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moonshinegnomie

(3,872 posts)
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:12 PM Wednesday

screen shot of the ICE thug proves it was not justified and was murder




this is the agent shooing an innocent woman. you'll notice he's not in front of teh vehicle and her tires are turned away from him .


Its time to traet ICE agents as teh domestic terrorists they are


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screen shot of the ICE thug proves it was not justified and was murder (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Wednesday OP
Every state should pass a law labeling them as domestic terrorism SSJVegeta Wednesday #1
That is the ICE agent who pulled on the door handle. John1956PA Wednesday #2
And he's still safely off to the side. haele Wednesday #4
I agree with you that the shooting is murder. John1956PA Wednesday #6
There were three bully ing Ice agents. Ms. Toad Wednesday #13
I was able to see just as he is reaching the victim's left headlight misanthrope Wednesday #77
I agree. Ms. Toad Wednesday #78
Saw a video still-shot that showed a bullet hole in the lower left side of the allegorical oracle Yesterday #104
I think it was the first shot that went through the windshield EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #23
More like 2+ feet Dave says Wednesday #19
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #25
There is absolutely no major news report that an ICE nazi was hit, nothing, nadda.. nt yaesu Wednesday #31
People who the shooter could have hit OneBlueDotS-Carolina Wednesday #34
You are ForgedCrank Wednesday #41
This message was self-deleted by its author dpibel Wednesday #56
Ok ForgedCrank Wednesday #57
I saw the shooter OneBlueDotS-Carolina Wednesday #32
It he was hit, He is the most graceful coordinated person. "Hit" by the car. Remained on his feet. Did not stumble LiberalArkie Wednesday #38
I watched ForgedCrank Wednesday #43
Can you find the video and post it here? Catherine Vincent Wednesday #44
Again, zero reports that he was treated for anything, not even on musks Nazi infested site. nt yaesu Wednesday #80
What is the basis for your assertion? dpibel Wednesday #83
There's video of him walking down the street to a silver pickup, rsdsharp Wednesday #59
Why can't ForgedCrank Wednesday #61
Other than Cosplay Kristi who said he was taken to the hospital? rsdsharp Wednesday #65
CBS for one. ForgedCrank Wednesday #67
From the CBS News site: rsdsharp Wednesday #84
What makes ForgedCrank Wednesday #86
It's not "meaningless." It's part and parcel of the "domestic terrorist" line. rsdsharp Wednesday #92
As I've observed before dpibel Yesterday #95
Gnome is obviously the liar that was obviously referred to.nt Trueblue Texan Yesterday #110
Trump sheshe2 Wednesday #91
"hit by the car" Cirsium Yesterday #103
Well you said he went to the hospital was checked out and released... Trueblue Texan Yesterday #109
I didn't see him get hit misanthrope Wednesday #79
After seeing a different vantage point, the left front bumper made contact with his legs misanthrope Wednesday #81
Or he hit the vehicle... dpibel Wednesday #85
The shooter looks like he almost shot his partner Ohioboy Wednesday #12
The ICE Agent That Pulled On The Door DallasNE Yesterday #100
So glad for Ari's chyron malaise Wednesday #3
Boot Hill struggle4progress Wednesday #5
Noem claims the shooter was treated for injuries at doc03 Wednesday #7
orange pedo said he was brutally injured moonshinegnomie Wednesday #8
Yes, both of the men shown in the OP's photo walked away spooky3 Wednesday #36
Obviously none of them were injured. nt doc03 Wednesday #49
Probably a J6 insurrectionist debsy Wednesday #9
I want him unmasked and announce his name kimbutgar Wednesday #10
The feet of the thug who did the shooting are not in that screenshot. Ms. Toad Wednesday #11
I think that's him. Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #26
You are correct. Ms. Toad Wednesday #48
You're wrong, and Hassan bin Sober is correct Prairie Gates Wednesday #37
I stand corrected. Ms. Toad Wednesday #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Greg_In_SF Wednesday #51
Those ARE the feet of the shooter in the OP's pic. The ... Whiskeytide Wednesday #54
I've already acknowledged that they are correct as to the freeze frame. Ms. Toad Wednesday #60
That cop better hope it was the shot through the windshield that killed her (I doubt it based on the windshield hole) Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #64
Any federal charges are going to be useless. Ms. Toad Wednesday #66
