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The first shot went through the windshield, very close to the edge and fairly low. Fired when he was in close proximity to the front left corner of the vehicle.
Think of the angle of the shot.
If he was in fully in front of the vehicle, in danger, that shot would have entirely missed the driver. Or at worst, hit her in the left shoulder.
The only way that first shot hits the driver's head, neck, or center chest if he's off to the driver's side of the vehicle.
And the second and third shots were fired when he was indisputably next to the vehicle, completely out of danger.
Forensic investigation will show the angles of each shot fired.
The only way to prove the goon was in any danger at any time is if the first shot hits the far left side of the victim from the front, or misses the victim entirely. Even if this is what investigation reveals, there is no justification for the second and third shots fired when the goon was inarguably at the driver's side window, entirely out of danger.
It will be child's play for a lawyer to show a jury exactly how this murder - correction, execution - transpired.
I predict the goon will take a plea deal.
It is imperative that this murder is investigated by state of Minnesota - DHS/FBI must not be allowed to block access to evidence and cover up this crime.
unblock
(55,929 posts)Not someone in danger. Just a blood luster who seized upon a feeble excuse to kill.
Emile
(40,656 posts)would be visually upset. He acted like someone who stepped on an ant.
Fucking fascist Nazi sob.
Ms. Toad
(38,308 posts)The first shot may well have missed her. Either the second or third shot could have been the one that killed her.
From the front view video, he wasn't full in front of the car. He was in front of its driver side bumper when he fired the first shot. The second two were through the window.
Kingofalldems
(40,050 posts)That's for sure.
Ms. Toad
(38,308 posts)One video proves his feet were not run over by the tires. The other video, from the front perspective, shows contact in the midsection.
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I don't know that the first shot hit her.
Again, think of the angle of the shot.
The first shot hit the vehicle only a few inches from the edge of the windshield. If the first shot missed her, or hit her left shoulder, that would show that he was far enough in front of the vehicle that the shot could be shown to have been justified.
If the first shot hit the victim's head, neck, or center chest, the shooter must have been far enough to the side of the vehicle that he was not in danger.
The second and third shots cannot be shown to have been justified. At all. Even if one is credibly threatened for a moment, you don't get a "grace period" to continue to feel threatened and kill someone when the threat has clearly passed.
Johonny
(25,493 posts)And she tried to get away, but he killed her before she could.
He is alive, pointed his gun, threatened her. She is now dead.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out whose life was in danger. All Americans are now in danger. These people are illiterate, poorly trained, unqualified, and heavily armed with instructions to do harm. Fear them. Avoid them. They will kill you.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out whose life was in danger. Indeed.
Emile
(40,656 posts)vehicle a few months ago, you'd think he would know better. Why in hell is this dumb ass still standing in front of vehicles? Why is someone so stupid, still working for ice?
FakeNoose
(40,209 posts)... or else reassigned to a desk job....
For anyone else this would be a no-brainer. But Kristi Noem has no brain.
crud
(1,200 posts)he had a plan. Not stupid, just awful.
karynnj
(60,787 posts)from the earlier accident should have led them to removing him from his job.
I wonder if ICE even considered that he needed psychological assessment and help. His lack of reaction after killing someone is horrifying.
One thing repeated often on news coverage is that ICE gives no training on de-escalating situations or policing. I don't think that was an oversight. I think they want people to fear and to know they will be attacked in many ways if they protest what these thugs are doing. That they have more 2026 funding and are hiring people all normal law enforcement would reject, this will get worse.
littlemissmartypants
(31,675 posts)1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior
BruceWane
(383 posts)And it is a legitimate basis for the family of Renee Good to file a civil suit against DHS for wrongful death.
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Kingofalldems
(40,050 posts)Excellent post.
AverageOldGuy
(3,362 posts)Only if he is indicted. No guarantee that will happen.
MIButterfly
(2,100 posts)That was my first thought when I read the comment that he would take a plea deal. Who says he'll even be arrested?
azureblue
(2,667 posts)and is full MAGA. He was looking for someone to shoot.
kentuck
(115,119 posts)...and attempted to block her from leaving but left himself room to step aside if she tried to pull away. Which is what she did. And he was locked and loaded, ready for murder.
Emile
(40,656 posts)Marcuse
(8,807 posts)wolfie001
(7,098 posts)gulliver
(13,719 posts)One thing this post and many others seem to be missing is the question of whether self-defense is the only defense for the officer. It isn't the only defense, imo. If the officer, for example, thought, for some reason (stupid, half-crazy, or not), that Good was a danger to others behind him or anywhere in the path of Good's SUV, he might have acted "in defense of others."
My own opinion is that, rationally, Good should have just complied with orders. Unfortunately, rationality can be in short supply in situations like that. The situation, in fact, should never have come about. It's just a tragedy.
NotHardly
(2,631 posts)BruceWane
(383 posts)To justify the use of lethal force, the shooter would have to demonstrate that he knew there were others that were in imminent danger and needed to be defended. Not just some vague "hunch".
Otherwise, any cop would be "justified" to shoot anyone who was fleeing in the back, under the premise that they thought the victim/"suspect" was going to go off and harm someone else. Even when no one else was around.
"I had a feeling there might be someone else down the street that needed defending" is hardly an acceptable excuse to take someone's life.
Try presenting this kind of defense to a jury while they view pictures of a mother who had a collection of her kid's stuffed animals hanging out of the glove box. Good luck with that.
Surely, it is very likely that this will be the defense of this murderer. But at best it will only mitigate the charge of murder to one of a lesser degree. It will not exonerate him.
Any defense attorney is going to advise him to take the most favorable plea deal offered; in order to claim self-defense or the defense of others, the shooter will have to take the stand and any prosecutor is going to absolutely destroy him.
Stargleamer
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with one agent telling her to get out of the car and another telling her to leave/drive away.
SheltieLover
(76,895 posts)Historic NY
(39,662 posts)The other guy standing at her window was lucky he wasn't hit. He rushed to get up and video even walking around the right side and in front of her vehicle. She pissed him off an he shot. He already got clearing from his Chicago episode.
dflprincess
(29,181 posts)If the state gets it back I'd expect it to have been altered. Fortunately, the BCA has an excellent reputation & is smart enough to look for that.
V850i
(120 posts)It will be determined that this is a legitimate shooting by Kash Patel and the honest hard working FBI agents that still work there
after the purge of those following the law.
Martin Eden
(15,366 posts)If his overriding concern was to not get hit by the vehicle, his best chance to avoid that would be to get out of the way as quickly as possible -- not to aim and fire his weapon.
Also, if he was observant of what the driver was doing, he would have seen she was turning the wheel AWAY from him, not towards.
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