Since the Atlanta Braves are again using their 'screaming savage' logo, I've created one of my own..

[wyldwolf]

Introducing the Georgia Caucasians, MLB's newest team with a stereotype for a logo!




Story: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/screaming-savage-makes-return-braves-batting-practice-caps-152538767--mlb.html

[yellerpup]

1. I'd rec this x1M if I could.

[n2doc]

2. If there is Karma the Braves will finish last in the NL.

I do think the cap the guy is wearing should be a confederate flag cap, though...

[lastlib]

11. ..at least his belt buckle...

He needs a good assault rifle, too. And a couple pistols on his belt.

[Left Coast2020]

41. Should Be GOP Logo

[itsrobert]

3. I actually think some rednecks might like this

believe it or not.

[NCTraveler]

32. I'm one. Doesn't bother me a bit. nt.

[Roy Rolling]

4. Not scary enough

Maybe if he had a gun? That would be one scary caucasian.

[spanone]

5. too many teeth.

[hfojvt]

6. the fighting irish would like a word with you

Being 1/4 Irish, I am not bothered by THAT.

[Fumesucker]

7. Hey, I don't smoke

And I don't like hats or beer.

[roguevalley]

51. fumesucker, what is that in your image space? :D

[hunter]

60. Kid in front row waiving his arm and saying "I KNOW! I KNOW!"

As the question was not addressed to me, I'll put my hand down, shut up, and leave the question for fumesucker.

But here's a hint.

[roguevalley]

62. ah. :D this old teacher gives you an A. :D

[Remmah2]

8. That post is offensive.

Please take the dog off.

[marble falls]

9. So what? Why is the logo of the Brave synonymous with 'screaming savage'? Isn't 'noble warrior' or..

'savvy warrior' more likely? If you'all want to use that scrawny little white guy for your team, go for it. Heck, you can use my likeness as a mascott - Nebraska already does: 'Herbie Husker' and the team used to be called the Bug Eaters. Wonder who they offended at that time. Notre Dame has the Irishmen - what's that supposed to conjure? Or the Brewers? How about the Vikings - berserkers, maybe? Or the New York Yankees? Or the Patriots? What do you make of the Toledo Mud Hens? The NAU Lumberjacks, the BSC Young Boys, who actually play at Wankdorf Stadium? Or the Japanese team called the SantaClaus? Do we declare war or what. Yuma City Criminals - when they steal a base, they actually steal the base! Or the Laurel Hill Hoboes - they hit you up for a handout. Or the Hoopston Area Cornjerkers. Get over it.

[MADem]

17. You didn't bother to click on the doggone link, did you? That's the name of the offensive logo.

Here, let me spoon feed you:

The most newsworthy revelation in the whole crop, however, is that the Atlanta Braves' batting practice cap features the return of the "screaming savage" that served as part of the Atlanta's logo from 1967 to 1989. The mohawked image first made an appearance in 1954 during the Braves' Milwaukee days.
The re-emergence of the questionable logo is surprising given that the Cleveland Indians have been distancing themselves from Chief Wahoo in recent years. (This year's Indians BP cap features the increasingly familiar block 'C'.) Even the Braves have landed on the right side of sensitivity, replacing an offensive savage patch on the throwback jerseys the team introduced in 2012.

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/R496mNv54yzz3pVuw6l10Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/

[marble falls]

23. I think he celebrating victory and joy in competition, but he just may be laughing at the high ....

dudgeon people have assumed.

[curlyred]

26. Savages is a term native americans find offensive

End of story. I am not sure why that is difficult to understand.

[MADem]

27. +1 nt

[marble falls]

29. The folks using the word savages are the ones most offended by the word. Atlanta hasn't used it....

Have a wonderful new year, bless all of us each and every single one of us all and I hope we can focus this much concern at the voting in two year to give the President the House of Reps he needs to do our business.

[roguevalley]

54. Marble Falls, this is an important issue to a lot of people including people

in my family. Dismissing it and turning around to something else is awful. Ask a Native American how they feel about squaw. Then duck fast.

[marble falls]

63. My oldest niece got her nursing degree paid for by the Cherokee nation. Because between ....

her dad's grandfather and grandmother (my grandparent's also), she qualified as a tribal member. There's a long list of slurs I will not use. I do appreciate the tone of your post towards me. Thank-you very much. Its refreshing and much needed on this forum.