Oh, I thought state criminal charges could be moved to federal court if the act is part of their federal job Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #75
You're right - state law charges, handled by a federal court (when the charges are against a federal actor). Ms. Toad Wednesday #76
That is a good analysis. I am optimistic that MN can ... Whiskeytide Wednesday #69
I hope you are right! n/t Ms. Toad Wednesday #70
I found another video, from the front angle. Ms. Toad Wednesday #68
I don't think anyone is hit, shooter steps back to get a better angle questionseverything Wednesday #82
If you watch the video I linked to, Ms. Toad Wednesday #87
He doesn't slide, he steps back...totally disagree about the contact questionseverything Wednesday #89
We agree that neither should be death sentences. Ms. Toad Wednesday #90
No LEO in their right mind Cosmocat Wednesday #93
and the tires were pointing away from him. SonOfNebanaube Wednesday #58
I'm not making excuses. Ms. Toad Wednesday #63
K&R UTUSN Wednesday #14
From another video, there is a third agent in front of thr car. May be the shooter Raven123 Wednesday #15
Yes, this ForgedCrank Wednesday #28
No one was hit by a car, Bayard Wednesday #45
Ok ForgedCrank Wednesday #47
There were only two agents near the front of the car. Nt spooky3 Yesterday #94
Vehicle isnt always a deadly weapon Johonny Wednesday #16
Assholes don't even have the right shoes on for winter weather in MN. None of them can walk without slipping Cheezoholic Wednesday #17
This pic doesn't show the ICE agent that was in front of the SUV Kaleva Wednesday #18
from the side moonshinegnomie Wednesday #21
That tweet is misinformation Renew Deal Wednesday #30
He better hope the shot that killed her was the windshield shot. Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday #35
The deceased was the only person in the car Kaleva Wednesday #42
Her wife was in the car too, she got blood all over her and was quite distraught. There's vid Blues Heron Wednesday #72
Who are the two women and a dog? Bayard Wednesday #50
It does... but this image is from after the initial shot FBaggins Wednesday #39
You can see his feet Blues Heron Wednesday #74
Tonight would be the perfect night for F45 to flee the country. nt in2herbs Wednesday #20
An agent "fleeing for his life" would not have time to pull out a gun, aim and fire three times, obviously. nt Exp Wednesday #22
Exactly. moondust Wednesday #24
That's not the shooter Renew Deal Wednesday #27
His feet are visible Blues Heron Wednesday #71
Life in prison would be too good for that murderous POS. InAbLuEsTaTe Wednesday #29
BE ON THE LOOKOUT. THIS GUY MAY BE THE KILLER AverageOldGuy Wednesday #33
ICE is likely full of bad former cops kbowman Wednesday #40
She was sitting there and let one vehicle go past her and she motioned the second one to go by as well. Eko Wednesday #52
Is there video where this is clear? Is this from a witness statement? I haven't seen, heard or read this prior. KPN Yesterday #97
Yes Yes Yes Murder!!! IA8IT Wednesday #53
Different angle video KLK1972 Wednesday #55
Fucks News report Melon Wednesday #62
It's clearly murder mvd Wednesday #73
There seems to be some here that are going doc03 Wednesday #88
It is odd, isn't it? dpibel Yesterday #96
You can see the one officer get out of his vehicle and immediately tries to open doc03 Yesterday #98
For starters, there was no snowbank. The guy was at the left front of the car, not directly in front so he couldn't Vinca Yesterday #99
If nothing else--the way he walked away showed he clearly wasn't injured crimycarny Yesterday #108
This message was self-deleted by its author valleyrogue Yesterday #101
The video, especially the one that is slow-motion, makes it more clear. valleyrogue Yesterday #102
She should have complied with orders gulliver Yesterday #105
shooting her in the head pfitz59 Yesterday #106
The actual shooter WAS in front to start with Callie1979 Yesterday #107

SSJVegeta

(2,327 posts)
1. Every state should pass a law labeling them as domestic terrorism
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:15 PM
Wednesday

And anybody working for them as such. Fuck these mother fuckers

John1956PA

(4,826 posts)
2. That is the ICE agent who pulled on the door handle.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:15 PM
Wednesday

The ICE agent who was the shooter is in the background.

haele

(15,087 posts)
4. And he's still safely off to the side.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:21 PM
Wednesday

The way those tires were turned, she would have missed him by a foot to 18".

