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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo let me get this straight
If you are a white, middle-aged man with a legal concealed-carry permit, who happens to be exercising your Second Amendment right to carry a firearm, then:
a) If federal agents find that holstered firearm on you in the course of wrestling you to the ground, they can shoot you dead even if you are not brandishing the firearm, your hands are empty, and you are already incapacitated.
b) The federal government will immediately, without an investigation, say the fact that you were exercising your Second Amendment right means that you are a domestic terrorist who was plotting to assassinate agents and wanted to commit a massacre.
I'll go on record saying that I'm not a pro-Second Amendment person and I think that strong gun control is the way to go. But what the feds are doing in this case is a gun-grabber fantasy the left could never even dream of.
The last time DHS smeared a US citizen who was murdered by ICE, it was an uppity lesbian who was annoying a cop by being nice to him. No fucks given on the right there, I'm sure. But how will they feel when DHS tells them that the concealed weapon they love to carry means that they're fair game to be shot by unaccountable feds anytime, anyplace, anywhere, after which the feds will smear them as domestic terrorists and cop-killers just because they were carrying?
This is Trump's base we're talking about here. How deep can the cognitive dissonance get before something snaps?
orangecrush
(28,909 posts)That their ranks are swelled with law enforcement that can't find work because of excessive force and behavioral issues, this should come as no surprise.
lapfog_1
(31,729 posts)the ICE agents and BP are their fellow travelers... they cannot imagine ICE shooting THEM plus the added bonus that this is their fantasy, to kill liberals and lesbians and anyone non-white.
SunImp
(2,638 posts)It doesn't matter if the means are legal or illegal to them whether it's through police brutality or some vigilante violence they'll eat it up & cheer. Sick mf all of them
Justice matters.
(9,504 posts)The Guardians Of Pedophiles killed it.
Welcome to Violent Chaos Land, because of them.
buzzycrumbhunger
(1,697 posts)This is probably what the fascists were hoping for.

BaronChocula
(4,098 posts)So I did a search for "Sons of Liberty die mad about it" (from the background logo in the pic) and here's what I found:
https://www.youtube.com/@SonsofLibertyOfficial
MineralMan
(150,742 posts)It is still a good idea to look both ways before crossing the street, though.
I learned that in first grade.
It is not the guns you carry that make you dangerous to despots and dictators. It is the guns nobody know you have.
Look both ways!
Cirsium
(3,483 posts)Hope you are doing OK. I can't believe what is happening in Minnesota.
EarthFirst
(3,990 posts)This particular execution was perpetrated against someone bearing witness to atrocities imposed on minority communities.
Theyll interpret this exactly how the narrative is being framed; and the comfort in their 2As that are tucked into their waistband will be defended at all cost.
surfered
(12,008 posts)while prostrate on the ground held by six officers. Why wasnt the one slugging the suspect trying to secure his hands?
These guys are not trained. Most appear to be just unprofessional yahoos with a mask, a badge (sometimes), and a gun.
Lulu KC
(8,608 posts)An ICE guy ran up to him and took the gun and ran. There are videos all over the reddit /minneapolis page of this from different perspectives. He had no gun when he was shot, and he was pinned to the ground. The guy who shot him had 8 years at DHS.
Nothing's adding up the way they say it is. Nothing.
catchnrelease
(2,137 posts)He was sprayed point blank in the face with pepper spray just seconds before he was dragged to the ground. He was in the middle of trying to help a woman up who had just been pushed to the ground by ICE guys. They were both sprayed in the face then.
sop
(17,710 posts)or holstered gun.
bigtree
(93,550 posts)...because the federal government has progressed from just attacking a narrow set of people in the country to what can only be percieved as outright war on ANYONE in America, citizens or not, law-abiding or not who they decide is against their self-appointed interests.
I think most Americans already percieved that. This should bring an unprecedented number to the streets, and I would hope that republicans are peeing themselves at the prospect.
They should spend this time watching documentaries from other nations whose people rose up and deposed murderous autocrats.
sop
(17,710 posts)catchnrelease
(2,137 posts)While exercising his first and second amendment rights.
