Kristi Noem said you should keep proof of citizenship on your person at all time

[DemocratSinceBirth]

[spooky3]

1. Danke, Frau Gnome. Nt

[bluestarone]

2. Does she?

What an absolute asshole she is.

[LakeVermilion]

64. Even MAGAts?

[dalton99a]

3. Does she or any of her ICE thugs do that?

[Rebl2]

17. Nope

They are immune

[Tadpole Raisin]

4. Your papers, comrade. Show me your papers!! nt

[kwolf68]

5. Die papers please

die Papiere bitte

[Ritabert]

6. Real ID drivers' licenses are supposed to be proof of citizenship

...but ICE agents are just saying "That's fake."

[Ms. Toad]

13. In most states, they are not.

In a handful of states (MI, MN, NY, VT, and WA) they are proof of citizenship, but in most they only prove identity.

[AZJonnie]

16. It's funny too cause in AZ I went to MVD for REAL and to the PO to file for my passport on the same day

And the REAL ID application had all the same + more paperwork requirements vs what getting my passport did.

[Ms. Toad]

18. Yup.

A US birth certificate proves citizenship - but many non-citizens (with foreign birth certificates) are entitled to get RealIDs, so presenting a birth certificate to get a RealID doesn't prove the RealID was issued to a citizen.

[AZJonnie]

21. Would've been convenient if there were 2 tiers of REAL ID then

Given that the State had all of the same evidence of my citizenship as the Feds did + more, seems like they were in a position to confirm it. Would certainly be more convenient to have my DL have some kind of 'this is a US citizen' marking vs. having to have a separate thing to carry around that does. Esp. given that the state already has to confirm citizenship during the voter registration process (or at least, that's what I think happens, maybe not).

[Ms. Toad]

22. There are two tiers,

It's just that only a handful of border states are using them.

[AZJonnie]

23. Right, I should've said "available in Arizona" then (n/t)

[Ms. Toad]

48. Interesting idea.

I guess I'm not inclined to cooperate with "show me your papers"

I realize I'm speaking from a place of privilege - I'm not likely to be stopped by ICE. But also from that place of privilege, it feels better to refuse to comply even though I can, to prove a point.

[Jersey Devil]

7. Show me your papers schnell!

Who the hell carries around their birth certificate and passport (if they even have one)? And what law requires it?

[MurrayDelph]

39. My LA-born Puerto Rican wife has carried here for years

Ever since Arizona's Papers Please law.

For the last few years I've been carrying mine, too, even though I'm an obese, elderly LA-born Eastern European Jew.

[Jersey Devil]

42. I 'll show them my 1956 Willie Mays baseball card

There is no requirement that citizens carry proof of citizenship and never has been. I am 79 years old and I am not going to start now!

[MurrayDelph]

56. I also carry home-printed business cards

That have the Fourth Amendment printed on one side and the Fifth on the other.

[Totally Tunsie]

57. I do, since last year after delving a bit into Project 2025.

Already had my RealID, but renewed my expired passport and also ordered the passport card to carry in my wallet.
Also ordered a short-form certified Birth Certificate from my hometown City Clerk's office and carry that too. Friends and acquaintances laughed and poo-pooed me when I'd say that we would reach the days of "Show us your papers". Well, we are now there.

BTW, I'm white and American born, but with trump in office, I was taking no chances and getting prepared. Believe him when he says he's "only joking" and watch and listen carefully to those who surround him.

I WILL resist, but I remember my Girl Scout motto: "Be prepared."

[Arazi]

8. That doesn't work as hundreds of American citizens can now attest

ICE doesn’t give a shit if you’re a US citizen. They’re grabbing anyone now

[B.See]

25. Precisely. Now reportedly going door to door

In Minneapolis, looking for ANYONE they see as 'OTHER.' Like the Nazi GESTAPO goons they ARE.

Proof positive that if you're a member of ANY group being DEMONIZED and DISENFRANCHISED, yet voted to empower these fascist fuks, you need your...

well... let's just say you need to reevaluate the choices you've made.

