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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy are there millions of docments about Epstein's criminal activity?
Were they taking pictures of all the girls? Keeping files on all the perpetrators? Documenting every sexual act? Keeping track of the data on girls that were trafficked?
Who created the documents and why?
flvegan
(65,697 posts)CrispyQ
(40,623 posts)milestogo
(22,477 posts)No checks, no names, no records. Easy to deny.
But how could receipts be connected to the crimes?
Ocelot II
(128,879 posts)There's probably money laundering, tax evasion and blackmail, and there has to be a paper trail to establish those crimes. They paid the girls in cash, but the cash had to come from somewhere, and considering the amounts involved there will be paper trails through shell corporations and dodgy real estate deals. Epstein had and handled a lot of money, the sources of which are still not clear.
milestogo
(22,477 posts)I think Senator Wyden is looking into this.
Wiz Imp
(8,785 posts)Igel
(37,306 posts)Asking nicely, "Please just give us the documents we need to convict you" doesn't work because you're relying on the defendant's compliance when it's precisely that you can't assume. Maybe you only need 10k, but you get maybe 20 years' worth of records across numerous jurisdictions looking for stuff.
They'd take entire hard drives, filing cabinets full of records from the alleged perp's property and from his account(s).
Then you get to file it, just in case.
Notice, nobody in the know said that they had a 1 million documents (or pages) of records pertaining to Epstein's crimes. They said "potential"--meaning somebody's eyes will have to examine each one to determine if it's a credit card receipt for a pizza or a cash withdrawal from a bank to pay off a witness or the receipts for an NDA where all the gory details are outlined prior to them signing the deal--and his paying for it.
miyazaki
(2,592 posts)Botany
(76,285 posts)
outs, and Musk & Maxwells recruitment and acquisition schemes just fell into that
massive international sex trafficking network and never were heard of again. Along with
the money laundering, bank & tax fraud, blackmailing operations, misinformation, and
electoral rat fucking operations. Which had been going on for decades that produced
billions if not trillions of dollars in revenue.
CrispyQ
(40,623 posts)Ocelot II
(128,879 posts)going back to the late '90s, which could easily amount to a million different items.
Tetrachloride
(9,329 posts)airplane supplies, doctor visits (STD's, abortions), hush money, lawyers, NDA (non disclosure agreements), land.
mwmisses4289
(3,137 posts)when people first became aware of him.
Wiz Imp
(8,785 posts)That alone is easily in the hundreds of thousands of pages - possibly more. Then there are the documents related to FBI and other Law Enforcement investigations. Interviews with witnesses, tips to law enforcement, any kind of documentation, etc.
Add in when he was arrested, they pretty much took possession of most everything he owned. The Files include likely every piece of paper he had at any one of his properties, every picture, every video tape, every computer and hard drive, etc.. Epstein was known to have kept hundreds of thousands of pictures. And someone like Epstein probably had hundreds of thousands of emails. Plus investigators after the arrest would have would have taken additional pictures of all his properties and contents - these were large properties so that alone is thousands and thousands of pictures.
Not to mention all the financial records.
I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of other things tthat would be included in the files. It shouldn't be hard to understand. I'd be surprised if it wasn't multiple millions of documents/files/pages/etc. Ben Meiselas believes there are likely 10 million records. This is a slightly long video, but Meiselas does a great job of explaining what is included in the files.
unblock
(55,869 posts)His public persona involved being a focal point for politicians, celebrities, and rich people to mingle lavishly and privately.
There would be a ton of documents related to that activity, even if none of it were criminal in and of itself.
Of course, those parties served as a front for some of his weak, immoral, entitled, and stupid partiers to find a seemingly discreet opportunity to rape underage kids, only to find themselves, unsurprisingly, blackmailed for it. There would probably be less direct documentation about that, though at this point, quite a number of depositions and such.
kentuck
(115,067 posts)Do we really believe that?
No thinking person believes that.
