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riversedge

(79,488 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:11 PM Thursday

Vance: ICE agent as "absolute immunity" in the shooting. .......

This is on msNOW right now.

OK. seems ICE can do Anything they want--. whow whow.

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Coventina

(29,172 posts)
1. If that creep gets a pass than he SHOULD get doxxed permanently and with extreme prejudice!
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:14 PM
Thursday

Not HERE at DU, per admin rules, but everywhere on social and mainstream media.

Never give that guy a moment's rest or a job for the rest of his life!

May all of his loved ones abandon him for their own peace of mind!



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riversedge

(79,488 posts)
10. Vance -via Trump does believe he can proclaim the ICE officer to be Not guilty! I saw one
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:29 PM
Thursday

video of the officer having his gun lifted out of it holster as he was looking at the women as he was standing in Front of her car. He was NOT looking at the wheels turning AWAY from him.

I also read that the state laws say never to go in front of a vehicle to try to stop it. But of course since the FBI has taken over the case, it seems that State laws do NOT apply.

Bettie

(19,287 posts)
8. Add "no consequences" to the fact that they
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:22 PM
Thursday

selected for the most violent element in our society and this is a recipe for disaster.

We're likely to see more outright murders just because they were angry or they're trying to impress their superiors with high body counts. If they know that they can kill whoever they want to, whenever they want to...it will get ugly.

I was on Facebook recently and boy howdy, far too many people in Iowa (where I live) are horrible, horrible people. They rejoiced in the death of Ms. Good and expressed a desire for more "libs" to be murdered by ICE.

Irish_Dem

(79,882 posts)
12. Yes complete immunity from all legal consequences would be tempting even for decent people.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:38 PM
Thursday

But for criminals, psychopaths, lack of moral core people it is irresistible.

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,017 posts)
4. Prof. Vladeck-The One First "Long Read": The Limits of Supremacy Clause Immunity
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:16 PM
Thursday

There is NO absolute immunity.

Today's "One First" explains why Stephen Miller is wrong that ICE officers have "federal immunity" from prosecution for all actions they take in their official duties, and that anyone attempting to prosecute them is committing a felony.

Supremacy Clause immunity is a thing, but it's *not* absolute:

Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2025-10-27T11:34:07.822Z

https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/186-when-can-states-prosecute-federal

The doctrine that is today known as “Supremacy Clause immunity” has its origins in an 1890 Supreme Court decision I’ve written about before—In re Neagle, which arose out of the attempted assassination of Justice Stephen Field. In Neagle, the Supreme Court held that California could not prosecute David Neagle (who had been deputized as a federal marshal to protect Field) for shooting and killing Field’s would-be assassin, even though, unbeknownst to Neagle, the victim was unarmed when he was killed. As the Court explained:

If the prisoner is held in the state court to answer for an act which he was authorized to do by the law of the United States, which it was his duty to do as [a federal officer] of the United States, and if in doing that act he did no more that what was necessary and proper for him to do, he cannot be guilty of a crime under the law[s] of the [state]. When these things are shown, it is established that he is innocent of any crime against the laws of the state, or of any other authority whatever. There is no occasion for any further trial in the state court, or in any court.


.......But what is clear is that Miller is wrong. Even at its most robust, Supremacy Clause immunity would not preclude a local or state prosecution of ICE officers for all scope-of-employment conduct. The question would turn, at least under Judge McConnell’s approach, on whether the officer “had an objectively reasonable and well-founded basis to believe that his actions were necessary to fulfill his duties.” That analysis may well come out in the officer’s favor in the mine run of cases. But it wouldn’t (and, historically, hasn’t) in all of them.1

To be sure, I still believe that the specter of criminal prosecutions, even by local or state officials, is a woefully inadequate deterrent for misconduct by federal law enforcement officers. Among lots of other things, there is plenty of law enforcement conduct that would constitute a violation of the Constitution but not of any state criminal statutes. Criminal prosecutions are for a subset of unlawful federal law enforcement activity—albeit the most important subset.

Still, two things can be true at once: There ought to be even more pathways for holding federal officers who violate our rights accountable; and local and state criminal prosecutions, in at least some cases, are not remotely foreclosed—so that state officers who seek to pursue such cases in good faith are not committing any crimes under federal law. There may be political reasons why local or state prosecutors will be wary of bringing such cases. But—and I know this is a shock—the relevant law is far more permissive when it comes to the ability to hold federal officers accountable than Stephen Miller would have you believe.

The ICE agent can and will tried in state court

Kid Berwyn

(23,009 posts)
5. Bullshit. No one has immunity over criminal behavior.
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:17 PM
Thursday

The ICA agent murdered someone he had no authority to arrest. He also had no reason to aim his weapon toward her. He just happened to take advantage of his authority to "make a kill."

Wiz Imp

(9,012 posts)
13. 100% false statement
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 02:49 PM
Thursday

They have "Qualified" immunity

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/qualified-immunity-today

While doing their jobs and protecting the public, law enforcement and correctional personnel regularly engage in activities — including handcuffing, restraining, and imprisoning fellow citizens — that do not otherwise conform to social norms. Such conduct is protected by the legal doctrine of qualified immunity (QI), which shields public servants from civil liability for reasonably fulfilling their duties. However, while broad, this protection is not absolute.

Limits of Protection

The recent Taylor v. Riojas case was a rare U.S. Supreme Court rejection of QI claims, which raises the question Is QI being narrowed? The answer is no. While QI remains unchanged, the Taylor case indicates that the Court will not endorse the granting of QI for conduct so shocking that it offends the Eighth Amendment on its face, even if the facts are novel.
A defense that generally protects law enforcement officers from personal liability for the reasonable discharge of their duties, QI tends to be broadly applied by courts to allow officers to do their jobs. In so doing, courts generally rely on established practices and legal precedent. However, the Court held that QI is unavailable for conduct that obviously violates the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment, even if that specific behavior has not previously and specifically been held as wrong.

in2herbs

(4,242 posts)
15. It is being reported that the oldigarchs are propping F45 up until the public is more acceepting of JD because
Thu Jan 8, 2026, 03:02 PM
Thursday

by doing so they can use him to continue carrying out their Project 2025 agenda.



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