I just saw the video that the Magats are saying shows the office was hit/run over

[Beaverhausen]

I can't post or link it but it's in a thread on Ilan Omar's Facebook account.

What I see on that video is the officer is hit AFTER the gunshots.

Good's vehicle sped off after she was shot and it does look like one officer was struck.



EDIT: I just want to first thank those who have posted other videos below that are more clear and easily show what really happened.

I am not in any way saying she deliberately hit the Ice guy or even that he was hit very hard. Just want to make sure that is clear.

[walkingman]

1. Nothing new- we have become a police state and not many seem to care.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Because she was dead

And so of course after he murdered her, she slumped over and the car went out of control.

So big wow if he got hurt. It was a self-inflicted wound. If he hadn't murdered her - the car wouldn't have gone out of control.

And no - I'm not 'innocent until proven guilty' when it's Blackshirts/a Presidential Paramilitary Organization.

[mjvpi]

6. Exactly. I am innocent until proven guilty, but I have seen the video with my own eyes.

In my mind, he, sure as shit looks guilty.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. No one questions

Nazi SS - how are these thugs any different?

[valleyrogue]

26. He wasn't hurt throughout the time he killed her, before or after. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

32. the longer

They protect him - the angrier the population is going to get.


Me - I'm beyond livid. Everything from the Regime is a lie. Everything.

[valleyrogue]

38. Exactly. Instead of simply saying "no comment," Trump and Noem lied right out of the gate.

Not one word of what they said about this murder is true. Not one word.

[pwb]

3. All that riot gear and these guys still are sensitive snowflakes.

You touched me and I got scared for my safety they say.
Tough guys eh?

[mjvpi]

9. ICE agents are not properly trained, heavily armed and scared shitless as they are ordered to carry out these raids.

[maxsolomon]

15. I believe they are fed BS about Antifa and Socialists and Leftist violence

during their inadequate training. The threat to officers from the public is greatly exaggerated.

[mjvpi]

18. No doubt. Then it's an "us against the world" brotherhood.

Next we’ll find out that they are all taking meth or Adderall to get up for their raids. Steroids etc.

[CrispyQ]

35. You forgot angry. They are angry & they want to kill.

They are looking for a reason to inflict harm. They want to do violence. I am more afraid of the angry white men in our country than any other group right now. They are reacting poorly to their increasing irrelevance. The rich ones calling the shots seem to believe we can ignore the laws of nature. Apparently they'd rather be kings of a pile of rubbish than share a good thing.

[Torchlight]

4. I'd imagine it's difficult to keep a car under control after the driver is shot dead.

[vapor2]

5. Altho mega believes otherwise, congrats to the person who took this video

[gAI Obsession]

14. ALTHOUGH

[intheflow]

43. Good god.

Did you understand what the post you replied to said? I assume you did, because you chose to emphasize a mispelling over content, and maybe try to embarrass the poster? English is ever-evolving, and what's slang today will be standard tomorrow. Altho I dont expect u 2 agree w/me.

[EarlG]

7. From one angle it doesn't look as if the car hits the ICE agent, but

from another angle, it looks like he kinda bounces off it as it pulls away.

Either way, the agent could have easily avoided being hit by the car if he wasn't busy pulling his gun out and shooting the driver.

I think this is relevant:

DHS policy "generally" prohibits ICE agents from discharging firearms for the purpose of disabling a moving vehicle. However, the policy includes an exception for when the subject in a moving vehicle is "threatening deadly force" with the vehicle or by other means. This exception states agents should only discharge their firearm when "no other objectively reasonable means of defense is available."

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/can-ice-agents-shoot-moving-vehicles-yes-no

The agent clearly had another objectively reasonable means of defense -- simply stepping out of the way. Instead, he took the time to pull out his gun and aim it, putting himself in danger.

[valleyrogue]

21. He wasn't hit. There were two agents. The killer wasn't hit or hurt at all. n/t

[EarlG]

45. I just saw the NYT analysis of the videos

They synced the two videos together and you’re right — the officer was not struck by the vehicle.

[Blues Heron]

8. What part of his body got hit in your opinion

[Ms. Toad]

12. hip/low mid-section. n/t

[Blues Heron]

22. I thought if anything his left leg as he was jumping back, hard to see though. Whatever it was he stayed upright

[Ms. Toad]

31. Definitely stayed upright.

I think he momentarily slipped on ice with his left foot as he was being pushed back.

He regained it extremely quickly, which emphasized how insignificant a threat the car was, and how minimal the contact.

[Ms. Toad]

10. Watch again in slow motion (25%).

You'll see the car just start to move. The thug who shot her is in front of the car leaning over it, and the car appears to shove him slightly (even though his feet slide a bit on the ice is is still able to maintain his balance), he fires off the first shot, the car speeds up, and he fires the 2nd and 3rd shot through the window.

I'm not claiming the shooting was justified - the idiot walked in front of a car with a driver in it as it was being surrounded by ICE - with two other thugs approaching the door of the car to pull her out. Clearly not a smart move. He clearly wasn't injured by any contact. And he could clearly have continued his path toward the driver's side of the door had he not decided to stop and aim his gun at her.

The only dispute is the timing. He was slightly in front of her car both when he fired the first shot and when the car started moving forward and to his right.

Here's the video that I'm pretty sure you're referring to.

&t=6s

[Kingofalldems]

16. Camera too far to tell.

Don't know why you keep claiming he was hit.