Wiz Imp
(8,785 posts)Those 10 refer to a specific email or report from the FBI in 2019 that they had identified 10 co-conspiators that they believed they had the evidence to charge along with Epstein. It doesn't remotely mean there were only 10 people involved, it means they were ready to charge those 10 people. There's clearly dozens and probably hundreds of additional co-conspirators.
Scrivener7
(58,169 posts)every room of every house. And a roomful of video material disappeared just before the NYC house was raided by the FBI. Conveniently.
Igel
(37,306 posts)and each one's depositing data to hard drives when activated--which is pretty much whenever there are students in the building (or maybe just anybody).
But, you know, you go back a couple of weeks later and you won't find the recordings that were made unless there's a reason for them. Teacher's car gets hit, there's a fight, somebody's sexually assaulted or kids are taped fleeing from the bathroom when the THC vape detectors catch them, sure. And the record can be flagged and saved, copied to a safe place. Preserved as evidence until it's not evidence any more.
I'd assume that having 15 VHS decks or hard drives recording for hours a day, 7/365, would be absurdly wasteful--he'd want the "choice" bits, not 12 hours of watching a kitchen or himself take dumps. Who'd go back and watch all of it, who'd go back a week later to find the choice bits? Do it next day, fast forward, and scrap the dross.
Wasn't there some former reporter/book writer 'of note' that alerted Epstein to the fact that the 'good guys' were eyeing him up again? You hear that, what would you do with your stash o' incrimination?
milestogo
(22,477 posts)And there are a lot of places that have cameras posted but they aren't actually recording. Stupid people think it scares off criminals.
Scrivener7
(58,169 posts)your question. And I bet that's why she has a puppy now.
IronLionZion
(50,749 posts)hmmm....
Aviation Pro
(15,212 posts)Some will get that.
GreatGazoo
(4,428 posts)makes it harder to focus on the "needle."
Epstein's role goes back to Bears Sterns and Iran-Contra so there is a lot of things that people aren't interested in in those files -- war, arms deals, bailouts, Adnan Khashoggi, Dodi Al-Fayad, drug trafficking, white collar crimes. His lifestyle and early business were interconnected with Khashoggi who abused women in similar ways. So there is a ton of stuff, none of which will ever be prosecuted.
SeattleVet
(5,819 posts)Seriously, though, these are from SDNY which was doing prosecutions, so there would be tons of paperwork, reports, investigative materials, other supporting documents, etc. I could see a major case easily running into a million pages.
Remember them bringing in hand trucks full of boxes when they were doing the Enron case, and some other high-profile cases (OJ?).
chowder66
(11,777 posts)The mention of "300 gigabytes" refers to the significant volume of data and physical evidence the FBI and Department of Justice (DOJ) have in their possession related to the investigations into Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
This trove of material was uncovered during an exhaustive review of investigative holdings and includes:
Images and videos of victims, some of whom are minors or appear to be minors.
Over ten thousand downloaded videos and images of illegal child sex abuse material and other pornography.
Dozens of electronic devices, including computers, storage drives, and recording devices.
Physical evidence, such as travel logs, employee lists, blueprints of Epstein's properties, and logbooks for boat trips to and from his private island, Little St. James.
global1
(26,358 posts)H2O Man
(78,539 posts)Epstein kept all of those files. It includes those connected to his activities, and the various investigations into his crimes, including with others.
yaesu
(8,904 posts)After digging into it he did buy a yacht in the late 80's for 15 mil, called it the tRump Princess. He did use it on lake MI in the 90's, The first known victim of Jeffrey Epstein was a 13-year-old girl in Michigan in the 1990s, The report was about a 13yr old girl and it was her aborted baby by tRump that was supposedly murdered and thrown off his yacht. Anyway, this is all new to me but wouldn't surprise me one bit.
displacedvermoter
(4,092 posts)and has infected his wives and children with it. I believe both of these stories are true.