John1956PA

(4,826 posts)
6. I agree with you that the shooting is murder.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:35 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:09 PM - Edit history (1)

The shooter was at a safe distance in front of the victim's vehicle when the other bullying ICE agent stormed it, pulled on the door handle, and shouted, "Get out of the f****** car!" The victim became rightfully frightened. She backed the car up a bit. I read that, while she was backing up, the forward ICE agent (the killer) drew his sidearm. As the victim drove forward and to the right, the killer fired two rounds straight into the windshield. As the car continued to move forward and to the right, the killer fired the third round through the side window. The image you posted captures possibly a moment between the second and third shot.

In my opinion, the shooting is murder.

ON EDIT: I have now looked at an image of the victim 's wrecked vehicle. Only one bullet hole appears in the windshield as shown in the image. I do not know how many shots were fired, but I believe the last shot was fired into the driver side window.

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
13. There were three bully ing Ice agents.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:12 PM
Wednesday

The one who did the shooting came around the front of the car from its right side - toward the other two. He is hard to spot in the video until after the shots are over.

To the extent he was in harm's way, he put himself there by walking in front of the car while his buddies attempted to drag her from the car.

misanthrope

(9,380 posts)
77. I was able to see just as he is reaching the victim's left headlight
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:29 PM
Wednesday

You can see him draw his gun before she even touched the accelerator again.

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
78. I agree.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:30 PM
Wednesday

She had backed up to clear the car to her right and was just starting to pull around it. The acceleration came after the first shot was fired.

allegorical oracle

(6,187 posts)
104. Saw a video still-shot that showed a bullet hole in the lower left side of the
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:48 PM
Yesterday

car windshield, which suggests he was standing next to the car's left front quarter panel. Heard this a.m. that two more shots were fired through the left window.

It's so fortunate that her son wasn't in the car with her. And, given that she had just dropped off her son at school, has anyone heard if that school was close to the crime scene? Have been haunted that she wasn't a protester at all but was simply caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

EdmondDantes_

(1,384 posts)
23. I think it was the first shot that went through the windshield
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:41 PM
Wednesday

She was starting to the right going forward so the first shot through the windshield, and as the car moves forward faster, the remaining shots went through the open window. The other order doesn't make sense with the car's direction of travel unless the shot through the windshield came from behind the driver's seat.

Response to haele (Reply #4)

OneBlueDotS-Carolina

(1,486 posts)
34. People who the shooter could have hit
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:57 PM
Wednesday

were his fellow ICE agents, one hit the deck. They're lucky they weren't hit.

Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #41)

LiberalArkie

(19,319 posts)
38. It he was hit, He is the most graceful coordinated person. "Hit" by the car. Remained on his feet. Did not stumble
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:10 PM
Wednesday

and was able to fire several deadly shots.

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
43. I watched
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:19 PM
Wednesday

the video and saw it with my own eyes; he was hit by the car. No, he didn't fall down and I never said he did. It was more of a "hip bump" type contact. No way to tell from the video how severe though, but definitely contact with the car. The fact that he as treated and released tells me either minor or no injuries most likely, so it couldn't have been anything serious. The car was only going maybe 5 mph at best

yaesu

(9,006 posts)
80. Again, zero reports that he was treated for anything, not even on musks Nazi infested site. nt
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:35 PM
Wednesday

dpibel

(3,780 posts)
83. What is the basis for your assertion?
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:42 PM
Wednesday

You say, "[t]he fact that he as [sic] treated and released..."

