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Rustynaerduwell

(771 posts)
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 10:56 AM 10 hrs ago

I don't think Nicole was badly hit by that first shot. I believe it was the next two that killed her.

Did you see where that bullet entered the window? Way down in the corner. Follow a bullet coming from anywhere near the right front fender/headlight area and entering the front window in the right lower corner where it did. It looks way far off from any trajectory leading to a lethal head shot. It is so far off, it may have missed her completely.

It was the second and third shot that throws self defense out the window.

But if she was alive with a non-fatal wound, or no wound at all, after that first shot, manslaughter doesn't cut it.


This better end up in the hands of a jury that is allowed to see all the evidence.

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I don't think Nicole was badly hit by that first shot. I believe it was the next two that killed her. (Original Post) Rustynaerduwell 10 hrs ago OP
Bullets dont travel straight after they hit sloped safety glass like windshields DetroitLegalBeagle 10 hrs ago #1
Not to mention that the refusal of medical aid could have RockCreek 10 hrs ago #2
Won't the autopsy be filed locally? underpants 10 hrs ago #3
The state will perform an autopsy on its own. Cattledog 9 hrs ago #4
Has there been any discussion about the weapon? LakeVermilion 8 hrs ago #5
ICE standard issue is (the Intertubes tell me) a Sig Sauer PM 320. Igel 6 hrs ago #6

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,468 posts)
1. Bullets dont travel straight after they hit sloped safety glass like windshields
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 11:02 AM
10 hrs ago

They generally deflect upwards due to the backward slope of the glass contacting the bottom of the bullet first. It also doesn't travel in a straight upward line either, it can go in any random upward trajectory, and many times its no longer a single projectile, but broken up into multiple pieces.

RockCreek

(1,325 posts)
2. Not to mention that the refusal of medical aid could have
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 11:03 AM
10 hrs ago

prevented a not immediately fatal wound from killing her.

Even if the wound appeared to show that it was impossible for her to be alive, ICE agents are not qualified to make that determination.

underpants

(195,016 posts)
3. Won't the autopsy be filed locally?
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 11:08 AM
10 hrs ago

I was thinking about this too. You’re right about the angle on the first shot but remember the murderer was near the left bumper/quarter panel so the trajectory could be back across the vehicle. That may have killed her and what followed in terms of the vehicle would be just what naturally followed.

Yes the second and third shots are clearly premeditated. He went out if the way to do those. Scumbag.

Will we be allowed to see the autopsy?
Notice there was no other glass broken so each shot hit something but it could be the seats.

LakeVermilion

(1,502 posts)
5. Has there been any discussion about the weapon?
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 12:22 PM
8 hrs ago

I'm guessing that a "macho" guy would carry a powerful handgun. That was a good sized hole in the windshield.

Igel

(37,392 posts)
6. ICE standard issue is (the Intertubes tell me) a Sig Sauer PM 320.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 02:28 PM
6 hrs ago

Apparently (I'm also told) there are various models of that variety of pistol.

9 mm. Apparently equivalent to 0.357 caliber. Don't know muzzle velocities.

On edit: As for the size of the hole, it'll depend on more than just the caliber of the bullet. Angle it hits the glass at, how the glass reacts to the stresses when the bullet impacts it, whether the bullet maintains its original shape or flattens. Note that modern car windows tend to shatter more than the old car from the '60s I drove when I was in high school, with windshields intended to mostly resist breaking (meaning that if your head hit it, your head was more likely to break than with a modern windshield).

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