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So the U.S. doesn't recognize the courts of The Hague - the ICC, the ICJ
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court
The International Criminal Court (ICC) is an intergovernmental organisation and international tribunal seated in The Hague, Netherlands. Established in 2002 under the multilateral Rome Statute, the ICC is the first and only permanent international court with jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression. The ICC is intended to complement, not replace, national judicial systems; it can exercise its jurisdiction only when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals. It is distinct from the International Court of Justice, an organ of the United Nations that hears disputes between states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice
The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN). It settles legal disputes submitted to it by states and provides advisory opinions on legal questions referred to it by other UN organs and specialized agencies. The ICJ is the only international court that adjudicates general disputes between countries, with its rulings and opinions serving as primary sources of international law. It is one of the six principal organs of the United Nations.
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marble falls
(71,104 posts)UTUSN
(76,947 posts)lapfog_1
(31,660 posts)especially about the discussion on Venezuelan oil versus texas oil ( light sweet crude ). And about petrodollars. And the south florida rabid cuban immigrants who STILL ( 75 years later ) want to return to cuba and get their land back and turn everyone there back into poor farm workers while they become a type of oligarch ( ok, not billionaires, but rich compared to the rest of cuba ).
I am hearing more from my friends in Venezuela... the rumors is that there will be a massive second strike to kill the military and anyone that opposes the new leans right dictator Machado. She has almost zero popular support inside the country. She would not win a free and fair election.
They wanted Maduro gone from power... but they also want him to stand trial IN VENEZUELA, not in the USA.
markodochartaigh
(5,030 posts)One point that he didn't specifically make was how Trump is using previously used policies and procedures but ramping them up on steroids. From gerrymandering to immigration enforcement to lawfare and so much more, Trump and the reich-wing Republicans are pushing to violate norms and morph the system into their own Frankenstein monster.
StoolPigeon
(205 posts)I remember reading this some years back at the ICC's website at https://www.icc-cpi.int. Some of this verbage is found on the home page, but as of yet, I haven't found the rest.
Interestingly, "it can exercise its jurisdiction only when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals". The Roberts court has fulfilled this requirement.
Mossfern
(4,628 posts)I was engaged for the entire 22 minutes of this.
I can't vouch for its legitimacy, but brings a fascinating aspect to light.
* only had to take 3 ADHD breaks and rewinds
Ms. Toad
(38,306 posts)Explaining why it was illegal as regime change, or to punish for war crimes, or as a military action, doesn't address the formal justification for it which appeared almost as an afterthought to all of Trump's bluster.
Any analysis needs to focus on destroying the justification that he was indicted by a grand jury in the state of New York, for crimes under US law (not for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression), and it wasn't a military action - it was military support for a purportedly legal seizure of an indicted defendant under US law.
I don't for a second believe it was legal - but to prove that we have to get off the path of focusing on proving Trump's bluster was illegal - and start focusing on proving that the behind the scenes legal justification (seizing someone in their own country under the authority of a grand jury indictment, with military support) was also illegal.
chowder66
(11,853 posts)Marie Marie
(10,888 posts)Hugin
(37,443 posts)Absolutely illegal and about the petrodollar. Makes more sense than most of what I have been hearing.
UTUSN
(76,947 posts)The default explanation for everything Trump is whatever is the cruelest stupidest most vindictive means for him to steal a buck.
thanks!