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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWho is protecting the people of Minnesota from the immigration agents' violence? Who's protecting any of us?
...is there actually anyone in place anywhere today, any of the nation's other law enforcement agencies able to help Americans caught in the way of ICE and other immigration agents?
Who do Americans turn to for protection when we encounter these federal agents deploying chemical weapons and using other aggressive and violence; tactics which no police force is authorized to wantonly exert against civilians, as we've witnessed in Minnesota and elsewhere?
Trump's regime is firmly focused on covering their own asses for their agent's obviously authorized thuggery; not only unequivocally defending their bogus claim to be acting against some threat from immigrants; but have launched a military campaign against those very citizens they claim to be defending.
Trump's DOJ sycophants issued subpoenas for Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey claiming they're impeding law enforcement, ostensibly by doing what we all see them doing, questioning the actions of Trump and urging the people of his state to resist the illegal and abusive deployment of thousands of unchecked federal thugs into his state to try and intimidate the people out of openly resisting.
Moreover, Trump has made himself into the ultimate domestic threat to Americans. There's never been any overt attack on Americans by immigrants. That's just a lie republicans have frightened people in their country with for generations now to get themselves elected and keep themselves in power and authority.
The most dangerous threat to Americans is now this already initiated attack on citizens for do as little as observing their paid mercenary thugs who have been granted unaccountability to virtually anyone for violent behavior against virtually anyone in this country for virtually any reason they choose.
If Renee Good can get shot and killed by their federal agent for just sitting and watching them and accountability for that murderer immediately denied behind threats to the family of the victim (not to minimize the deployment of thousands more to the city at a rate of about an agent to 140 Minnesotans), then it is the federal government who threatens them the most, by far.
Couple that naked tyranny with Trump's threat to invoke insurrection act powers to foment even more military madness on American cities and towns, and it's clear that the most pernicious and present danger we ALL face in this country is a president openly thirsting to pummel Americans with the force of the military we support with the money the government takes from our labor.
He's even begun saying the quiet part out loud about not wanting to be accountable to the people in the next election. That's what he's keeping the troops in D.C in place for, deciding just today to extend his cynical deployment of part-time troops with real jobs back home supposedly deter crimes (other than his own) in Washington, relegated instead to cleaning up trash on the ground.
He's obviously going to try and interfere in the election like any tin-pot dictator would, like countless numbers around the world have done; ironically, most often met with strong resistance from the U.S. in the past; any democratic impulse to defend them today now a victim of Trump's megalomaniac buffoonery.
Who is there to defend and protect Americans against these assaults on our democracy and person?
None but ourselves, of course. Most of us have long relied on our government as a backdrop to our own efforts to keep ourselves safe; even from outside threats, as we vote to put in place people who will defend those in our political system of government.
Many today are fathoming the extent of their own individual power to defend themselves against the very institutions they once regarded as the structure they built their own responsibility to society upon. Now it's become a self-interested clique of arrogant pigs who can't stop abusing people because we won't stop resisting.
It's makes sense to me that this draft dodger who shows open contempt for the military troops, over and over, has no sense of who he's supposed to be defending with all of those weapons we pay for.
Trump believes he's the United States and that the overarching priority of his office is to protect and defend himself. Who is out there to protect and defend us?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,468 posts)communities.
bigtree
(93,455 posts)...and unable to adequately protect themselves from their government.
Much like myself.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,468 posts)communities that thrive on mutual aid and care. I do want to stress just how much work people are doing in Minnesota to care for those directly affected.
Irish_Dem
(80,052 posts)We are on our own.
So we pay half the govt to ignore us and look the other way.
And we pay the other her half to attack, assault, kidnap, kill us.
Ocelot II
(129,313 posts)Now Walz and Frey are being investigated by Trump's DoJ for supposedly interfering with ICE operations. It's bullshit, of course, just another example of Trump's prosecution of political adversaries, but it further hamstrings their efforts to oppose ICE's operations in MN.
Irish_Dem
(80,052 posts)State and local officials could at least act like they give a damn about the people who pay their salaries.
I will never wonder again how Hitler came to power so easily.
Good men rolled over for pure evil.
Ocelot II
(129,313 posts)Frey told ICE in these exact words, "Get the fuck out of Minneapolis!" Walz' statement was fire and brimstone. Congresswomen Angie Craig, Ilhan Omar and Betty McCollum have been on national TV expressing condemnation of Trump and ICE; Lt. Governor Peggy Flanagan likewise. Right now the Minneapolis city council chair is on MS NOW this very minute and he's on fire as well. The mayor of St. Paul, a Hmong refugee who is herself afraid she'll be seized by ICE, has also been outspoken. Obviously you don't live here, but if you did you'd know that our government officials like the above and AG Keith Ellison, have been advocating for us by speaking out and by filing multiple lawsuits.
Just got the news that they got a TRO from a federal judge against ICE attacking protesters.
Irish_Dem
(80,052 posts)And a handful of leaders.
In contrast we have had the US congress, US Supreme Court, large law firms,
universities, corporations all roll over and kiss the ass of a dangerous brutal psychopath.
Who is destroying this country and the world every single day.
Color me totally disgusted.
C_U_L8R
(48,950 posts)One that Trump and all his goons wont be able to stop.
Bullies always seem to underestimate the consequences.
Deuxcents
(25,607 posts)Todays uniform is camouflage and theyre masked and wearing military gear as if theyre in Fallujah. Easy to spot.
Ocelot II
(129,313 posts)Only 400 or so would be on duty at any given time. At that number the department is already understaffed, barely able even to keep up with ordinary, everyday law enforcement. One complaint we've had about them here is that unless there's been a hatchet murder with multiple victims you can't get them to show up at all - that's an exaggeration but it's absolutely true that if you've been the victim of a property crime they'll tell you they haven't got time to investigate; all you can do is call 311 and file a report. So now there are 3,000+ ICE goons on the streets - five times as many as the total Minneapolis police force of 600 - doing all kinds of things that are clearly illegal. But the city cops, even if there were enough of them (which there aren't), don't have the authority to stop ICE in most cases, at least when they're ostensibly doing immigration arrests, because ICE has jurisdiction over those operations. The goons would just arrest them, too, if they tried to interfere.
SamuelTheThird
(646 posts)dickthegrouch
(4,312 posts)The courts have to be the ones to save us.
It's maddeningly slow and inefficient, but it's the trusted mechanism for almost 250 years.
The Supreme Court is one of the most culpable institutions in all this, and the method of reigning them in, by personal responsibility is one of the things I hope attorneys and lawmakers are looking at.
Lower Court decisions have to be spelled out in nauseating detail, to prevent the upper courts from weasel wording their way around soundly reasoned and cited decisions.
Stare Decisis has to be restored. And ridiculous decisions, made by the corrupt current cabal of 6, annulled somehow.
Roberts must be described in such reviled terms every time he's mentioned that even he has to feel some shame.
Clearly there's a lot wrong with the most fundamental precepts of the Constitution and the fabric of our country.
Truth and Trust are the most basic tenets of a functioning society, we must insist on those returning to public discourse.
Wild exaggeration of supposed violations by ordinary citizens is just wrong. Throwing the entire law book at someone who threw a sandwich is just stupidity. Characterizing bruises as "internal bleeding" is likely also a severe exaggeration of the truth, accusing a 17 year-old of assault when his arm brushes against an ICE goon while the teen is being brutalized is another, as just three examples.
Our judiciary MUST insist on reasonable charges with all-but incontrovertible evidence, and chain of custody of said evidence. They must jail anyone who violates the norm of "Truth, the whole truth and NOTHING but the truth" in their courts. Jail them for contempt of court if they lie. Jail the attorneys for suborning perjury if they allow lies to be propagated.
IMHO Judges can prevent senior government staff up to and including Presidents and Secretaries of State from making wildly inappropriate statements after mere minutes or hours by declaring those statements fatally prejudicial to the case and dismissing it entirely. Double Jeopardy might still be a thing!
We can work within the system to force it to correct itself, if we think a little out of the box, just as the idiots of MAGA or Project 2025 appear to have done without the thorough analyses required.
Ocelot II
(129,313 posts)b. Arresting or detaining persons who are engaging in peaceful and unobstructive protest activity, including observing the activities of OperationMetro Surge, in retaliation for their protected conduct and absent a showing of probable cause or reasonable suspicion that the person has committed a crime or is obstructing or interfering with the activities of Covered Federal Officers.
c. Using pepper-spray or similar nonlethal munitions and crowd dispersal tools against persons who are engaging in peaceful and unobstructive protest activity, including observing the activities of Operation Metro Surge, in retaliation for their protected conduct.
d. Stopping or detaining drivers and passengers in vehicles where there is no reasonable articulable suspicion that they are forcibly obstructing or interfering with Covered Federal Agents, or otherwise violating 18 U.S.C.§ 111. The act of safely following Covered Federal Agents at an appropriate distance does not, by itself, create reasonable suspicion to justify a vehicle stop.
So that's a start.