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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe ICE Agent must be identified
EDITED TO ADD: His MASKED Face is all over my social media; any representations of this agent WITHOUT the mask are AI generated. But there are still features showing that could allow him to be properly identified by someone familiar with him.
First and foremost - no one is trying to promote any type of vigilante action. But I will not rest until this man is identified. He deserves to have his side of the story heard. He deserves legal counsel. He deserves to present evidence in his defense. He deserves a fair, legal and correct investigation. He deserves all of the legal remedies available to an American citizen.
But he does NOT deserve to shrink away in the night and not be held accountable AT ALL for killing another American citizen. No other law enforcement agent would be afforded anonymity and this dude is no better or no less than all of the others.
His face is all over social media. Someone knows who he is. These people are not ghosts. They have families. They have lives. They have schedules. They have bank accounts. They have to go get a haircut. They have to get groceries. They have to show up for work somewhere. He has a past.
He must be identified and held accountable - again, all legally and appropriately. But he cannot be allowed to be forgotten and not face justice, and at this time, I don't see any real efforts by anyone in authority to try to identify him.
We are at the tipping point here.
Blues Heron
(8,394 posts)in2herbs
(4,242 posts)hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)I am not buying the "they aren't LETTING us" excuses. State and local authorities need to by god FIND a way. Circumvent the barriers being put in their path. DO IT!
As another poster suggested in another thread - there is plenty of evidence to start an investigation. Eye witness accounts, videos, etc.
So start there and work backwards.
mjvpi
(1,878 posts)From the start of this ICE madness, its been obvious what and who they need to protect them from.
TheRickles
(3,173 posts)hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)n/t
Edit: I took the link down, looks like the man's face was AI generated.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not see this agent remove his mask during any of the video. I believe the pictures of him without the mask are AI generated. They are probably close to accurate, but I want this to be legitimate when he is identified.
mjvpi
(1,878 posts).was to pull it up as witnesses started yelling shame.
sop
(17,465 posts)It very well could be AI, the facial features look a bit peculiar, perhaps a little too sharp, but I don't know enough about the technology to say.
TheRickles
(3,173 posts)hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)We want this done right. As I said in the OP, we want the shooter to receive all of the defenses that he is entitled to. We just don't want Rene Good to be pushed aside and forgotten without any accountability. I think we are all on the same page with that.
EarlG
(23,374 posts)At no point did the ICE agent remove his mask.
2naSalit
(100,071 posts)Take it over and run interference to make it as hard as possible to prosecute.
Coventina
(29,172 posts)mjvpi
(1,878 posts)He should receive all of the legal guarantees under our system of justice, but that starts by identifying that MF.
When there is verified information about the person who committed this murder from a legitimate news source, that is fair game for posting. But please do not post anyone's personal information on DU for the purposes of doxxing them.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)He's been identified by a reputable news source, that is, if People and others are considered a reputable news source.
Now, we need to know about this person and what kind of an individual participates in these raids, etc. I think we could learn a lot about the mentality.
And once more, loudly from the back - by all LEGAL means.
EarlG
(23,374 posts)If you're referring to the images discussed here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1lzvyjm3vet?post=asset%3Ae0cd87ae-cc87-4101-a36a-8afcd5686500#post
"At no point in the footage reviewed by BBC Verify does this agent remove his mask, but screenshots of him have been fed into AI-generation tools in an effort to identify him."
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)See my reply #6. I am aware of the AI stuff.
The image of him WITH THE MASK is all over my social media feed. There are still features visible that might allow someone familiar with this individual to identify him.
mjvpi
(1,878 posts)These ICE agents are obviously not well trained, heavily armed and scared shitless as they are tasked with morally outrageous acts.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)I saw video that was purported to be after the body had been removed. This video literally showed two, masked ICE agents slapping one another on the back.
Can you imagine a professional law enforcement officer doing that at a crime scene?
mjvpi
(1,878 posts)AllyCat
(18,530 posts)With a vehicle. He had another one in June after he got mad the driver wasnt rolling his window down all the way. So he broke the back window, unlocked the driver side door, and got dragged as the terrified driver tried to leave.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)Has his identity been confirmed? And he had done this before? SMH...
EdmondDantes_
(1,386 posts)We have the Trump administration's word for that and they aren't known for being truthful.
Dave Bowman
(6,683 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(10,204 posts)Tipping into... what?
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)You don't agree? And you may say that we were already there. Point given. But this is complete and utter confirmation of that.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,204 posts)It is just kind of exasperating to read people talking about 'tipping points' and pots 'boiling over' and yet... no definitive reaction to what is going on has happened.
That is why I asked that question. Because so many don't seem to understand that the 'tip' has already occurred and we now need to try and reset the pot on the stove.
We are already covered in what was in the pot. Time to clean it all off. Which takes concerted effort.
I hope we can do it.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)I hope we can do it, too. But I just don't see much to make me have a lot of optimism. I'd love to be completely wrong. I'd stand up from the roof top and confess my mistake if things would just go back to a reasonable degree of normal.
We are all stressed out and hurting, and that's not a healthy way to live.
KPN
(17,145 posts)kbowman
(12 posts)We don't need to approach this like Madame Defarge in Tale of Two Cities, but we do need to keep evidence in the form of videos, photos, names when possible etc so that when Dems get back in charge of things we start to hold these people accountable for their actions. Don't trust that an online presence is enough. Oligarchs are trying to take over news media and more. They will remove content when it is not in their or their friend's favor. Share your information and evidence with people you trust and preserve it.
JoseBalow
(9,179 posts)AStern
(693 posts)AllyCat
(18,530 posts)Johnathan Ross, an experienced thug.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)Thank you. I feel a slight bit better now, at least.
BlueKentuckyGirl
(522 posts)His name is Jonathan Ross.
hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)This looks legitimate.
Now, let me see him brought to justice. Looks like he was trigger happy possibly because of a past situation. So, maybe he should NOT have been back on duty.
AllyCat
(18,530 posts)hamsterjill
(17,051 posts)Both mentally and physically. So which is it? He screwed up? Or his superiors screwed up? Could be both, but it can't be neither.
Dawgman49
(274 posts)If he is identified, theyre already laying the groundwork
local law enforcement barred from getting any evidence as the fbi is taking over.. more lies and gaslighting
already blaming the victim
waiting to see him portrayed as a victim of radical left extremism..and a true patriot
who knows, maybe the medal of freedom from the dictator
Vance has just claimed that he has absolute immunity as part of the dictators immunity
Munu
(102 posts)Interesting bit: