Schumer and Jeffries Refuse to Back Growing Democratic Calls to Defund ICE

[Mysterian]

Amid outrage over the killing of Renee Good, Democratic leaders are declining to use their leverage to fight the agency. The killing of Renee Good by a federal immigration officer in Minneapolis this week came as Republicans in Congress were planning to bring a homeland security spending bill to the House floor, deciding on whether the agency that’s surged thousands of armed agents into communities across the country should have increased funding — and progressive lawmakers are demanding that the Democrats use the upcoming government funding deadline to hopefully reduce the department’s ability to wreak further havoc.

“I just don’t understand how we provide votes for a bill that funds the extent of the depravity,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) told CNN Thursday. “I know we can’t fix everything in the appropriations bill but we should be looking at ways we can put some commonsense limitations on their ability to bring violence to our cities.”

But the top Democratic leaders, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (NY) and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (NY) both appeared to have little interest in discussing how their party can use the appropriations process as leverage to rein in US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agencies that have taken part in President Donald Trump’s mass deportation operation.
...
Schumer also refused to say whether the Democrats would use the appropriations process as leverage to cut funding to ICE, whose budget is set to balloon to $170 billion following the passage of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act last year. Republicans will need Democratic support to pass a spending bill in the Senate, where 60 votes are required.

https://truthout.org/articles/schumer-and-jeffries-refuse-to-back-growing-democratic-calls-to-defund-ice/

[Just_Vote_Dem]

1. I don't know if they want to reveal everything in their toolbox right now, so to speak

They've commented on the situation, but sometimes you don't want to signal everywhere you're going till a more appropriate time

[Kid Berwyn]

7. Keeping one's powder dry.

Still waiting for us to sink the Swift Boat liars.

[vapor2]

17. Seriously your comment is a bit reassuring

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. This is kinda the same argument many of us here on DU, including me, were making in regards to Merrick Garland,

look where that has gotten us.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

20. I hear you, but

I've learned being a poker player not to show my opponent I've got the aces till the right time, heh

[Maru Kitteh]

27. 1000% TIMES THIS. No more M.Garland-style hope. No more wishing

and just “having faith” that leadership is doing the right thing. That was somewhat acceptable back when we had a democracy, sometimes. That’s not where we are.

[bigtree]

48. Garland handed over a fast moving investigation to Smith who brought an indictment with more than enough time to convict

...but the Trump allies in the courts prevented it from going to trial.

Likewise, making Democratic leaders the target of this ire is seriously misleading and just false.

They don't make those decisions on their own, nor are they responsible for who voters sent them in the pathetic numbers that we saw in the last election.

People constantly set up these performative expectations for Democrats as if chattering about it on the internet was some substitute for the actual legislative realities that these Dem leaders face.

NO Democrat voted for the funding being advantaged right now. There is no legislative vehicle for Democrats to undo that funding right now.

Both leaders are working with the legislators who elected them to represent them. They aren't going to make those negotiations or decisions with the press. They just aren't. They make those decisions through the consensus of the caucus.

Voters didn't elect the leadership of those bodies of Congress; the legislators in the respective parties did that; so casting them as more consequential than the people mulling on their own votes behind them is just silliness.

Besides, who is saying they will vote for ANY republican budget resolution or initiative? What Democrat has said that?

Just as Garland had zero control over how quickly the courts dispatched the record number of frivolous appeals to every scrap of evidence or testimony sought - including the successful effort which began well before Smith came onboard to obtain the testimony of key WH officials and attorneys against privilege claims and challenges in successive courts, including the SC, packed with Trump appointees - these Democratic leaders have not faltered on ANY challenge to republicans in gaining overwhelming support from their membership in both bodies.

Whatever Truthout wants them to say will need to wait until they have Democratic votes in hand to back up their intentions. Both have said they're caucusing on these issues and more this week.

But, let's blame the prosecutors for the obstruction by the perps and their court enablers. And, by all means, let's blame the Dem leaders for the minority of members Democrats afforded them with in a binary system of elections in which the opposition is a fascist dictator leading a cult of corporatist simps. /s

[betsuni]

57. Thank you!

[choie]

33. Yeah right.

[angrychair]

41. Respectfully, I understand the optimism

We all want to believe there is a bigger, better plan but history has shown us that is unlikely.

Unfortunately this is is sending the wrong message and could very much leave people feeling the Democratic Party is out of touch with its constituents.

(Frozen Water) Is terrorizing and murdering people. This is NOT an organization that can be reformed by a couple of policy changes. It is a paramilitary organization filled with illiterate, racist, xenophobic, violent, thugs that truly believe they are above the law and nothing about what Schumer and Jefferies are saying changes that.