How do you know he was treated and released?

rsdsharp

(11,794 posts)
59. There's video of him walking down the street to a silver pickup,
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:47 PM
Wednesday

as a woman repeatedly shouts “shame.”

The Minneapolis police chief asked people at the site in anyone else was hurt and was told that it was only the woman who was shot.

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
61. Why can't
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:53 PM
Wednesday

people take words for face value instead of re-interpreting them to generate some nefarious hidden meaning?
I never said he was injured or hurt, only that he was hit by the car and checked out at the hospital and released. Does any of that equate to me saying he was hurt? HTF would I know? That part isn't in the news yet. And if he was hurt, it wasn't anything serious because he was released (and yes, walking around at the scene).
Geez

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
67. CBS for one.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:12 PM
Wednesday

Do your own googling.
Believe it or not, there is information outside of DU and is quite often far more accurate or complete than what is posted here.
Policy would require he be taken for medical evaluation after such an incident, why is this so difficult for some to accept? Why argue about such an insignificant fact?

rsdsharp

(11,794 posts)
84. From the CBS News site:
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:42 PM
Wednesday

Noem said in a press conference Wednesday evening the ICE officer who shot the woman was involved in an incident with an "anti-ICE rioter" in June. She added that the officer, who has yet to be identified, was taken to the hospital after Wednesday's shooting and has since been released.

CBS quoted Noem. So I ask again, who (other than an obvious liar) says he was taken to the hospital?

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
86. What makes
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:58 PM
Wednesday

it an "obvious" lie? What is so obvious and what makes it a lie, not to mention, why is it even so critically important to you?
Why your fixation on this meaningless point? It is REQUIRED that he be medically checked out for an on the job incident for various reasons, in many cases because of actual law, and also because of the union.
If this is the hill you want to fight over, you can just crown yourself king right now because I'm done with this ridiculous back and froth over nothing.

rsdsharp

(11,794 posts)
92. It's not "meaningless." It's part and parcel of the "domestic terrorist" line.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:41 PM
Wednesday

“He was hit by a car and he had to go to the hospital.” Trump said he was “run over.”

Show me the statue and/or union regulation that required a trip to the hospital.

If you choose to believe Kristi Noem, be my guest. I don’t, and also having watched it in slow motion multiple times, I did not see contact. I did seen him walk, without a limp, to where the vehicle came to a rest, look at her body, turn around and walk back to a silver pickup.

Trueblue Texan

(4,194 posts)
109. Well you said he went to the hospital was checked out and released...
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 08:20 PM
Yesterday

going to the hospital does indeed indicate he was hurt.

misanthrope

(9,380 posts)
79. I didn't see him get hit
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:33 PM
Wednesday

I saw him reach out with one hand and brace against the left front corner of the car, hand mostly on the hood just behind and above the headlight. He gave no appearance of having been passively hit by the car.

misanthrope

(9,380 posts)
81. After seeing a different vantage point, the left front bumper made contact with his legs
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:40 PM
Wednesday

So from that evidence it would appear, he did indeed get hit by the vehicle.

dpibel

(3,780 posts)
85. Or he hit the vehicle...
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:45 PM
Wednesday

If one jumps into the path of a moving vehicle, or makes contact with it, in order to get a better angle to shoot, I'm not sure that's hit by the vehicle as most people would understand the term.

Ohioboy

(3,874 posts)
12. The shooter looks like he almost shot his partner
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:12 PM
Wednesday

These assholes act like they've had no training. They better have some body cams!

DallasNE

(7,961 posts)
100. The ICE Agent That Pulled On The Door
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:53 PM
Yesterday

Also pulled out his weapon with his left hand. At first, I thought he was also the shooter. But I now believe you are correct that it was the ICE agent in the background who took a risky shot and hit her.

malaise

(292,858 posts)
3. So glad for Ari's chyron
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 06:18 PM
Wednesday

Ice Agents kill woman in shooting
Min AG calls for independent probe of shooting.
He’s on Ari.

moonshinegnomie

(3,872 posts)
8. orange pedo said he was brutally injured
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 07:43 PM
Wednesday

and yet there is video of him walking away unharmed...

arrest him for murder. arrest every ICE agent there as accessories. and lock them up in the worst hell hole prison they can find

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
11. The feet of the thug who did the shooting are not in that screenshot.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:10 PM
Wednesday

He is in front of the vehicle, hidden by the front of the car and the thug closest to the front of the car in this screenshot.