ICE agents going door to door in Minnesota asking where Asian neighbors live: report - Rawstory via MSN

[SSJVegeta]

9. Link? Can't find anything on it

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. "Kristi Noem Says People Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship"

https://www.newsweek.com/kristi-noem-ice-us-citizenship-minnesota-shooting-identity-11366671

[SSJVegeta]

14. Thank you!!

[Totally Tunsie]

59. CNN chyron this a.m.: "SECY. NOEM: AMERICANS MAY BE ASKED TO "VALIDATE THEIR IDENTITY".

[MineralMan]

10. Did She Now?

Well, I carry ID with me all the time, but not proof of citizenship. I don't carry my passport around or a copy of my birth certificate. I speak American English very well, though. There is no possible reasonable evidence that I am not a citizen. So, I do not have to present my ID to anyone. I will, of course, show it to a police officer if requested, because I have no reason not to. I am not, however, required to do so without probable cause to believe I have broken a law.

Stop by Ms. Noem. Tell me to show you my ID. I will not do so to you. Nope.

[Attilatheblond]

33. Read a couple reports of citizens offering their REAL IDs to ICE men and those thugs laughed, said 'could be fake'

So just what can people carry on their person that won't be disregarded by lawless thugs who need to rack up their arrest numbers so they get more $$?

[MineralMan]

49. Well, what's really scary is the idea that they might take your ID

and shred it, then throw you in detention. What would you do then?

If you're white, speak English with an American accent, and have your ID, they're going to let you go. If you're not, all bets are off. They could easily destroy your ID and you'd have no recourse, really.

That's the real danger for a lot of people, really. And, they're shipping people off to detention centers and not telling anyone where you are. So...

For me, I have every driver's license and passport I've ever been issued. My wife knows where they are. I have a chain of identification that also includes my old military ID, and original birth certificate and SS card. I also have an official birth certificate from my county of birth that was reissued and has the embossed seal. If they "lose" my current ID, it's pretty easy for me to produce other documents.

There are tons of people, though, who can't do that and who might not be US Citizens at first glance. They are the ones who are in the most danger, frankly.

[Totally Tunsie]

61. In addition to having everything, also take phone photos and e-mail same to yourself

so it's also on your computer. That gives you a more permanent record at your fingertips.

[MineralMan]

62. Oh, they're all scanned, too.

Stored on a couple of USB thumb drives that are hidden. Another copy of the USB drive is stored at my attorney's office. Scanning produces better quality overall.

[Attilatheblond]

63. EXACTLY! Since they now think they can kill with impunity, what's a little theft to them?

Not so sure about being white as insurance against being abused. Women in general seem at risk. As a long-time white female, I do not feel safe anymore. I know what untreated, misogynistic abusers look like and now they have a green light from an abusive, misogynistic POTUS and his mob.

[MineralMan]

68. Race is just one factor, of course.

I'm sure you're right that many of those guys are misogynists. Incels, too. What happened to Renee Good also had to do with her attitude. Big tough guy didn't like her off-handed "I'm not mad at you, dude." So he killed her. What he said after that gives it all away.

Here's the thing: Those ICE thugs are ALL bullies. Some are meaner bullies than most people ever encounter. They're armed with deadly weapons. If you want to participate in protests where they might show up, keep your personal safety in mind at all times. Do not taunt them at close range. If you can, stay inside a crowd, rather than being at the front of the crowd. Don't challenge them as individuals. They have been shown that they can be brutal or even deadly with impunity.

I've been around for a very long time, and have a good deal of experience with street protests. This situation right now is beyond dangerous, and is not getting better. It's the nastiest bunch of "authority figures" I've ever seen. Never forget that the situation can become deadly in a split second. Don't provoke bullies with guns. It's never a good idea.

I'll stop right there. Take very, very good care!

[surfered]

11. Papers, papers

[milestogo]

15. I don't even know what that means.

I have a mole on my shoulder. Can I just show that instead?

[sinkingfeeling]

19. When do I have to learn German?

[allegorical oracle]

20. Thought that was the purpose of the "real ID" driver licenses. But now she dismisses

those, too. Had to submit everything but blood to get one of those licenses.

[dalton99a]

26. NEXT: Noem introduces Noem-approved DHS card for citizens to carry to prevent arrest

Card includes location history and stored social media passwords for access by DHS

[Luz]

50. Will mine have some sort of symbol on it to show

that I am a democrat? Maybe a scarlet letter "d", or a star of some sort?

[Blue Full Moon]

24. Pinko commie

[Klarkashton]

27. Dimwit maga 'dont tread on me" flag wavers : "if it keeps

Me safer I'm all for it! I've done nothing wrong yuk yuk yuk"

[LuckyCharms]

28. Kristi...Kristi...Kristi...

Do you know what I carry on me at all times?

