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Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:12 AM Sunday

Trump went way overboard to capture Madero.

I was disgusted as I listened to a USAF general go on and on and brag about
what a huge complex operation he led to capture a two bit, tinpot
dictator from a minor country. The general looks foolish and ridiculous.

Then Trump keeps saying it was the biggest military operation in ages, etc.

The military operation was done this way to impress Trump and make him
happy in a sadistic way.

Trump was also sending a message to the world.
Don't cross Trump or the US.
We will destroy you.

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Trump went way overboard to capture Madero. (Original Post) Irish_Dem Sunday OP
It was a complicated mission well executed Abnredleg Sunday #1
Yes. No need to brag and crow about it. Irish_Dem Sunday #4
The community of other nations and the ICC@Hague are the only remaining hurdles. bucolic_frolic Sunday #2
What countries will go up against the US military? Irish_Dem Sunday #6
Any country that is afraid TSF will do the same thing to them. milestogo Sunday #19
Yes and US military generals will brag about it in public. Irish_Dem Sunday #22
Trump opened the door to open-season kidnapping... Kid Berwyn Sunday #3
Yes exactly. Irish_Dem Sunday #13
Thought it absurd overkill that they made such a big drama of bringing Maduro to allegorical oracle Sunday #5
Trump uses these stunts to send a message. Irish_Dem Sunday #7
America will eat it up. kentuck Sunday #8
Yep. The best reality TV show of all time. Irish_Dem Sunday #14
Don't give Trump any ideas! Diamond_Dog Sunday #27
He is already doing it with the ICE kidnapping stunts. Irish_Dem Sunday #31
I mean fill up a stadium, charge $ for tickets Diamond_Dog Sunday #33
Yes he would love it. Irish_Dem Sunday #36
Perhaps he'll prefer to use the "ballroom" for that purpose. It will seat plenty of allegorical oracle Sunday #37
Hope Trump Rebl2 Sunday #9
The missile attack on Fort Tiuna is interesting. John1956PA Sunday #10
I read reports that 40 Venezuelans were killed in the attack. Irish_Dem Sunday #16
Operationally, the capture of Maduro was quite effective. Ocelot II Sunday #11
I hope that he has to face the ICC milestogo Sunday #17
The US is not party to the Rome statute fujiyamasan Sunday #40
I meant minor from a military perspective. Irish_Dem Sunday #21
Literally took a sitting dictator without losing a man or helicopter Melon Sunday #12
That was pretty well established with the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Ocelot II Sunday #20
It was overkill, Trump showing off and the US military kissing ass. Irish_Dem Sunday #23
Was it, though? Maduro was in a heavily-fortified compound and had a large Ocelot II Sunday #28
I thought it was overkill and unnecessary use of force. Irish_Dem Sunday #30
It is 100% certain that the USAF general's speech was 50% BS. Irish_Dem Sunday #32
Disappointingly, I felt it is the latter while I was watching his report. allegorical oracle Sunday #38
At the beginning of his broadcast Ali Velshi said 40 people were killed- milestogo Sunday #15
Message: "I can kidnap any head of state I want" dalton99a Sunday #18
Yes this is the message. Irish_Dem Sunday #24
Well, It's More RobinA Sunday #39
The Orange Menace is a war criminal... BH liberal Sunday #25
It took the focus off epstein. That was the primary motivation. PSPS Sunday #26
It was the likely motivation for the timing of the operation, but not for the operation itself. Ocelot II Sunday #29
Just wondering, when will we hear if ANY US troops were injured? bluestarone Sunday #34
Is he dead yet? red dog 1 Sunday #35

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
4. Yes. No need to brag and crow about it.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:20 AM
Sunday

Especially when it was ridiculous overkill.

This bragging was ridiculous and puts troops in harms way.

bucolic_frolic

(54,064 posts)
2. The community of other nations and the ICC@Hague are the only remaining hurdles.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:18 AM
Sunday

Who owns the incoming VZ supplies of oil and drugs now?

Btw, there are rumors of the ballroom being an underground data center. Owned or leased to whom? The primest location in DC, somebody's making a bundle.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
6. What countries will go up against the US military?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:27 AM
Sunday

Trump just showed he will use the full force of the US military to get what he wants.

Trump will ignore the ICC.

Trump's goal is to own the oil supply and manipulate and control
countries with it like Putin has done in Europe.

I also suspect his goal is to own the Mexican drug cartel and get that profit.
Putin has become the richest man in the world with his oil and drug/sex rings.

Kid Berwyn

(23,011 posts)
3. Trump opened the door to open-season kidnapping...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:19 AM
Sunday

Putin and his owner Xi will go after whomever, whenever and however and Traitor Trump will say, “Yes, Sir!”

Plus the associated international chaos.

allegorical oracle

(6,194 posts)
5. Thought it absurd overkill that they made such a big drama of bringing Maduro to
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:27 AM
Sunday

the U.S. shackled up and blindfolded. He was sufficiently surrounded by armed federal law enforcement agents.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
7. Trump uses these stunts to send a message.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:28 AM
Sunday

I am the mob boss who will destroy you if you cross me.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
14. Yep. The best reality TV show of all time.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:48 AM
Sunday

People love it like the Romans loved the violent colosseum performances.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
31. He is already doing it with the ICE kidnapping stunts.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:05 PM
Sunday

ICE agents grabbing pregnant women out of cars and stomping on their bellies.
Grabbing children off of school buses.

The MAGAs love it.

Diamond_Dog

(39,776 posts)
33. I mean fill up a stadium, charge $ for tickets
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:34 PM
Sunday

And make poor immigrants fight each other to the death for the prize of American citizenship.
He loves fighting, violence, death.


Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
36. Yes he would love it.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:49 PM
Sunday

I think it is rumored that Trump and Epstein played sick games
with their victims.

Yes Trump would love a Roman Coliseum violent performance.

We still have three years left.

allegorical oracle

(6,194 posts)
37. Perhaps he'll prefer to use the "ballroom" for that purpose. It will seat plenty of
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:14 PM
Sunday

paying rich folks and add to his grift. Isn't he planning WWE events? Or will those be held at the Kennedy Center? He's such a patron of the arts.

Rebl2

(17,416 posts)
9. Hope Trump
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:30 AM
Sunday

doesn’t make Putin angry. Putin might start releasing all kinds of information he has on Trump. It may not be flattering.

John1956PA

(4,834 posts)
10. The missile attack on Fort Tiuna is interesting.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:33 AM
Sunday

The before and after photos show two red-roofed buildings were destroyed on one side of the fort, as were six buildings on the other side.

I am thinking that the missile strikes were precise and hit ammunition and equipment supplies, only. I hope no Venezuelan soldiers were killed, but I realize that some likely were.

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_avif,q_auto:eco,dpr_2/rockcms/2026-01/260104-fort-tiuna-before-and-after-rs-697959.jpg

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
16. I read reports that 40 Venezuelans were killed in the attack.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:50 AM
Sunday

Probably more that we will never learn about.

Ocelot II

(129,128 posts)
11. Operationally, the capture of Maduro was quite effective.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:33 AM
Sunday

The big problem - and it's a very big one - is that it violated international law. I would absolutely not characterize Venezuela as a minor country, since it is not only fairly large (bigger than either France or Germany), but, more importantly, it is the location of the second largest oil reserves in the world - which is obviously the whole point of the operation. Maduro is a bad guy and a tinpot dictator, but Trump likes bad guys and tinpot dictators as long as they serve his interests. He doesn't care what happens to Maduro, except that he was getting in the way of the takeover of Venezuela's oil by US oil producers. But Maduro's government is still in place - this was just a decapitation, not a regime change. As usual, Trump has no idea what to do next, and the prosecution of Maduro in a US court will be an attempt at a show trial but Maduro has a lot of legal defenses.

This has the potential to be even messier than Iraq.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
21. I meant minor from a military perspective.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:06 AM
Sunday

Yes it has one of the largest oil reserves in the world but it is seriously outmatched
in terms of their military up against the US.

My point is that Trump did a serious overkill and it was a message to the world.
Any one who crosses him will be destroyed by the US military.

And I do not like USAF generals bragging and acting the fool in public
to please Trump. It puts troops in danger and not necessary.

The USAF is the greatest air power in the history of the world.
It has a great deal of pride but doesn't brag about it and rub it in people's faces.

Yes Trump has no problem with dictators, he clearly wants to steal oil.

Trump does not care what happens next except for the fact he will make a lot
of money and profit from this crime paid for by the US taxpayer.

He could not care less about the victims of his crimes.

Melon

(1,103 posts)
12. Literally took a sitting dictator without losing a man or helicopter
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:38 AM
Sunday

You don’t plan something half way when the goal is to win. Venezuela also uses Russian and Iranian air defense systems. It’s a clear message to Russia/China/Iran that US military technology and doctrine is far ahead of anywhere else.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
23. It was overkill, Trump showing off and the US military kissing ass.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:14 AM
Sunday

To capture a tinpot dictator from a two bit country.

Ocelot II

(129,128 posts)
28. Was it, though? Maduro was in a heavily-fortified compound and had a large
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:52 AM
Sunday

and well-armed security force; it wasn't just a matter of knocking on his front door and taking him away. The operation was complex and well-executed, more like the taking of Osama Bin Laden. That doesn't mean it was legal or justifiable, which is an entirely different issue.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
30. I thought it was overkill and unnecessary use of force.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:01 PM
Sunday

The USAF general's description was way over the top for an operation of this sort.

But even if I go with your viewpoint, a USAF general opening bragging about
the operation and going on and on about it was a total disgrace.

The USAF is the finest Air Power in the world.
There is no need to brag and rub it in our enemy's face.
And no need to use it as a way to warn others.

This puts troops in harm's way.
And makes the USAF look like braggarts and fools.

I cannot speak for the other branches of US service.
But I am an USAF kid and if we had carried on in public like this general did,
we would have been taken to task and rightly so.

Yes you can brag in private. But in public you keep troops safe and keep your
mouth shut. The minute you brag like a fool, the enemy will knock you down a peg.

Irish_Dem

(79,887 posts)
32. It is 100% certain that the USAF general's speech was 50% BS.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:31 PM
Sunday

He either drew the short straw or is up Trump's ass.

milestogo

(22,595 posts)
15. At the beginning of his broadcast Ali Velshi said 40 people were killed-
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:49 AM
Sunday

both military and civilians.

But as long as its not one of ours, who cares?

RobinA

(10,473 posts)
39. Well, It's More
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:12 PM
Sunday

like, it's OK to kidnap a foreign leader and steal the country's resources. Forget all that postWW2 international law hoohah that says you can't just plow into other nations and take what you want.

BH liberal

(121 posts)
25. The Orange Menace is a war criminal...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:21 AM
Sunday

and when are the Congressional Republican majority caucuses finally going to face up to it and do their duty?

Ocelot II

(129,128 posts)
29. It was the likely motivation for the timing of the operation, but not for the operation itself.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:54 AM
Sunday

Trump has wanted to seize Venezuela's oil for a long time and has made no secret of it. This was going to happen regardless of the Epstein files but the timing was convenient.

bluestarone

(21,208 posts)
34. Just wondering, when will we hear if ANY US troops were injured?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:37 PM
Sunday

I'm waiting, and believe we DID have some troops injured.

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