Klarkashton
(4,891 posts)drmeow
(5,954 posts)Cognitive dissonance means you will change whatever it takes to make you comfortable again. When you are a brainwashed cult member, you can't change your believe in the people in power over you. So, to eliminate your discomfort, you will accept every and any excuse they give you. The cognitive dissonance is what makes them not believe the videos - it won't make them change their mind about Trump and his goons.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - THAT was the snap: the rejection of any and all facts and clear evidence.
dalton99a
(92,538 posts)ancianita
(43,115 posts)in the hearts and minds of the individuals who we know as the hardened trumpcult.
hatrack
(64,385 posts)And that's how deep it will be for the foreseeable future for at least 20% of the population of this fucked-up country.
Joinfortmill
(20,279 posts)peppertree
(23,160 posts)It was always about fomenting highly-armed (and well-financed) paramilitaries - with "absolute immunity" and at the disposal of whomever they could use as a fascist dictator.
For anyone else - as you noted - the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply - and exercise thereof, however prudent (as in this case), will be used as a pretext to execute said person.
Especially if perceived to be a "lib'rul."
ForeGoneLegsBirne
(6 posts)usedtobedemgurl
(1,937 posts)If they cannot get liberals to be violent, so they can bring out the insurrection act, then they turn to people to anger because they have been proven violent. J6 was not a friendly tour group.
angrychair
(11,805 posts)When it comes to mango Mussolini. I mean they used to scream endlessly about the "Epstein Files" and now they scream its a Democratic plot against Trump.
They now love pedophiles and even blame the little girls themselves for causing it.
The Republican Party is a domestic terrorist organization and should be disbanded. It's not a difference of opinion. It's moral and ethical imperative.
littlemissmartypants
(32,052 posts)Wednesdays
(21,742 posts)It's A-okay if the person with the weapon is wearing your team's jersey.
Dulcinea
(9,769 posts)He's unemployable otherwise.
Wednesdays
(21,742 posts)He's the darling of the RWNJ's.
LuvLoogie
(8,582 posts)They know they are full of shit.
creeksneakers2
(7,957 posts)But the Fascists will probably ignore it.
Joinfortmill
(20,279 posts)Native
(7,312 posts)These people can barely walk and chew gum at the same time, and we're assuming they can hold two separate thoughts or beliefs simultaneously?
FakeNoose
(40,431 posts)The ICE-goons can commit murder and tell lies about their actions because ... reasons. Because they are ICE and they don't need any other reason. But on the same token they aren't police officers, because then they would have to follow standard LEO procedures. They would be required to have many months of training, and they would have to answer to superiors. Nope, none of that for them.
Skittles
(169,937 posts)now that it's actually here, they not only SUPPORT tyranny, they PARTICIPATE
Brenda
(1,959 posts)So they don't believe the true recorded facts of the murder.
Instead they believe every word that comes out of DHS, ICE and of course Der Chump.
We really are at an inflection point.
It's not just the ICE and CBP murderous, violent and illegal actions that are piling up around the country - even in Maine for fuck's sake - it's the avalanche of chaos and collapse brought on by tariffs, illegal "wars" and the price of beef, to name a few.
The snapping will happen before the mid terms but then there's the huge likelihood the Fascist Fucks will make it worse after the Dems sweep.
The Dems in office now and in the future cannot STAND BY! I'm glad to see Walz activating the National Guard and working closely with the Police of Minneapolis. ACTION.
gulliver
(13,763 posts)The guy should definitely have not had a gun at a peaceful protest. Democratic leaders should be telling all peaceful protesters that guns should not be brought to protests. It may be too late. I hope not.
Right wing 2A absolutists are definitely going to defend this guy's right to carry his gun at a public event billed as peaceful protest. They are going to be very validated by this. That's not good. Not good at all.
JustAnotherGen
(37,701 posts)This is Trump's base we're talking about here. How deep can the cognitive dissonance get before something snaps?
They think they are free.
herding cats
(19,982 posts)It's at least one angle we need to be screaming from the rooftops about this blatant abuse of power.
There are multiple videos showing the man was both disarmed when he was shot and was at no point brandishing his lawfully carried weapon at the ICE agents.
They walked right through his constitutional right to carry and twisted it back on him as an excuse for his killing. All while he broke no laws nor protocols for properly carrying his firearm.