Racism is something that we need to talk about in this country. I've lived on two reservations, the Winnebago in Nebraska and the Salt River in Arizona. I also worked on the Navaho Reservation in Page Arizona. And a very close friend of mine here in Texas is a Rose Bud Sioux. I think I have standing in the conversation and insight.

[roguevalley]

68. I agree. What has happened to our native peoples is a stain on our national honor that

won't ever go.

We have relatives who are Klamath, Walla Walla, Eskimo and Cherokee. There are others but the fam lives to be 100+ and I forgot. Mom and dad lived on the Hoopah reservation back in the day when it was the wild west out there. The stories were hilarious. Wild pigs running around, mice nests landing on your head in the house.

Tone is everything here but some forget unfortunately. Hugs and a great new year, my friend.

[loyalsister]

39. Why would anyone object to being called uncivilized?

If that's fair game, wouldn't it be proper to add "murderous" to Patriots?

[roguevalley]

53. then again as all my Native American relatives point out to me, making a human

being a mascot is fucked. Using human beings as mascots is fucked.

[Heywood J]

75. Like Bernie Brewer going down the slide after a home run? (NT)

[Iggo]

67. Quick! Define dudgeon.

[MADem]

74. Which people? These people, maybe?

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/article/really-atlanta-braves-bring-back-screaming-savage-logo-146598

I'd say they have standing to complain. And that's what they are doing. I wouldn't call their objections "high dudgeon" and to do so is insensitive in the extreme.

[BarackTheVote]

37. I know nothing of Baseball in general or the Braves in specific but

when one puts a non-capitalized phrase inside quotation marks like that, it generally means the author is either using a colloquialism or is coining a phrase for ironic purposes that they want to make clear to the reader represents a view the author doesn't personally hold. In either case, the "screaming savage" doesn't look like a proper name to me, and the way it's written certainly doesn't make me think that's the OFFICIAL name. In any case, the logo's not even a caricature.

[MADem]

38. Read the link--it's the name of the logo. It is as "official" as "official" gets--and it is

offensive. It is the "known name" of that particular logo.

Even Fauxsnooze is covering this story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20437414/report-braves-to-bring-back-screaming-savage-logo

Report: Braves to bring back 'Screaming Savage' logo on hats

[dflprincess]

56. At the time Notre Dame adopted the "Fighting Irish" nickname the majority of the staff and student

body were Irish or of Irish descent. Irish gave themselves that nickname.

I will guarantee you that, if the Swedish Institute or the Sons of Norway serously objected to the the "Vikings" nickname it would get changed faster than you can say it. Several years ago the state lottery was running a TV commercial with someone using a fractured Scandinavian accent and some group of Scandinavians objected and the ad was immediately taken off the air.

[fishwax]

65. none of your examples are remotely similar

I suppose the Fighting Irish (not Irishmen) comes closest. There are a variety of stories as to how that nickname was chosen, but most involve some degree of agency among people with Irish backgrounds associated with the team and/or university (either as players or as administrators). If someone who was Irish happened to be offended at the fighting leprechaun logo, I certainly wouldn't mock them for it. The Vikings is also, perhaps, close, but that name was chosen to reflect the state's status as a center for Scandinavian culture in the United States (and has been overwhelmingly embraced, afaik, by the community there). None of the other examples make any remote sense as analogies to the Braves moniker, let alone the racist stereotype they've decided to bring back into action as a logo.

[blueamy66]

72. What is wrong with the Lumberjacks?

And, isn't is Yuma High, formerly Yuma Union High? And, do you know why Yuma adopted the name "Criminals"?

[Panasonic]

10. No meth lab trailer in the background?

The teeth are too good. Needs to be misshapen and face more pockmarked.

[ieoeja]

12. I've been seeing this one in stores lately.

[MADem]

13. I always found the "Fightin' Whities" hilarious, myself.

It was a well-deserved "backatcha" for years of native peoples' mockery.



University of Northern Colorado
Fighting Whities intramural
basketball team

Read all about 'em: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites

Why don't they just change the name to the "Atlanta Bravehearts" and paint their faces blue and play the game in kilts? I think it would increase their gate take enormously!

[ellisonz]

14. Bahahaha

[byeya]

15. Because of the NY ownership of the long ago Boston Beaneaters/Pilgrims/Doves, the team was nicknamed

The Braves after New York's Tammany Hall whose members often referred to themselves as "braves". From that, the American Indian logo evolved and became offensive and should be stricken.
Similarly, the Cleveland Indians, after being the Cleveland Naps, after their player/manager Napolean Lajoie was named The Indians after one particular Indian, Lou Sockalexis, a very popular Cleveland player who was a Penobscot Indian. From this, the horrid Chief Wahoo evolved which, I think, should also be banned.

