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Jersey Devil

(10,740 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 12:48 PM Thursday

How can FBI block state investigation?

There may be immunity for federal officers from criminal prosecution if acting within the scope of their duties, but I know of no law that would prevent the State of Minnesota from investigating the incident or demanding that the FBI give them access to evidence that would allow them to investigate (such as ballistics, etc). Minn should continue its investigation even if it has to bring the feds to court to demand access to the evidence.

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Wiz Imp

(9,021 posts)
2. Agreed. I can't see the State of Minnesota letting them get away with it.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 12:55 PM
Thursday

Besides, all the evidence that is needed that this was murder is the videos.

yaesu

(9,017 posts)
4. Fascists can do anything they want, they make the rules, laws up as they go
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 01:02 PM
Thursday

There is no firewall in place to stop them it would seem.

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,078 posts)
5. Prof. Vladeck-The One First "Long Read": The Limits of Supremacy Clause Immunity
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:22 PM
Thursday

There is NO absolute immunity.

Today's "One First" explains why Stephen Miller is wrong that ICE officers have "federal immunity" from prosecution for all actions they take in their official duties, and that anyone attempting to prosecute them is committing a felony.

Supremacy Clause immunity is a thing, but it's *not* absolute:

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-10-27T11:34:07.822Z

https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/186-when-can-states-prosecute-federal

The doctrine that is today known as “Supremacy Clause immunity” has its origins in an 1890 Supreme Court decision I’ve written about before—In re Neagle, which arose out of the attempted assassination of Justice Stephen Field. In Neagle, the Supreme Court held that California could not prosecute David Neagle (who had been deputized as a federal marshal to protect Field) for shooting and killing Field’s would-be assassin, even though, unbeknownst to Neagle, the victim was unarmed when he was killed. As the Court explained:

If the prisoner is held in the state court to answer for an act which he was authorized to do by the law of the United States, which it was his duty to do as [a federal officer] of the United States, and if in doing that act he did no more that what was necessary and proper for him to do, he cannot be guilty of a crime under the law[s] of the [state]. When these things are shown, it is established that he is innocent of any crime against the laws of the state, or of any other authority whatever. There is no occasion for any further trial in the state court, or in any court.


.......But what is clear is that Miller is wrong. Even at its most robust, Supremacy Clause immunity would not preclude a local or state prosecution of ICE officers for all scope-of-employment conduct. The question would turn, at least under Judge McConnell’s approach, on whether the officer “had an objectively reasonable and well-founded basis to believe that his actions were necessary to fulfill his duties.” That analysis may well come out in the officer’s favor in the mine run of cases. But it wouldn’t (and, historically, hasn’t) in all of them.1

To be sure, I still believe that the specter of criminal prosecutions, even by local or state officials, is a woefully inadequate deterrent for misconduct by federal law enforcement officers. Among lots of other things, there is plenty of law enforcement conduct that would constitute a violation of the Constitution but not of any state criminal statutes. Criminal prosecutions are for a subset of unlawful federal law enforcement activity—albeit the most important subset.

Still, two things can be true at once: There ought to be even more pathways for holding federal officers who violate our rights accountable; and local and state criminal prosecutions, in at least some cases, are not remotely foreclosed—so that state officers who seek to pursue such cases in good faith are not committing any crimes under federal law. There may be political reasons why local or state prosecutors will be wary of bringing such cases. But—and I know this is a shock—the relevant law is far more permissive when it comes to the ability to hold federal officers accountable than Stephen Miller would have you believe.

The ICE agent can and will tried in state court

ScratchCat

(2,688 posts)
6. They can't
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:30 PM
Thursday

And Waltz and Ellison are going to have to act shortly. The agent committed homicide, which is a State crime. Nobody but the State has jurisdiction in investigating a crime. The FBI can conduct a joint investigation if they choose. This wasn't a Federal agent acting in a federal law enforcement capacity and shooting a suspect. They were driving down a public road and encountered a person in a vehicle in the road who was not alleged to be involved in any type of crime. This is 100% why they are pulling the "terrorist" nonsense because there was no legal reason for the agents to approach the vehicle in that manor and they don't have local law enforcement powers(they can't ticket someone for blocking the roadway, etc.). They are inventing a justification for something that would not have been justifiable by any LEO agency investigating this woman for being in the roadway. No court is going to allow the "terrorist" claim to be used as justification. The actions and words of the three agents clearly indicate they didn't see the woman as a "terrorist" or they wouldn't have approached the vehicle in that manner. And as many keep pointing out, the agent who killed her was videoing her vehicle three seconds before he opened fire.

maxrandb

(17,173 posts)
7. Because the Retrumplicans are such great supporters of "state's rights"??
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:44 PM
Thursday

I'm surprised their heads don't automatically get sucked up their asses by the vacuum their hypocrisy creates.

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,846 posts)
8. Funny how the GOP has a cafeteria-style mindset on States rights. One day it's on the plate, another day, not.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 03:04 PM
Thursday
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