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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAgent John Ross was FAR some untrained ICE yahoo, in fact, reality is so much the contrary I find it suspicious
Before I start, I think it's interesting to note that the one neighbor who's made a comment said didn't even know he worked for ICE
Also interesting to me is that, to date, apart from that one neighbor, we've heard publicly from NOBODY who's claimed to actually know him. And the public's knowledge gap seems pretty extreme. For example, we don't know if he's married, has kids, we've seen no social media posts, we don't know where he was born, if/where he went to college (unlikely), almost nothing apart from employment/service records. In fact, the guy is pretty ghost-like for someone living in today's world. So it strikes me as odd(ly convenient) that nobody has apparently been able to dig up such information, nor interview anyone who knows him.
So lets look at we know about this guy:
Served as a truck gunner in a combat patrol unit in Iraq.
Connotes: Front‑line combat experience, exposure to high‑stress lethal force situations.
U.S. Border Patrol agent near El Paso (from 2007-2015)
Worked on the southern border, later promoted to field intelligence agent focused on cartels, drug trafficking, and human smuggling.
Connotes: Experience with organized crime networks, higher‑level analytical and investigative responsibility, not just routine checkpoint work.
ICE deportation officer, Minnesota (from 2015)
Assigned to fugitive operations in the Twin Cities, targeting what he described as higher‑value targets.
Connotes: Work on planned, higher‑risk arrests rather than random street sweeps, with responsibility for locating and apprehending specific individuals.
Team leader on FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force operations
Acted as a team lead on multi‑agency arrest operations with the FBIs JTTF.
Connotes: Command‑type role in the fieldcoordinating officers from multiple agencies, making tactical decisions, not just following orders.
Firearms instructor / active‑shooter instructor for DHS/ICE
Trained other officers in firearms use and active‑shooter response.
Connotes: Recognized as highly proficient and trusted to shape others tactics; clearly not an inexperienced or minimally trained agent.
Field intelligence officer / tactical planner
Described as an intelligence officer helping plan and brief operations, including risk assessments and target information.
Connotes: Involvement in planning and directing operations, not just executing them.
Prior dragged by car incident (Bloomington, 2025)
Broke a car window and reached in to unlock it during an arrest; was dragged ~300 feet, leading to serious injuries and later conviction of the driver for assaulting a federal officer.
Connotes: Past front‑line tactical engagement, but also a history of high‑risk, aggressive tactics that led to a near‑fatal outcome.
IMHO, taken together, these roles paint him as a senior, tactically experienced operator and team lead, not even remotely an untrained newbie. Making it quite plausible (though not proven) IMHO that he held a command‑level role on the ground during the operation in which Renee Good was killed.
I'm not making an assertion here, just pondering that this background might suggest he may be someone who, if told by his commanders it was necessary for "the mission" to create conditions where martial law could be declared, and was told he had ZERO risk of personal accountability over whatever he does, it wouldn't take a whole lot of coaxing for him to take such an action. He's been training to shoot people (and even professionally training others to do so) throughout his adult life. He could also be versed in tactics that allow officers/agents to use deadly force under the guise of "self-defense", as we recently learned that ICE was doing at least as recently as 2014.
I've also thought it's interesting that just as Ross is sneaking around the passenger side and moving to the front, filming, that Good's attention is forcibly drawn away by agents pulling up to her left, who begin barking commands in a threatening tone, then try to open the door. Also, logically the fact that she's turning right means she's looking to her left EXACTLY when Ross is circling around out of view, likely suddenly appearing to her with his gun out just when she started pulling forward. And let's not forget that she'd been previously ordered to move along.
So I wonder if Agent Ross isn't someone who'd have known how to pull "Operation Martial Law" off, while making it vaguely look like self-defense. Not saying he DID, but if someone wanted to create conditions for increased civil conflict (and doesn't MN make for a perfect place to do so?), seems to me a guy *like* Ross fits the profile of someone you'd ask to help you do so. A trained operative who's so discreet his neighbors don't even know he works for ICE, and NOBODY wants to publicly say a word about. It's like he had zero life, outside of work. Like I say, pretty convenient that a guy like this just happened to be the one to pull the trigger.
This is not a conspiracy theory, I'm not making any accusations, I'm not claiming anything I've speculated IS true, at all. I'm just thinking out loud and asking questions. The exact sequence of events plus his extensive background are interesting to me
orangecrush
(28,703 posts)intuito
(12 posts)Thought he might even have been thinking, "Job done" walking back after the killing! Affect seems totally out of line with someone who has killed out of rage.
Clouds Passing
(7,113 posts)rampartd
(3,921 posts)70sEraVet
(5,270 posts)That when Renee Good said, "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you.", it doesn't really fit. Just prior, her wife says "You want to come at us? You want to come at us? I say go and get yourself some lunch, big boy."
We're missing something. What triggered Renee's wife to ask if he wanted to "come at us"? And what was Renee referring to?
I suspect there is a conversation (or a piece of conversation) that we don't have. Perhaps an earlier confrontation?