In other words, there were 3 thugs. You can't see the feet of the one who fired the shots in this screenshot.

I had to watch the video several times before I could find him.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,387 posts)
26. I think that's him.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:44 PM
Wednesday

I did screen shots from a video.

In that freeze frame you can only see two sets of legs. But the gun smoke/glass exploding is visible in my shot and the op’s shot





Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
48. You are correct.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:26 PM
Wednesday

The third agent (who was more visible in the full screen) is to the left of these two)

Response to Prairie Gates (Reply #37)

Whiskeytide

(4,633 posts)
54. Those ARE the feet of the shooter in the OP's pic. The ...
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:33 PM
Wednesday

… 3rd guy you mention is off screen to the left.

I’ve carefully watched the video in slow motion numerous times. (There was one on this board earlier but I can’t find it now). It does not appear he was struck. Maybe it was close, but if he was, it was a minor bump as she was turning away from him.

But imo squabbling over this misses the point. These guys are out there looking for trouble. This is no way for any law enforcement personnel to conduct themselves in the US. They are untrained and incompetent. And they don’t WANT to de-escalate these situations.

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
60. I've already acknowledged that they are correct as to the freeze frame.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:47 PM
Wednesday

I agree that he did not seem to be struck - or, if he was, it was not serious contact.

My concern is escalating the situation by posting images that purportedly identify the shooter or insisting the shooter was clearly out of the way of the car - when he had just (without the benefit of freeze frame) crossed in front of the car from its right side. I haven't seen a video connecting the shooter to the close-up which is being posted. I haven't seen a video from the front of the car which clarifies where the thugs were, when the shooting took place (or just before).

It isn't helpful when we counter inflammatory rhetoric with our own inflammatory rhetoric.

Do I believe a killing like this was inevitable - absolutely. Do I believe this particular shooting was unjustified - absolutely. From a legal perspective do I think he will be charged or convicted by Minnesota - I hope so, but unfortunately I don't believe it is certain. He is close enough to the path of the car (a decision he made when he crossed in front of the car) that I'm not sure a jury would convict him. The mind of the officer doesn't have the hindsight we have in looking at fraction of a second freeze frames.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,387 posts)
64. That cop better hope it was the shot through the windshield that killed her (I doubt it based on the windshield hole)
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:59 PM
Wednesday

My uneducated guess is there is a stray round exit out the back of the vehicle or a bullet lodged in a seat.

The other two shots were at a fleeing suspect. I wonder how a jury will see that. If it gets that far.

My google search says it would probably get moved to federal court for a judge to dismiss or allow a prosecution???

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
66. Any federal charges are going to be useless.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:11 PM
Wednesday

Trump will just pardon him.

If charges are going to stick they will need to be state charges. (And, unlike civil cases, criminal charges can't simply be removed to another court).

I did find a video that shows the incident from the front. Unfortunately it is from a distance, and no audio so we can't compare the timing. Unfortunately, from that angle, it does appear the car made contact with the officer. Around 57 seconds in: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/minneapolis-woman-fatally-shot-by-ice-witness-video-digvid





Hassin Bin Sober

(27,387 posts)
75. Oh, I thought state criminal charges could be moved to federal court if the act is part of their federal job
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:23 PM
Wednesday

Like the trump henchmen tried to do in Georgia?

Still state law but handled by a federal court?

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
76. You're right - state law charges, handled by a federal court (when the charges are against a federal actor).
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:25 PM
Wednesday

So Trump still can't pardon him.