Whatever the fuck I want to.

That's how it is here in the good old USA.

Not what some botoxed puppy murderer tells me to carry.

[Lochloosa]

29. Short Answer: FUCK YOU!

[Attilatheblond]

30. To what end? Thugs just looking to hurt people won't accept proof, as how recent history has proven.

Why would be carry around a portfolio of documents for them to disregard or destroy? They are out of control, laws don't matter to them and they are gonna do whatever they want.

Noem is just looking for reasons to let them off the hook for the laws they break.

[Irish_Dem]

31. Kiss my ass

[VMA131Marine]

32. "Your papers please..."

I’m pretty sure SCOTUS has made clear there is no requirement to carry ID on your person at all times because law enforcement needs probable cause of a crime to stop you.

[EnergizedLib]

34. Uh, no

[JustAnotherGen]

35. No

I won't.

And if anyone is reading this from New Jersey?

Call Andy Kim today and DEMAND he explain why he voted for *the word I'm not allowed to write at DU* and what he intends to do to bring her to heel.

[dem4decades]

36. Is she looking for the NY Post? Draft card? Library card?

[FakeNoose]

37. I always carry my US Passport just so I know where it is

It's not because I think I'm going to be arrested, it's because I'm in the habit of carrying it.
Kristi Noem can go to hell, but that's beside the point.

[Initech]

38. And I say Kristi Noem needs an extremely long prison sentence.

[dalton99a]

51. +1

[Traildogbob]

40. What if

We just wear a Red MAGA hat and instead of saying I am an American citizen, just say I am a trump humper. Plus keep your guns in the passenger seat, wear a flag on your lapel and an AR 15 pin.
Just don’t wear a “Good Pin”, Bill Maher may shit his panties.
“Your Flagged Lapel” ain’t getting ya to heaven anymore.

[Hotler]

41. And Kristi should keep the thought of going to prison in the back of her mind as we will take back power. nt

[lostnfound]

43. Used to be a free country, i remember

the more methods they have for tracking us, the more they want.
Missing the days of riding around town on May bike with no ID, no phone, no surveillance. Just free.,

[Zackzzzz]

44. Funny, when I was bicycling, I only carried my Insurance card.

I had a friend who said she couldn't get her birth ctf because
all vital statistics were destroyed when the building burnt down.

[Deuxcents]

67. I was thinking about so many people who lost everything in natural disasters. Getting duplicated papers

Takes forever and in some cases, the original was the only copy. I carry my driver’s license and insurance card with me for emergency purposes. My original birth certificate had typo errors and I had to go before a judge with an attorney and every bit of information I could find to get it straightened out and that judgment is in my safe with my Will and other documents. I’m not about to carry it around. The reports are out there that agents have confiscated papers and they’re never returned or what happened to them.

[Kid Berwyn]

45. Whatever happened to the Bill of Rights?

You know, the...

Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[Johonny]

47. Shut down the government until Noem resigns

That is the democrats only move. She should not work for the federal government. She doesn't respect Americans.

[RockCreek]

52. When I studied in Europe, decades ago,

I was shocked at the expectation that one would carry ID at all times. I was a guest in another country, but it was very different than what I was used to in the US.
I have carried my passport with me in the US since January, 2025.

[exboyfil]

53. Papers please

Seems like a fascist regime to me.

[sop]

54. Aren't these the folks who decried the use of a national ID card as "communism"?

[Bayard]

55. I don't have a passport,

Never needed one.

If I could find my birth certificate, neither the first, or last name, would match my driver's license or anything else. I'm sure most women's last name will have been changed when they were married.

Heil trump.

[Klarkashton]

58. Remember when that dimwit lost her purse?

Stupid woman.

[EarthFirst]

60. Anyone still not convinced that "we're there..." yet?

[orangecrush]

65. Got your proof swinging, botox zombie

[Jedi Guy]

66. I carry my passport card in my wallet at all times.

But then again, I'm a US citizen living as a permanent resident in Canada so it's an apples to oranges comparison, isn't it?

What's next? Checkpoints at state borders and travelers have to provide their papers to justify crossing state lines? During the Cold War, Soviet defectors were astounded that US citizens could freely travel wherever they wanted. How things change...