Combined with Newsom's overt defense of billionaires and coming out completely against the idea of a billionaire tax and this has not been a good day for Democrats.

This is NOT what Democrats and Independents looking for a new way forward, what they want to hear. What is sounds like is more of the same if I'm being honest.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

42. I appreciate the response

I'm dealing with some medical issues right now so I'm trying to look at things as optimistically as I can so I can heal and deal with whatever the future holds for all of us.

[angrychair]

44. No worries at all

I understand . I truly hope you get better soon.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

46. Thank you!

My best to you as well

[leftstreet]

2. They need to meet this moment

Tune out the expensive consultants. Read the room instead.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Gosh I hope they don't listen. Everyone knows defund is a TERRIBLE slogan. Maybe something like "we want nicer ICE?"

Just kidding. Abolish ICE.

[CrispyQ]

8. Seen on social media: I like my ICE crushed.

Didn't ICE just get a HUGE bump in funding in the last bill? Didn't Noem burn through most of her budget in half a year? Are she, Hegseth, & Rubio still living large in military leadership's quarters?

Schumer & Jeffries are not the leaders we need if they don't see how out of touch their position is.

[Johonny]

4. Defund is a third rail term

But jeepers, scaling back funding since obviously they don't need personal jets for Noem etc . . . Waste, fraud, and abuse is fair game

[Ars Longa]

23. How about " Keep the Border Sealed-- Re-form Ice"

"DISARM ICE", "UnMask ICE ", "New Boss for ICE"

"Adults in charge"

something like that??

Avoid using words like Defund..

[dem4decades]

34. Build the case that ICE is wasting money, on jets for instance.

[angrychair]

47. I didn't want to defund them

Most people should not be saying they want to defund (frozen water).

I want to abolish them. Dissolve them as an entity from the federal government. I want them to cease to exist as an organization.

No one wants to defund them. We want them permanently, irrevocably to cease to exist. Forever.

They are a criminal organization and their very existence is antithetical to the values and principles of true American society.

[Ms. Toad]

35. Unlike Defund the Police, this is a movement/term I can 100% back. n/t

[Kid Berwyn]

5. "There is nothing impossible to him who will try."

— Alexander III of Macedon (the Great)

[Fiendish Thingy]

6. They could write strict regulations into the bill

Regulations for hiring (currently you can work for ICE if you have a criminal record or pending charges), regulations for conduct- no entrance onto private property without a judicial warrant , and only for the persons named on the warrant, etc.

That should be the headline- what the leadership is for, rather than letting the Defund ICE clickbait suck all the air out of budget discussions.

[bigtree]

59. what bill?

...what bill do you imagine the Democratic minority has the numbers and authority to even schedule out of a committee, much less add something to on their party's votes or initiative?

Most of the ICE funding is ALREADY in the budget bill, not appropriations.

What is this false dichotomy that you've set up here? The most they can accomplish in the present minority, outside of the myriad amendments they have offered already, is organize Democrats to vote against what the republicans schedule, as they have, repeatedly without a scrap of credit from any of their critics.

You're talking about them as if they hold the majority, in which no one should expect that they would do anything less if voters manage to make that happen.

Maybe it would be more clear if you told us what republican bill or initiative on ICE funding ANY Democrat is planning to vote for? They haven't voted for any so far, so this is a fantastical canard.

Maybe you can tell which party controls the rescission process right now, and what evidence you have that any Democratic majority budget under their leadershipo wouldn't try to rescind that funding?

[Ping Tung]

9. "It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners." ― Albert Camus

[biocube]

10. Wanting to neuter ICE is a political loser...

What I would do is establish minimum training/education/fitness requirements for ICE agents. Trump has basically the requirements to being ambulatory. That will work almost exactly like a cut.

[gab13by13]

12. The only test they have to pass is a loyalty test.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. Yes they definitely need MORE money

After all, throwing money at police departments definitely has a great track record

[leftstreet]

19. Oh! So the ICE murderer just wasn't trained properly

[biocube]

22. Yes, I think if we had the same requirements for police officers

he wouldn't be on ICE. The only reason the requirements were lowered is because they couldn't find enough who could pass them.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. yeah we know cops never murder anybody

[leftstreet]

30. Nonsense

There are plenty of men and women who'd qualify to be law enforcement officers of all types. And who wouldn't want the paycheck, insurance, retirement !!

ICE deliberately recruited room temperature IQ knuckle dragging racists, awash in toxic masculinity and entitlement syndrome for the sole purpose of the political spectacle we're watching today.

Hey, wait. Are there any female ICE agents?