Whiskeytide

(4,633 posts)
69. That is a good analysis. I am optimistic that MN can ...
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:14 PM
Wednesday

… get a conviction. A jury from Hennepin County (I think - Portland Ave might traverse more than one county) will likely not empathize with the shooter. If he is charged, and doesn’t get a transfer to a different venue, I like the prosecution’s chances.

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
68. I found another video, from the front angle.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:13 PM
Wednesday

Last edited Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Unfortunately, it does appear the car hit the thug - which may make it a harder case to win. On the other hand, I'd argue that once it hit him and he rolled around to the side window there was no more danger and his shots (at least the 2nd and 3rd) were retribution or designed to prevent her escape.

Around 24-26 seconds in: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/minneapolis-woman-fatally-shot-by-ice-witness-video-digvid

questionseverything

(11,571 posts)
82. I don't think anyone is hit, shooter steps back to get a better angle
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:41 PM
Wednesday

The 3rd cop seems to cross over to prevent the victims escape

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
87. If you watch the video I linked to,
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:01 PM
Wednesday

it is pretty clear to me that there is contact - especially if you then go back and compare it to some of the slow motion videos from the left of the car. The third thug was (stupidly) crossing in front of the car to prevent her escape. To the extent there was any real risk from her, his choices created it. But back to the videos - the thug trying to drag her from the car car unfortunately blocks the view of the body of the shooter - but his feet appear to slide backwards on the ice (taking them out of the path of the vehicle's tires) simultaneous with the top part of his body moving forward - as would happen if he were hit by the front left corner of the car. And from the front view, he appears to be being pushed by the car, before sliding around to the driver's side.

I don't think it is serous contact. I'd be surprised if he even had a bruise at the speed she was going. There's no way she was trying to hit him. And no excuse for shooting. But it will make it harder to disprove the expected self-defense claim if Minnesota decides to charge him.

questionseverything

(11,571 posts)
89. He doesn't slide, he steps back...totally disagree about the contact
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:09 PM
Wednesday

Neither should be death sentences

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
90. We agree that neither should be death sentences.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:11 PM
Wednesday

But have you watched the video I linked to? It is the only one I've seen with a perspective from the front of the car.

Cosmocat

(15,348 posts)
93. No LEO in their right mind
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:41 PM
Wednesday

puts themselves anywhere near the front of a vehicle w someone behind the wheel and the engine running at all, much less if they are trying to apprehend that person.

Ms. Toad

(38,308 posts)
63. I'm not making excuses.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:57 PM
Wednesday

I am trying to avoid inflammatory rhetoric on our side. It isn't helpful, regardless of which side is using it.

He should have been focusing on ensuring his safety and the safety of others around him. As to his own safety - you don't walk in front of a car with a driver in it. That is never safe. That was his choice to expose himself to that danger. It was his choice to focus more on preventing her from leaving than on the safety of others who might be hit by his gun - OR - by the car when he killed the driver. There is no question but which he created the circumstances which put him in whatever risk he was in.

That said, once he made those stupid decisions, an officer with a gun drawn is not going to be looking down at the tires to know which way they are turned. And if you look at more than just these freeze frames - to the ones fractions of seconds earlier - at the time he had to make the decision to pull the trigger - it is a much closer call as to the direction the tires were pointed.

And certainly, there is no justification for continuing to fire into the open window of the car as it passed him.

It doesn't mean I like it - but as an attorney, it isn't just a matter of looking at the direction the wheels are turned at the moment he fired the first shot and determining that because we can see the direction the wheels were turned in a freeze frame analysis that he would have known that.

ForgedCrank

(3,029 posts)
28. Yes, this
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:45 PM
Wednesday

picture and the attached commentary is misleading and incorrect. Neither of the two pictured cops are the one who got hit by the car. The third cop is in front of the car and this picture doesn't show him. I'm still not sure which one(s) fired the shots though, or if it was more than one of them.

Johonny

(25,475 posts)
16. Vehicle isnt always a deadly weapon
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:18 PM
Wednesday

Don't buy the right wing propaganda. They killed her. It is murder. Clear murder. Thus guy should goto jail for a long, long time. Kristi should be forced to resign. Her agents are clearly poorly trained and that is her fault.

