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Spoke on background with two attorneys who have defended officer involved shootings.
Both have always taken their cases to trial.
After reviewing the events today, both said if it were their client they’d advise:
-Seek a plea deal
-Be willing to plead guilty to a lesser crime or a lower sentence
-Accept anything that isn’t de jure LWOP (life with out parole)
In other words, the guys who defend police officers shooting for a living, think this case is unwinnable.
They would try to defend his actions, they’d just try and lower the impact of the outcome.
Their main sticking point were:
-“I could argue shot number one and hope for an acquittal or a hung jury - but I can’t get there on shots 2 and 3”
-“A jury will not get passed the turning of the wheels”
-“Denying medics throws self defense out the window”
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SheltieLover
(76,860 posts)
EdmondDantes_
(1,384 posts)He's not going to face federal charges under the Trump administration and I suspect Trump will do a mass pardon before leaving office (unless he has that overdue stroke/heart attack).
Besides, the death penalty is a bad thing.
Moostache
(10,983 posts)I would want this scumbag to become VERY well acquainted with what prison life can be like. Death penalty is mercy. He deserves the same amount of mercy he provided and not one ounce more.
SheltieLover
(76,860 posts)
COL Mustard
(7,994 posts)Please do not do that.
Ocelot II
(129,109 posts)that would be the likely result. But they will be protected by the Trump regime, probably pardoned if they are ever prosecuted in federal court. If the state of Minnesota tries to prosecute them on state murder or manslaughter charges as in the George Floyd case, the regime will assert exclusive federal jurisdiction to be sure that doesn't happen.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)The federal government can not prevent a state from filing charges for a violation of state laws. This guy will be indicted. guaranteed.
Ocelot II
(129,109 posts)I suppose the BCA could conduct its own separate investigation, but important evidence collected at the scene is now under the exclusive control of Patel's FBI. As a practical matter the state has been cut off.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)The federal government may try to prevent it, but they will not succeed.
Ocelot II
(129,109 posts)I expect that the Trump regime to claim that the incident related to the enforcement of immigration laws, which are areas of exclusive federal jurisdiction. Combined with the fact that the FBI has taken all the on-scene evidence relating to the actions of the agents away from the BCA, a state court prosecution will be difficult. I hope they do it, but I'm not hopeful that they will succeed.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)If Minnesota charged the agent, he could seek to move the case to federal court and argue he is immune from prosecution.
To prevail, the state would have to show the actions were outside his official duties or were objectively unreasonable or clearly unlawful.
The actions were clearly NOT necessary and proper. They violate Federal law enforcement proceures. It's a slam dunk for the state to show that the actions were unreasonable and clearly unlawful.
The state of Minnesota will NOT let this guy get away with it. They will definitely charge him. What happens after that remains to be seen. A judge may rule he has immunity (though I suspect the vast majority of judges including Republican appointees would rule against him). A jury could acquit him, though that is unlikely as well. But, I'm not predicting the ultimate outcome, just that the State of Minnesota will definitely bring charges against him. They have no choice. The guy committed cold blooded murder captured on video.
A top state law enforcement official said Thursday that federal agencies were denying Minnesota investigators access to evidence from a fatal shooting by an immigration enforcement officer the day before, preventing them from participating in the inquiry into an incident that officials have described in starkly different terms.
Drew Evans, the superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, said on Thursday that his agency had withdrawn from the investigation of the death of Renee Nicole Good, 37, as a result.
“Without complete access to the evidence, witnesses and information collected, we cannot meet the investigative standards that Minnesota law and the public demands,” Mr. Evans said in a statement. Representatives of the F.B.I. and the federal prosecutor’s office in Minnesota did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
The development was the latest move in an escalating clash between state and federal officials, which has been building for weeks over immigration enforcement operations and fraud investigations in Minnesota, and boiled over after the killing of Ms. Good in her vehicle. https://apnews.com/article/ice-shooting-minneapolis-minnesota-9aa822670b705c89906f2c699f1d16c5
in2herbs
(4,239 posts)a federal case or state case? I can see Noem keeping it federal (DOJ).
COL Mustard
(7,994 posts)Inquiring minds want to know, and so do I!
