Just canceled my Ring Doorbell plan.

[Cattledog]

ICE has access to your Ring camera through Flock.

Federal agencies, including U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), already access Flock-connected surveillance systems through local and state law-enforcement partners.
Investigative reporting has documented that ICE, Homeland Security Investigations, and the U.S. Secret Service have used Flock infrastructure without needing direct contracts with the company, instead relying on inter-agency data sharing agreements, as detailed by TechCrunch and San News.

https://medium.com/@hrnews1/ring-cameras-join-flock-and-amazon-to-now-create-direct-data-access-for-ice-fbe71996557f

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ring-doorbell-footage-going-straight-171713167.html

[SheltieLover]

1. Good for you!

I was going to buy one some time ago, but didn't.

[Renew Deal]

2. I remember hearing something about this

And there was a way to disable or opt-out of law enforcement access>

Here it is. Video is not supposed to be automatically shared: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2945470/ring-lets-police-ask-for-security-videos-heres-how-to-opt-out.html

[RockRaven]

4. And yet that opt out would not guarantee that law enforcement would not have access.

That company has shown itself to be untrustworthy. There are plenty of news stories about Flock access policies not being followed in various ways in communities around the country. There is no reason for anyone to trust either the company or the government in this regard.

[Nittersing]

3. Thanks. Just posted to my local Nextdoor. nt

[mwmisses4289]

5. Glad we never got a ring system. Or nest.

[indusurb]

6. Fairly easy to install your own camera/security system that isn't open to law enforcement

A few hundred bucks, a little know how, and make sure you hard wire everything since thieves are increasingly using wifi jammers. Or get yourself a big dog, or dog with a big bark, this will actively discourage the vast majority of thieves. Plant boxwood or other such thick shrubbery at the base of your windows, makes them very difficult, if not impossible to be accessed. Get away from the security industrial complex that feeds on fear and spies on all of us all for massive profit.

[ms liberty]

8. This. We have cameras on a closed circuit sytem. Also, a GSD/Begian Mal, a rat terrier/Jack Russell mix and a toy poodle

The little ones are the alarms. My big girl is the muscle and most importantly the bad temper; the back up plans are in the safe. Long ago I read a study of interviews with felons who admitted that they would avoid breaking into houses with dogs, because of the noise. Easier to move on to a quieter target.


After read I no about their policies with LEO, I never want a Ring, or any of those devices. I really don't want an Alexa or one of those things. I like to keep things in-house, so to speak.

[AllaN01Bear]

16. esp the littlle dogs.

[ms liberty]

17. Yea, they all think they're direwolves

[ancianita]

7. GOOD. RING is nothing but a surveillance mechanism for you as much as for outsiders.

[GoodRaisin]

9. I never got one. Don't need it because I don't answer the door.

Works great for not having to talk to pests.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

11. Same for me and my husband, my dear GoodRaisin!

We have an intercom, and we use it all the time.

[mitch96]

10. If you opt out with ring or Flock can't they just get a warrant? DIY seems like the way to go nt

[Fil1957]

12. Everyone with Ring Doorbell should do what you did due to sharing with ICE. If that were to happen Ring would have to

stop sharing or go out of business.

Like what happened with Disney and Kimmel.

[BlueKentuckyGirl]

13. Keep waiting for Vivent to do the same thing.

And when they do, I will also cancel my plan.

[pecosbob]

14. Even if you opt out, Flock data is already being abused by rogue LEOs and anyone with enough moxie to hack in.

Been more than a few cases already reported.

[txwhitedove]

15. I received Ring for door and garage from

kids. Never signed up with them for monthly. Can they still access my system?

[LittleGirl]

18. Only if you don't set up an account with Ring.

We set up a closed internet connection to our camera that is encrypted. We set up our own camera and use a separate system than ring.

[Chicagogrl1]

19. What is recommended then?