Trump has made us less safe. Indeed, he is killing us.

Cheezoholic

(3,535 posts)
17. Assholes don't even have the right shoes on for winter weather in MN. None of them can walk without slipping
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:19 PM
Wednesday

Fuck these Nazis!


FF!!!

Kaleva

(40,191 posts)
18. This pic doesn't show the ICE agent that was in front of the SUV
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:21 PM
Wednesday

And it’s been reported that the woman was shit through the windshield

Renew Deal

(84,707 posts)
30. That tweet is misinformation
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:47 PM
Wednesday

That's at the end of the interaction. He shot 2-3 times by then.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,387 posts)
35. He better hope the shot that killed her was the windshield shot.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:59 PM
Wednesday

Because that was the only “justified” (by cop logic) shot.


Which I doubt - because it was fired into the windshield while standing off to the side.

I bet there is a bullet that either when out the back or lodged on a seat.

The kill shot probably came when he had a clear shot through an open window.

Blues Heron

(8,391 posts)
72. Her wife was in the car too, she got blood all over her and was quite distraught. There's vid
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 10:21 PM
Wednesday

Bayard

(28,590 posts)
50. Who are the two women and a dog?
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:28 PM
Wednesday

The eyewitness neighbor that Chris Hayes interviewed said there was no one else in the car.

FBaggins

(28,638 posts)
39. It does... but this image is from after the initial shot
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:11 PM
Wednesday

She did drive directly at him (seemingly hitting him from one angle)... but he kept firing well past the point where she could not harm him. He didn't need to shoot her

Exp

(765 posts)
22. An agent "fleeing for his life" would not have time to pull out a gun, aim and fire three times, obviously. nt
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:40 PM
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AverageOldGuy

(3,358 posts)
33. BE ON THE LOOKOUT. THIS GUY MAY BE THE KILLER
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 08:57 PM
Wednesday

Reports were that the killer (or federal ICE agent, if he really was that) FLED THE SCENE in an unmarked car.

Police should be on the lookout for a Chevy Tahoe with MN plates, EVC-289. Some folks video-ed him strolling to his car, and driving off.

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Look at the photo in a comment above that shows the thug firing into the vehicle. Checkout his hairline.

Compare that hairline to the hairline in this post.

Got him.

kbowman

(12 posts)
40. ICE is likely full of bad former cops
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:13 PM
Wednesday

that were never fully prosecuted or held accountable for their actions and moved onto a new, more highly paying job with ICE. The George Floyd shooter (I don't want to name him) would be in ICE for sure if he was not currently serving time.

Eko

(9,818 posts)
52. She was sitting there and let one vehicle go past her and she motioned the second one to go by as well.
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:32 PM
Wednesday

Instead they got out and came up to her car and started pulling on the door. Why? She wasn't blocking traffic, she waved them on. They initiated violence and ramped it up when she tried to get away. It's all on them.

KPN

(17,144 posts)
97. Is there video where this is clear? Is this from a witness statement? I haven't seen, heard or read this prior.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:40 AM
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KLK1972

(26 posts)
55. Different angle video
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:36 PM
Wednesday

This shows the ICE was in front of the car initially- his original shot may be deemed justified but the subsequent side shots were clearly unnecessary. It's also worth reminding again that NONE of this would have happened- no agent would have been injured and no mother of a small child would have been killed, if Trump wasn't pushing his own private personal revenge tour on Minnesota.

Melon

(1,093 posts)
62. Fucks News report
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 09:57 PM
Wednesday

But from that angle, the cop who shot was initially in front of the vehicle. Whether he got 100% out of the way is hard to see from that angle. It happens within a second.

You can’t shoot once justifiably, and all after in the same action not be justified.

doc03

(38,838 posts)
88. There seems to be some here that are going
Wed Jan 7, 2026, 11:02 PM
Wednesday

out of their way trying to justify this murder. I have seen this video dozens of times and can't see anyone hit by the car and nobody is injured in the least. Nobody was knocked down or showed any evidence of being injured. The shooter walked to his car with no limp or showing any pain. I guess I can't beleive my lying eyes. Noem claimed they were trying get their vehicle out of the snow and she tried to run them down, total bullshit.

dpibel

(3,780 posts)
96. It is odd, isn't it?
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:38 AM
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The person or people who are so solicitous of the poor threatened Icer.