[lillypaddle]

16. We shouldn't stereotype Native Americans

but we can stereotype Georgians?

[MADem]

19. I think the overarching point is that NO ONE should be stereotyped.

The idea behind the image is to taunt those white people who are being obtuse so they feel objectified and insulted, and perhaps can relate to the level of offense native people experience when they see that insulting logo.

[LeftyMom]

21. I must have missed the genocide of non-indigenous Georgians.

[lillypaddle]

40. Give me a break

I'm NOT for stereotyping anybody. I'm all for a new mascot for Atlanta. I just don't think it's helpful to stereotype everyone from Georgia or the south as a dumb hick.

[marble falls]

24. how about "The Fighting Stereotypes"? The mascot would be a person in a mylar body suit and hood.

[XemaSab]

47. Slap a "Raiders" cap on that guy

and he could represent half the white people in Northern California.

[LeftyMom]

52. He'd need more tattoos.

[XemaSab]

69. Like a Confederate flag

on a guy who's never been further south than Bakersfield and further east than Reno?

[benld74]

18. Better watch the use of the MLB logo,,, they may find out,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Peaceful Protester]

20. RE: Patriots (post #9)

Insensitive like 'the New England Patriots'?

Not so much. But, if the New England Patriots had lost their country/freedoms/resources to the King in the Revolutionary War, had continued to remain British Subjects throughout the years and had continued to pay taxes to the King/Monarch/British Empire while also paying Federal and State taxes. Well, then some people might be a bit sensitive about that.

(Read More from another perspective: Indian Country Today)
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[LeftyMom]

22. When Braves fans start whooping like Scott Brown staffers,

I think General Sherman had the right idea about Atlanta.

[cordelia]

42. Stay classy.

[LeftyMom]

49. The Braves had a classy fan once.

But he grew up and now he catches for the Giants.

[cordelia]

64. I was referencing your remark about General Sherman having the "right idea" about Atlanta.

[LeftyMom]

66. Yep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stone_Mountain_Carving_2.jpg Lovely place.

[dreamnightwind]

71. Oh, snap!

Posey is indeed a class act, and a personal favorite.

Hey, anyone else remember seeing Jane Fonda having to bite her teeth and do the Braves' ridiculous tomahawk chop standing next to Ted Turner? I felt so sorry for her.

[marble falls]

25. How about the Hyde Park Rollin' FDRs?

[MADem]

28. If the team were a wheelchair basketball team, "Rollin' Roosevelts" would do.

But see, that's a point of pride, there--what's "insulting" about overcoming from a wheelchair and honoring a role model while so doing?

You're either not getting--or deliberately not taking--the point being made, here... not sure why, but it's odd.

[marble falls]

34. Are you kidding me. I see no insult at all. With any of it. Are there folks who really believe the..

Atlanta Braves are marketing to catch the niche of anti-native American bigots????????????? My point is that no racial/cultural/gender/national/religous slur was meant, any outrage is assumed. When I see a racist mascot, I will scream bloody blue murder.

In the meantime two wars and a third brewing, a coming prison/plantation slave system exploiting mainly an African/American population, a regressive tax system, manipulated markets and banking system, more families evicted from homes over the gaming of the system by profiteers who are free and largely running up to some other scam, billions of dollars in corporate welfare and tax breaks ........................

[MADem]

36. You lack the ability to see the obvious, then.

No one is suggesting that the Atlanta Braves are "marketing to catch a niche"--what people are saying is that they are using "tradition" as an excuse to indulge in bigotry, and people are NOTICING it.

It doesn't matter if the offense was "meant"--if it offends people, and they say so, repeatedly, vocally, with demonstrations and newspaper articles and appearances on television, the smart money says "Cut that shit out."

This is a tone deaf expression by Atlanta. It was stupid, and it was wrong. It's also going over like a lead balloon:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1459187-breaking-down-new-atlanta-braves-screaming-savage-2013-practice-caps

Perhaps the Braves love bad publicity, incorrectly hoping that the common saying "There is no such thing as bad publicity" applies to sports teams. It doesn't.

Maybe somebody in the team's marketing department incorrectly surmised that the city of Atlanta loves stereotypical depictions of entire races of people.