Ocelot II
(129,109 posts)The bullshit claim that it was Rene Good's fault for intentionally trying to run down the ICE officers. The videos show that's clearly false, but are you going to believe the Regime or your lying eyes?
edhopper
(37,079 posts)probably not even arrested. Noem and Trump will protect him.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)and Trump cant pardon him. He will be indicted soon.
wiggs
(8,684 posts)can start investigations into mortgage fraud for local police and prosecutors. Like he's doing on Colorado, he can pardon the ICE thug and demand local pardon. He can trash the election for next governor and try to replace Walz w a stooge. He can provide the thug w best defense attorneys and poison/delay the trial. Evidence can be lost. He can cause even more chaos in MN to distract. He can cause even more chaos in the world...and a war-time potus can gather even more support and power than usual.
We are dealing with a ruthless, sociopathic mobster. No reason to think he'll follow the rules. We are dealing with someone who has and will cause deaths of hundreds of thousands (millions, more likely) in the US and globally with his policies and actions. Trillions of dollars and global reorganization are in play. Crushing resistance is an every-day task, regardless of perception. Crushing is as much the point as the policy.
He doesn't care about this individual thug or the thug's victim...he doesn't want his ICE program to be trashed in MSM and open court.
wiggs
(8,684 posts)face some sort of justice....then the fact that hope exists will become an opportunity for TSF to once again defeat hope and make the hierarchy clear.
The iconic image of a govt boot on the neck of a regular comes to mind. The opportunity for boot domination is like oxygen for these guys.
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wiggs
(8,684 posts)wiggs
(8,684 posts)orangecrush
(28,416 posts)Hopefully she will enjoy the remainder of her miserable life in prison.
misanthrope
(9,380 posts)Trump is a mobster. A mobster who runs the law enforcement and jury-rigs the government.
GusBob
(8,132 posts)the FBI is blocking state investigators
and the FBI is investigating the protestors now
Ed's right, the shooter is gonna skate free
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)orangecrush
(28,416 posts)IbogaProject
(5,622 posts)So I fear this thug will get away without us even knowing their name.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)It may take a little time, but it will happen.
Billsdaughter
(129 posts)The saddest and most tragic aspect is the US Attorney, at the direction of the USAG, will remove any State criminal action to the federal level and then dismiss.
He will get away with this. Period. Full stop.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)If Minnesota charged the agent, he could seek to move the case to federal court and argue he is immune from prosecution.
To prevail, the state would have to show the actions were outside his official duties or were objectively unreasonable or clearly unlawful.
The actions were clearly NOT necessary and proper. They violate Federal law enforcement proceures. It's a slam dunk for the state to show that the actions were unreasonable and clearly unlawful.
The state of Minnesota will NOT let this guy get away with it. They will definitely charge him. What happens after that remains to be seen. A judge may rule he has immunity (though I suspect the vast majority of judges including Republican appointees would rule against him). A jury could acquit him, though that is unlikely as well. But, I'm not predicting the ultimate outcome, just that the State of Minnesota will definitely bring charges against him. They have no choice. The guy committed cold blooded murder captured on video.
in2herbs
(4,239 posts)in2herbs
(4,239 posts)under state law. And, in order for the feds to dismiss they first have to charge.
in2herbs
(4,239 posts)any state prosecution away.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)necessary and proper.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/can-ice-agent-who-shot-minneapolis-woman-be-prosecuted-2026-01-08/
If Minnesota charged the agent, he could seek to move the case to federal court and argue he is immune from prosecution.
To prevail, the state would have to show the actions were outside his official duties or were objectively unreasonable or clearly unlawful.
The actions were clearly NOT necessary and proper. They violate Federal law enforcement procedures. It's a slam dunk for the state to show that the actions were unreasonable and clearly unlawful.
The state of Minnesota will NOT let this guy get away with it. They will definitely charge him. What happens after that remains to be seen. A judge may rule he has immunity (though I suspect the vast majority of judges including Republican appointees would rule against him). A jury could acquit him, though that is unlikely as well. But, I'm not predicting the ultimate outcome, just that the State of Minnesota will definitely bring charges against him. They have no choice. The guy committed cold blooded murder captured on video.
edhopper
(37,079 posts)a deep Red State that will not send him to Minn. IF they find him.