I makes ya wonder what the agenda is.

doc03

(38,838 posts)
98. You can see the one officer get out of his vehicle and immediately tries to open
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:40 AM
Yesterday

her door. if she wouldn't have tried to get away, we all know she would have been pulled out
of the car and thrown to the ground. She may have ended up in some concentration camp and
or ever sent to another country. She was ordered to move and was complying with their order, then
gets gunned down. Then we have people on DU twisting their selves in knots trying to justify it.

Vinca

(53,357 posts)
99. For starters, there was no snowbank. The guy was at the left front of the car, not directly in front so he couldn't
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 07:58 AM
Yesterday

get out of the way. You can tell by the angle of the shot through the front windshield where he was standing. When he shot her, it was total overkill, too. He stuck the gun through the driver's window and shot her in the head an additional couple of times. It was murder, pure and simple. What they should have done is let her proceed on her way and track her down later from her license plate number if they wanted to arrest her for something. I hope the thug is identified somehow and charged with murder.

crimycarny

(2,010 posts)
108. If nothing else--the way he walked away showed he clearly wasn't injured
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 06:01 PM
Yesterday

Exactly!

1) He put himself in front of the car, which is against policy and training.
2) It is clear from the direction of her front wheel that she was turning away from the officer, not trying to hit him. If I saw an agent pointing a gun directly at me, with such rage, my instinct would be to try to get out of the way as well. He shot so quickly that there is no way his orders could have been clear.
3) Repeat point #1--he got directly in front of the car, which is absolutely idiotic.
4) The agents were giving conflicting orders, one telling her to get out of the way, another telling her to stop
5) The agent who aggressively pulled at her door created an unnecessary escalation (they had her license plate; they could have located her afterwards).
6) If the guy was hit, it was a slight brush. As you mention, the way he walked away with zero limp shows he was not even bruised.
7) He showed complete recklessness with those shots. Can you imagine if her child were still in the car? I also saw a bystander who was on the other side of the car; she could easily have been hit.

A bunch of ego-driven goons with zero professionalism or adequate training. They acted more like an angry mob than any of the protestors.

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valleyrogue

(2,587 posts)
102. The video, especially the one that is slow-motion, makes it more clear.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:58 PM
Yesterday

The murderer got out of the way and went to the side and continued to shoot.

There is no dispute here that he committed a mob-style hit. He was in NO danger whatsoever.

gulliver

(13,719 posts)
105. She should have complied with orders
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 03:45 PM
Yesterday

In the picture, the wheels appear to be turned. That's true. But the ICE officer in question would not be able to see that. And that's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what the people in the picture did or didn't know about each other.

There seems to be a natural, "commonsense" view that everyone should have been able to reasonably know what everyone else was thinking and going to do. In that view, the ICE officer should have reasonably assumed that the non-compliant protester was "just" trying to flee and was not going to run him (or others downstream of him) over, whether recklessly or intentionally. Also in that view, the protester should have reasonably assumed she wouldn't be shot for not complying with orders and trying to escape, whether she accidentally, briefly drove "glancingly" in the direction of an armed officer or not. Unfortunately, those "commonsense" views are wrong.

Things happen fast in real time, and then they replay multiple times in slow motion in hindsight. For a confrontation like this, the set of possible outcomes (many tragic) grows dramatically when people don't do straightforward, automatic things like ordering someone out of their vehicle and complying with the order. That's what should have happened this time.


Callie1979

(1,150 posts)
107. The actual shooter WAS in front to start with
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 04:24 PM
Yesterday

The first shot went thru the windshield.
But he had ample time to move & she was turning & you're trained to NOT stand in front of a vehicle.
The worst that could've happened to him was a foot being run over but he certainly wasnt hopping around.

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