Other video shows zero contact.

[Ms. Toad]

25. Because I have eyes?

And I'm not in favor of ignoring uncomfortable realities. The other vehicle shows feet and head/shoulders, not the midsection, which is where the contact occurs.

[Beaverhausen]

17. Yes that first video is the one that I was talking about

And to be clear I'm not in any way saying that she deliberately hit the officer or that he was even hit hard enough to knock him down. I had just wanted to find this "other video" that was being discussed.

[hamsterjill]

23. The New York Times piece posted elsewhere explains this and corrects it.

The agent was not hit. Have you seen the NYT frame-by-frame analysis?

[sinkingfeeling]

30. The Washington Post also states he was not hit.

[hamsterjill]

34. Thank you.

I'd not see that one, so thanks for letting me know.

[Ms. Toad]

47. That one doesn't review the one from the front perspective.

Analyzing only the single video, I initially reached the same conclusion. It was only when I saw the second conclusion, then went back and looked at them together, that it is clear to me that there was contact between the car and the shooter (could well be because he was leaning on it to take aim), then it started to move.

It was not dangerous contact (until he killed her and let a driverless car loose). If he went to the hospital, it was just for show. He walked around the scene for a few minutes, not limping, not doubling over in pain, he didn't have any of the physical protective reaction that most people would have with even a minor tap with a car.

He put himself in danger by walking in front the car (by walking around the front of the car when he could see the two other agents were about to try to pull her out of the car).

[Ms. Toad]

46. Yes.

And my frame-by-frame review of the video from the front perspective doesn't match with theirs. They acknowledged that "And it’s true that at this moment, in this grainy, low-resolution footage, it does look like the agent is being struck by the SUV." They ultimately concluded, "we can see the agent is not being run over."

There is a significant difference between saying there was no contact between the agent and the car, and the agent was not being run over. I completely agree he was not run over. I also completely agree that his feet were not in the path of the vehicle. Neither rules out there not being contact in the mid-section, which is what is clear to me from the video, especially when I slow the only video which shows his midsection down to quarter speed.

[AStern]

29. Why are you defending that blood thirsty asshole?

Who most likely has been waiting his whole life to shoot and kill someone?

[Ms. Toad]

41. Please point out any post in which I've defended him.

Discussing what can objectively seen in videos is not defending him. A defense would be to use what can be seen in the video to justify what he did, by saying he was afraid for his life, or that she was deliberately trying to hit him.

Absolutely nothing I've said in any of my posts even comes close to defending him. The closest I've come is to suggest that from a legal standpoint, if the car did come in contact with him, it will make the legal case harder to prosecute. That's just reality - and any prosecution which ignores the second video due so at the risk of letting him go free.

[EdmondDantes_]

42. She isn't. Literally says the shooting wasn't justified

[Wiz Imp]

11. A woman named Brenna Perez broke it down frame by frame

You can see that both of his feet are to the left of her front left tire as he shoots. (starts around the 30 second mark) If there was any contact with the car, it was because he was leaning over it. The video shows her clearly turning the wheels to avoid th murderer.

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

This video needs to be spread far and wide.

[Beaverhausen]

19. Thank you for that.

[Ms. Toad]

27. I've watched the video.

It doesn't take into account the other viewpoint, which shows things which are hidden by a second thug in the analyzed video.

The issue isn't his feet - it is his midsection, which is hidden in this video.

[intheflow]

44. Hire fat ICE goons who cry when their blubber is hit.

"Do you know how many beers it took to get this bod?"

[Wiz Imp]

48. OMG. If the guys feet are clear of the vehicle then he was clear of the vehicle.

If there was contact, HE INITIATED It by leaning over it. She had already turned the wheels of the car to the right to avoid the guy. If she was trying to run him over, she never would have done that. WHy you would try to argue with that is completely baffling. I never thought I'd see people here making excuses for a murderer.

[Ms. Toad]

49. That's such a silly statement.

Every part of the body is in the same space as the feet?

His mid-section is completely hidden from view in the one video, and it is in contact with the car in the other view (regardless of where his feet are).

I have said absolutely nothing which suggests she intended to run over him. He chose to walk in front of her car. He chose to stop while he was still in the path of her vehicle and point the gun at her. She was trying to get away. None of that is inconsistent with the vehicle making contact with him.

Making observations about what is objectively in a video which shows the front view of the car has zero to do with making excuses for a murderer.

[valleyrogue]

20. That killer was not hit.

It is there on the video or videos as plain as day. He was out strutting around like he was the king rooster.

[Duncan Grant]

24. He briskly sashayed his ample ass down the street after he murdered her.

That sick f*ck strutted around that street, up and back, with no injury at all. He wasn’t hit. He wasn’t hospitalized. He wasn’t injured.

[surfered]

28. The "agent" that was allegedly "run over" walked to the car of the victim he just shot, then walked back to his car.

He showed no signs of injury or pain.

[thomski64]

33. you misspelled maggot..

[Klarkashton]

36. Nobody got run over

[scipan]

37. Slow motion and zoomed in video, from behind:

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/QtbE3jBj6D

He was on the left front of the car which went in reverse with wheels turned left then took out his gun as she turned her wheels right and shifted to drive. He was clear of her when he fired the first shot.

[yaesu]

39. There were one or two RW nuts on DU saying the same thing last night. nt

[Ilsa]

40. Bookmarking. K&R. nt