[Torchlight]

21. I don't see a lot of evidence pointing towards your assertion

[SamuelTheThird]

31. More training for Proud Boys Brownshirts is not going to make a bit of difference

[choie]

37. Yeah that's what happened

Ross wasn’t physically fit. For Christ sakes anything so that we don’t have to be courageous and do the right thing.

[Quiet Em]

11. I have a question that I hope those with more knowledge on this can help explain

I had read that the Republicans have pulled Homeland Security funding from the current spending bill because of the uproar from the public after the Nicole Good murder and the Republicans belief that including Homeland Security funding in this bill could stop it from passing the Senate.

So, at the moment I'm of the belief that Homeland Security funding is not currently on the table? Or is the funding for Homeland Security already included from a previous bill?

[JBTaurus83]

13. Victims refuse

To defund the Nazis. It’s pretty pathetic.

[C_U_L8R]

15. At the very minimum, DISARM ICE

They don’t need heavy weapons to enforce immigration laws.

[aocommunalpunch]

16. I recommend they never say ANYTHING

Then, no one can hold them accountable and BLUE WAVE baby! People can’t get enough of this shit, I’m telling ya!

[Duncan Grant]

25. Because complicity has been an effective response so far!

An effective opposition cannot be lead with collaboration. We need a course correction. Fight back, god damn it.

[Emile]

26. They should have a background check. No arrest

record, no presidential pardons for being an insurrectionist, no one on the Epstein list, etc.

[CousinIT]

28. No wonder so many Dems are registering as independent now.

I haven't and won't, but damn...we need fighters with spines of steel, and these guys are hiding under the table.

I HOPE they have something else in mind but to fight this, but...

[flvegan]

29. Something about beatings continuing until morale improves. n/t

[gulliver]

32. Schumer and Jeffries are legitimate, elected leaders.

The "calling voices" need to justify their call to defund ICE by pointing to some one-person-one-vote, democratic election that entitled them to make that call. Otherwise, they're just noisemakers trying to lose us the midterms, imo.

[Demsrule86]

36. Both need to face a primary. This is being complicit in the torture and murder of US citizens as well as immigrants.

They should be ashamed.

[SocialDemocrat61]

49. Schumer is not up until 28

I believe Jeffries is being primaried

[bigtree]

55. no Dem leader could undo the funding right now

NO Democrat voted for ANY of the finding.

So what is this canard supposed to do in changing that equation voters saddled the Democratic party leaders with.

No new Dem leader is going to do anything differently in this case. They just aren't.

Isn't it obvious that's why no Democrat that voted to advance either Dem leader is calling for anyone to replace them, or claiming they could do better?

I mean, who do people think elect the Dem leadership of the party??

Clue: it's not the voters in the districts who want and need these two legislators to represent them in their respective states and districts.

Seriously, what the fuck is voting them out of power about? Neither has ever supported the funding or this administration's use of it. Neither is out of step with the people they lead in their respective caucuses.

Voting them out of a slim majority with the expectation that would change the equation in a Democratic minority in both Houses is the height of delusion and falsity.

[bigtree]

38. THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUDGET

...this is specious.

Republicans are in control of that.

I get that Truthout thinks it's more important right now to confront Democrats who they know well don't have the ability to advance a funding bill to the floor of the House, much less in committee, as the minority party.

That goes for the Senate, as well. This gotcha game is something I'd more expect from republicans looking to deflect from their own responsibilities, rather than anyone seriously looking to address the actual source of the money that's being used.

Democratic leaders don't make decisions like defunding an agency on their own, or by fiat. Those important decisions are made by consensus of the legislators in the party that are expected to organize the votes for important bills and initiatives. Moreover, it's the committees which advance those legislative ambitions, with Dems in the minority right now.

It's specious, for instance, to think Democrats wouldn't address ICE funding in a budget they advanced themselves with a Democratic majority. NO Democrat voted for the funding ICE is advantaging right now.

But that doesn't get you anywhere near addressing the money that's being used right now, and Truthout knows this, so let's break this down.

They want the Dem leaders to call for another federal budget resolution? In what universe is that going to happen? They maybe want a defunding appropriations bill... let's say we call it a 'rescission' of funds? Rescission power is completely in the hands of the majority.

So what is Truthout demanding? They want Democrats to make a feckless and toothless call for something Democrats not only have no power to do, but have no votes to effect.

Whatever you think of defunding, you have to realize that hanging the party out in the public with a toothless proposal that is little more than a target for the opposition is pathetic politics which is good for little more than the clicks and reposts this article received.


Jeffries yesterday:

House Democrats are going to have a
family conversation throughout the week
in the caucus meeting and in the whip
meeting about the path forward related
to these most recent developments.

We are unified behind the fact that under
the leadership of Primila Gyipol,
there's going to be a hearing that House
Democrats will hold this Friday in Minneapolis
as part of the effort to hold the Department of Homeland
Security accountable for its outofc
control behavior.