Uncle Joe
(64,305 posts)not the shooter.
AZJonnie
(2,895 posts)It's just that it happens before the other, earlier released video (from the driver side) actually starts.
AZJonnie
(2,895 posts)Given that afterwards Becca was inconsolably blaming herself, saying she got her wife killed, and that she asked her to come down and protest, makes sense she's the much more aggressively anti-ICE of the two. Which explains why Good was trying to be friendly to the cop, she's not the one who was purposefully there at the time. Her mom and ex-hubby also said she wasn't any kind of protester. The two women were of very different mindsets in the moment, that's the explanation. I also think actually Good saying it's all good was before Becca lit up Ross IIRC.
Clouds Passing
(7,113 posts)cachukis
(3,682 posts)dozen times, role playing each character. He knew what he was seeing. Missed him transferring phone from right hand to left, but when I learned this it confirmed he was in combat mode. When he shot point blank into her head, I thought assassination.
Your analysis brings me more clarity. I had read briefly a bit of bio.
My curiosity about this batch of agents leads me towards gestapo mentality. Obama deported some 3 million immigrants without any of this police state mentality. Are they getting their jollies bouncing some of the frailest in our society.
This guy must have some serious issues.
popsdenver
(1,645 posts)to roll out his Insurrection Act/Martial Law Threat ?????? Why not NY City or LA??????????
NYCity Population: 8,500,000
LA Population: 10,000.000
Minneapolis: 500,000
St Paul 313,000
Seems to answer my question........
cachukis
(3,682 posts)He had considered Insurrection Act during first term.
He is a resentful sob.
Shipwack
(3,011 posts)Walz is former Democrat VP candidate.
Walz is outspoken, well spoken, and well liked
every thing Trump hates.
AZJonnie
(2,895 posts)It's obviously a place where people will get rowdy en masse when they're pissed one of their own gets killed by LEO's.
LA has in the past, but that was a longer time ago than the MN Floyd protests, which we know irritated IQ47 to no end.
sop
(17,581 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,556 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,422 posts)Jumping as or just before the car hit him would sell the "threat" of her ramming him. But then again, maybe that was the plan and they screwed up.
I think I just don't believe any of these clowns are strategic geniuses to pull that off. I mean these guys didn't think to get 4 wheel drive vehicles for Minnesota in January. They didn't think about other uses of the word officer in resumes, they abandoned a vehicle with operations documents in it, at least one idiot locked his keys in the car, and another left his car in gear and had to go running down the street after it. They are inept.
AZJonnie
(2,895 posts)Obviously she was moving quite slowly and there was no actual injury. More like "bumped".
EdmondDantes_
(1,422 posts)AZJonnie
(2,895 posts)MichMan
(16,694 posts)Roxi
(2,201 posts)And its obvious he felt absolutely no remorse for his actions.
Executing her was not a mistake made in the heat of the moment. He wanted her dead, and he made absolutely sure she died. His buddies refusing to allow the doctor to try and treat her? Just another fact supporting the idea that this was deliberate.
The immediate support from Noem and Vance just adds to the narrative that they wanted to kill someone like Renee to advance their plan to inflict suffering upon us all.
flashman13
(2,074 posts)Everything you just told me about the man makes premeditation more plausible. Even his misadventure in Bloomington in 2025 gives him the cover of, "I feared for my life" defense.
Zackzzzz
(277 posts)Who knows if that driver was conscious while driving.
flashman13
(2,074 posts)motor control and just floored the accelerator. You would think Ross would have understood the danger of tasering someone in a running car.
highplainsdem
(60,200 posts)Hotler
(13,743 posts)spanone
(141,070 posts)2na fisherman
(249 posts)Yes it is suspicious. Ross does seem to have little public biographical information available and the crime scene cover-up speaks volumes. He's apparently gone into hiding with the aid of the Feds. But he doesn't seem like a deep cover agent provocateur capable of pulling off "Operation Martial Law." Military experience is very different than civilian law enforcement. I think he got his career with ICE by being the best of the worst. Even his firearms training role seems odd because the killing video shows him first firing his weapon in the direction of his partner at the car door endangering him. And there was a statement made that he was in the hospital for "internal bleeding" sustained as a result of being hit by Good's car. Yet no medical personnel or records can corroborate this allegation. And he was walking fine after the shooting. Or if he was bleeding, if it was due to a pre-existing condition like a bleeding ulcer caused by too much alcohol abuse. I don't think any toxicology tests were done on him following the fatal shooting. Just sayin'.
Skittles
(169,766 posts)since that is what he was doing to others for a living
Joinfortmill
(20,178 posts)One thing is for certain, he was well trained and experienced, which means he DELIBERATELY shot her in the face THREE times. That's MURDER.
wiggs
(8,699 posts)Zackzzzz
(277 posts)I hadn't really watched the guys on the left,
but your right to think they were drawing her attention
from her attacker. They were in pack mentality mode.
He was stalking her with HIS private camera. Why?
Also, what I saw was her back up so when she went forward, she wouldn't hit him.