other incidents.
Maybe I am just overthinking things, but it sure seems like these incidents further what they want to do anyway.
I will say this, I think people are being radicalized online. In ways that they may not even recognize.
For instance, on Youtube, I watch mostly cooking videos and home decor videos. When it comes to politics, I watch Don Lemon, Joy Reid, The Bulwark, etc.
Yet I get bombarded with RW leaning content suggestions and ads. I also have noticed subtle religious ads showing up in the algorithm. I am not religious. This tells me that someone is effing with the algorithm. I am getting a bunch of David the religious cartoon ads. One can see how people slowly get sucked into extremism without them even realizing it.
I think these tech billionaires are messing with us.

[soldierant]

111. Malcolm Nance has thoughts.

https://substack.com/inbox/post/180182992

[orangecrush]

113. Skip the CT

Honor the dead.

This dies NOT help us.

(Paraphrasing Malcolm Nance)