Wiz Imp
(9,006 posts)And it was the guy identified by myself and others from the videos. It was so obvious.
https://www.fox9.com/news/ice-officer-minneapolis-shootig-identified
MINNEAPOLIS (FOX 9) - The ICE officer who fatally shot 37-year-old Renee Good in Minneapolis on Wednesday has been identified as Jonathan Ross, who was the same officer who was dragged 50 yards in Bloomington back in June 2025.
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FakeNoose
(40,196 posts)... in Minnesota and not by feds. Let the state of Minnesota handle this.
gab13by13
(31,244 posts)These goons are not Local or State law enforcement officers. Real police officers have schooling and training and rules and laws to abide by.
We don't even know who these goons work for, all it says is POLICE on their uniforms. They may be under HSI but that makes no sense.
Someone high up approved sending rogue militias into our streets.
Ocelot II
(129,109 posts)ICE is recruiting just about anybody with a pulse in order to satisfy Stephen Miller's demand that 3,000 people are to be detained and deported every day. As a result ICE is populated by a lot of minimally-vetted low-lifes, J6 pardonees, violent white supremacists, and thugs who couldn't get a respectable job elsewhere, and because ICE Barbie wants them in the field ASAP they are poorly trained in law enforcement policies and procedures. So both things are probably true: that they were real ICE agents and that they weren't real police officers.
gab13by13
(31,244 posts)saying they are even trying to train them in policies and procedures.
I see they are even swapping out rental car license plates, my guess is they were trained to do that.
Ocelot II
(129,109 posts)They might have had to watch a Powerpoint presentation that included topics like how to use zip ties and pepper spray and how to holster their weapon without shooting their dicks off.
Zackzzzz
(263 posts)hanging off of their bodies, grinding people into the ground,
shoving their targets faces into hot asphalt, concrete, or snow.
They seem to be trying to remove arms from sockets.
Later, that day, they grabbed someone at the school,
who had his arms up in the air.
It could have been a simple arrest.
But they shoved him down into the snow.
I really think they want to leave a mark.
There was a whole group of thugs on this fellow.
It looked like a vicious pack of wolves.
COL Mustard
(7,994 posts)He had a rotating license plate holder. Of course, he also had an oil dispenser, a fog machine and machine guns, if I remember correctly.
I need a car like that.
ScratchCat
(2,688 posts)Re-watch the video and time it out.
It appears that approx. 4 seconds elapse from the time the agent exits the Nissan Truck until he is grabbing at her door and then trying to grab into the vehicle. He's moving quickly in an aggressive manor.
It appears that approx. 3-4 additional seconds elapse before the officer who came from the SUV opens fire.
So in the course of 7 to 8 seconds, three ICE agents turn a situation of a car stopped in a road into a homicide. Seven seconds, folks.
I watched numerous LEO experts last night and one even read from the DHS manual and everything the agents did was against their training and requirements. You can't open a door; You can't reach into the window; you can't place yourself in front of the vehicle to justify deadly force; you can't shoot at a fleeing vehicle unless the perp is a "fleeing felon" and there is a clear threat to the community. She was stopped in the road. It doesn't matter why. They had no reason to approach the vehicle in that manner.
Further, every State in the union has laws against obstructing medical and fire personnel. Its a crime. In every State. Refusing the plain clothes man who was saying he was a doctor is one thing. Refusing to move their vehicles so that the EMT's could get to the woman is likely a violation of State law.
underpants
(194,947 posts)Here’s John Miller reading the DHS policy which I think you referenced
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220919639
duckworth969
(1,197 posts)If this gets to trial (haha) or an investigation, the shooter is real trouble.
Then there’s civil prosecution. With those pictures of him, he will be identified.
EdmondDantes_
(1,384 posts)Not that I think the first shot was justifiable, but I would have expected that training would say shoot until you're sure the threat is over. And with the car speeding off (due to the idiotic, murderous, criminal actions of the ICE agent) I would have guessed that would be easier to claim as understandable.
But I'm not a lawyer, so I will defer to those with experience in that. Either way, still murder
GusBob
(8,132 posts)" be prepared to do time"