MN National Guard unlikely to be called up

[angrychair]

Per Jolly Good Ginger on Instagram that there is hesitation to call out the national guard as it is believed that they would side with ICE over citizens and that police are calling out sick to avoid having to help Minnesota citizens against ICE

For reference https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTjQiJwDqDU/?igsh=MXh5bHQ5MWlxY3Fq

[Walleye]

1. When will Trump start demanding the civilians open their homes to provide quarters for the troops? I think it's the

Only amendment he hasn’t broken yet

[tirebiter]

2. It's not a matter of who the NG would side with if choice were an issue.

Trump would just federalize the Guard and he is the Commander in Chief.

[Ocelot II]

3. Some vidcaster I've never heard of says he has a reputable source and I'm supposed to take his word for it?

This could be true, but some snaggle-toothed rando with bed hair videoing from his car doesn't inspire me with confidence.

[highplainsdem]

5. See reply 4.

[AZJonnie]

7. Also my general policy on such matters (nt)

[angrychair]

9. See my post

See post #8

[angrychair]

8. I would strongly recommend

That you do a lot more digging on him before disparaging him like that. He is a dyed in the wool Democrat and veteran that has been on the streets fighting ICE from the very beginning. They literally camped out in front of Union station in DC from the moment Mango Mussolini deployed troops there.
He is in his car for this video because he is currently in Minneapolis helping people impacted by ICE raids.
He is the leader of a massive group of veterans that go wherever they are needed to help cities being impacted by ICE.

[Ocelot II]

10. Fair enough, he might be a great guy, but that doesn't necessarily mean his info is correct.

[angrychair]

12. What the new media says

Isn't necessarily correct. How often do we attack the news media for spewing bullshit or kissing mango Mussolini's butt?

I'm not saying what he is saying is accurate or not I'm simply sharing information from what I consider a decent source on the ground because we are not getting an honest picture of the situation from traditional news media.
I found out ICE was literally going door to door demanding proof of citizenship from people like him and I had not heard any formal reporting that was actually happening from traditional media until Walz said it in his recent speech

[highplainsdem]

4. Tried to find real info on him that wasn't self-promotion. Business Insider calls him a "drama TikToker" -

From their October 2023 article that included him:

https://www.businessinsider.com/best-viral-tiktoks-follow-for-gossip-drama-2023-10

Russell Ellis, known to his 4.9 million TikTok followers as Jolly Good Ginger, was raised in the mountains of North Carolina, where he said in a 2022 Ted Talk that casual racism proliferated.

Now, he uses his platform to teach other white people to deconstruct their own racism.

His platform is also dedicated to spilling tea — all while brewing actual cups of tea from his own brand. He begins each video with his signature catchphrase: "Get your motherfucking tea ready."

Ellis' videos tend to steer clear of bold-faced celebrities and influencers, instead focusing on the quotidian dramas faced by everyday TikTokers, such as infidelity and tattoo mishaps.

He might be entertaining and sympathetic, but I'd like a more serious source with good journalistic or government credentials.

[angrychair]

11. I would suggest more digging

See my post #8

[highplainsdem]

13. I don't doubt that he's sympathetic. I have no reason to believe he's a reliable source for the sort of

information in your OP.

[angrychair]

14. Traditional news media is?

How often do we catch news media, even MSNow, fudging the details or ignoring facts that are otherwise obvious to anyone?

He is as credible a source on the ground as any in the media and his agenda is to actually help people, not play sycophant to a news organization's billionaire owner's personal agenda.

[highplainsdem]

16. No, he isn't as credible a source on the ground as any in the media. There are independent journalists

with credibility, and not everyone working for a major news organization is a "sycophant to a news organization's billionaire owner's personal agenda."

Even if he's a good guy who's concerned about what's going on - as he appears to be - that does not give him the credentials and background and contacts he should have to be trusted as a reliable source for what you relayed in the OP.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. this isn't helpful

[obamanut2012]

15. Seriously

[Kid Berwyn]

17. The exact opposite would occur.

IMFO, Gov. Walz correctly stated that the Minnesota National Guard was composed of teachers, lawyers, plumbers -- the people of Minnesota. Thus, the MNG would stand to protect the People of Minnesota from the evil inflicted by the fascist trump and his personal goon squad, ICE.

[Ocelot II]

18. It's quite possible Walz is reluctant to call up the NG, but for a very different reason -

which is that Trump would immediately federalize it and take it over. That's a scarier scenario than the possibility that some NG members would side with ICE - something that can't be assumed. NG members are ordinary citizens who are part of MN communities; many join the NG for the military benefits, not out of ideology. It's hard for me to imagine NG soldiers who are policing a protest would obey an order to shoot a bunch of old gray-haired grannies like the folks who significantly populate anti-ICE demonstrations.

[angrychair]

19. I would like to believe that too

But history tells a different story. There are many union members, people of color, college students and military veterans, that have had a very different experience with having military forces mobilized against them.

Good example is the Bonus Army. Look that up.