Now, it's important to understand
that a lot of the funding for ICE that
is currently being unleashed on the
American people, American citizens
in such extreme ways right now was
provided not through the traditional
appropriations process, but a connection
with the one big ugly bill that every single
Democrat and every single House Senate
Democrat opposed, every single one of us,
and that Donald Trump and Republicans
jammed down the throats of the American
people.

And so the funding dynamic that we have
to navigate as it relates to ICE's out of control
behavior is different in nature
than what may have otherwise been the
case because a lot of the funding that
ICE is currently utilizing comes from
their one big ugly bill.

And that's something that we'll collectively, you
know, be working on as our discussions
continue.

watch:

...if I didn't consider the source, I'd think this nonsense was bait from the republican opposition.

[Grins]

39. Long worried about Schumer. Now worried about Jeffries. Nm

[maliaSmith]

40. Defunding ICE

Democrats aren't in the majority. I'm sure they have plans to undo lots of damage the GOP have done to us and our country but are wisely keeping their plans quiet. All I can say is vote Blue in all city, county, state and federal elections in November and then Democrats will start the investigations.

[Samael13]

43. While i agree something needs to be done

I'm not sure what leverage the democrats have at the moment. The party has no control in either chamber and we know who is in the white house.

[BidenRocks]

45. How large is too large

for chumps private army.
ICE is chumps SS. It came in many flavors.
We have the armed ones using race and societal status to attempt to crush dissent.

But you go ahead and keep funding them until they are too big to stop and they rival the regular military. Only with no rules of engagement.

Bye Chuck. Yesterdays politics doesn't work in a lawless country.
Hakeem? SMH

A failure to listen to your constituents is bad policy and I'm not believing in 'secret' deals or other crap!

[MineralMan]

50. Many Desirable Things Would be Possible if We Had a Democratic Majority in the House and Senate.

We do not have either at this time. Leadership strategy is based on what is possible, not necessarily on everything that is desirable at the moment.

I recommend focusing on electing majorities in Congress. Anything else will simply miss the target altogether.

[SocialDemocrat61]

51. I would assume that both the

House and Senate democratic caucuses are split on this issue. Schumer and Jeffries don't make or dictate policies. They reflect the policy positions of their caucuses.

[Thunderbeast]

52. Our nation survived for 202 years without Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE)

The creation of ICE was a knee jerk reaction to the events of September 11, 2001. It started as Kabuki Theater (along with TSA) to make us all feel better. It morphed into a private army to bring militia policing under the direction and ownership and control of Donald Trump... A dictator who studied and modeled Hitler to gain immense personal wealth, and to execute his racist fantasies.

[Nanjeanne]

53. ICE was only formed in late 2003 as a response to 9/11 and the Homeland Security Act. It's budget then was

$3.3 billion.

With Trump - the Big Piece of Shit Bill has outlined:
$170 billion for anti-immigrant enforcement, detention, and deportation. This money makes the U.S. immigration enforcement agencies richer than many nations’ entire military force. It allows the federal government to step up attacks on the rights of immigrants, especially children and families.

Where does the $170 billion go?
$30 billion to detain and deport more immigrants, more quickly
$45 billion to build new immigrant detention facilities
$47 billion to build more border walls and other barriers
$16 billion for increased border security, including surveillance and technology
$14 billion for state and local agencies that participate in immigration enforcement
$12 billion for more Border Patrol checkpoints, vehicles, and agents
An additional $11 billion goes to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Department of Defense, Department of Justice, and the Bureau of Prisons for uses including immigration enforcement and detention.

The Office of Refugee Resettlement gets $330 million for extreme vetting of unaccompanied children and their sponsors.

Abolishing ICE isn't a radical far left stance. It's been in existence for less than 25 years. We need immigration reform and abolishing ICE should be a part of that.

[mcar]

54. Clickbait headline

says "refuse." Article says "appears to have little interest." Those are 2 different things.

[Duncan Grant]

60. "Little interest" - oh, that's so much better! I'm relieved. Thank God. (nt)

[mcar]

62. Better than refuse and the headline is misleading

But it's Truthout so that explains it.

[CanonRay]

56. I won't comment because I'd just get a post removed message

[OrlandoDem2]

58. Close the border! Leave law abiding people alone!

It’s really that simple. Turn it into a slogan and we win the elections in a landslide.

Americans want the border closed and the data shows it was shutting tight in 2024 under Biden and before Trump!

Americans also do not want their friends and neighbors who are good hard-working people deported!

[betsuni]

61. Childish belief there are simple easy solutions for everything but mean old Democrats refuse to do them.