Perhaps ownership was sick and tired of the Washington Redskins and their culturally insensitive name remaining the most offensive rendition of Native American culture in this country.

Why did the Braves screw this up so badly?...It's not hard to do these caps right. The Braves not only didn't get that memo, but they also went ahead and created the "There is a demand for our old racist logo" memo that otherwise would have never existed.

All of the stuff you listed, like a litany of the saints, in your second paragraph in an effort to justify an endorsement of bigotry (the old "these things are worse" ploy) has absolutely NOTHING to do with this issue. Stop trying to marry them--they aren't even dating.

[marble falls]

44. Not at all, I see the obvious bunch some have have their personal sensitivities tied into.

[MADem]

45. Plainly you do not--it's not "sensitivities" to be offended by racism and bigotry. nt

[marble falls]

50. It is if its assumed and projected. Nothing ....

the Braves have put on record seems racist in any sort of way, your reading into it not withstanding. Have a nice life. I'm done with this and your efforts to turn this into personal insult. Please feel free to prattle on.

[MADem]

57. The Braves have put a racist logo on their batting practice cap.

If that doesn't "seem racist" to you, you don't understand the meaning of the term.

This isn't about you and your false claims of "personal insult," this is about a racist insult perpetuated by a major league baseball team that anyone who is sentient can appreciate--like every major sports writer in the country, who have taken the time to weigh in on this is and call it everything from stupid to profoundly moronic.

Open your eyes, do a little reading. Educate yourself -- the one doing all the offensive "prattling" is the fellow in your own mirror.

[LeftyMom]

55. You don't think this is racist? (video)

Because I see a group of people that skews whiter than the Republican congressional delegation whooping and waving foam tomahawks like Indians in an especially bad fifties western, and I'm not sure how anybody could think that's not racist.

[Gemini Cat]

58. Only the most painfully obtuse would not see this as racism.

Scratch painfully and insert willfully obtuse.

[MADem]

59. It's every bit as racist as this....

All they needed to round this spectacle out was a soundtrack of "Pow Wow, the Indian Boy."

Published on Sep 25, 2012
9/22/2012, nearby Eire Pub in Boston, at a rally for Scott Brown including former Mayor Ray Flynn. Some supporters of Elizabeth Warren were also gathered around with signs. Here you can see Brown's staffers making "war whoops" and "tomahawk chops", presumably in reference to Warren's Cherokee heritage. Identified in video making the chop are Brown's Constituent Service Counsel Jack Richard (camoflage shirt) and -- we believe -- Massachusetts GOP operative Brad Garrett, front and center with tan baseball cap and gray hoodie, leading the whoops and chops.

This kind of stuff helped to fix Scottie's little "red" wagon but good--the people of the Commonwealth understand racism when they see it, even if some fellows here seem incapable of appreciating precisely what it is.

[Fla Dem]

30. Where's the gun at? n/t

[auburngrad82]

31. From 1901 until 1965 Atlanta was the home to the minor league Atlanta Crackers

When they got the Braves franchise from Milwaukee the Crackers disappeared. I grew up in Georgia and having listened/watched the Braves all those years when they sucked wind.

In light of the political atmosphere in Georgia these days, I say we start a movement to have the name changed from the Braves to the Crackers.

One thing, though. I'd change the beer from Coors to Bud. Georgia's a little behind the eight ball on newfangled things like beer. If it ain't Bud or Bud Light it probably won't sell.

[marble falls]

35. I like your suggestion and might also offer up the Red Necks or maybe even the Ragin' Ofays.

[RoccoR5955]

33. In other Baseball News

I heard that the NY Mets were going to change their name to the NY Metz.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

43. I always thought he was laughing

Usually at what the Braves were putting on the field.

[Brickbat]

48. Hee, I always did, too!

[DirkGently]

46. Youch. Seems so racist when it's done to white people

instead.

[Taverner]

61. Why can't they just change this?

And someone on DU usually trots out one Native American who approves of it, and that's supposed to make everything okay....

[MADem]

73. That's the sick thing--they DID "just change it." To this racist depiction!

They got rid of it several years back owing to the insensitivity of the image. Now, for reasons entirely unclear, they've brought the thing back from the dead!

The prevailing media reaction is "Why did they put their collective head up their collective ass in this fashion? Are they operating under the 'any publicity is good publicity' maxim?"

[uponit7771]

70. +1