How drunk or stoned were those bastards that murdered

[Klarkashton]

Alex? NOBODY is asking this question.

This is goddamn serious. This shit is isn't at all normal behavior.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. "NOBODY is asking this question."

Why do you suppose that is?

[Klarkashton]

2. I can only guess. It hasn't crossed anyone else's mind?

This is the simple answer for the aggressive "who cares" behavior.

No one has brought this up

[mahatmakanejeeves]

5. "No one has brought this up"

Because it's wrong.

They did this because that's the kind of people they are. They were acting perfectly normally -- for them. They didn't need anything extra.

[Klarkashton]

12. Mine is ths simplest answer for simple people.

They don't know all that shit. They know how to get drunk and do horrible shit.

The death camp Nazis were drunk all the time.

[niyad]

22. I do not recall hearing that about the death camp guards.

Citations, please?

[Klarkashton]

24. How about looking it up?

You know how.

[niyad]

29. YOU stated it, YOU back it up. That is how this works, so knock

off the insults.

[Klarkashton]

33. No insult this is so well know that it is astounding

That you would ask for a reference.
Try the film Shoah to start with and then try wiki.
I really can't believe this argument honest to god.

[PeaceWave]

36. OP, the problem is that your post comes across as lacking empathy...

Imagine that someone very close to you was hurt by another person in some terrible way. And, then, a third person walked up and said to you "I wonder if the guy who did that to your loved one was drunk at the time?" How would you feel about such a question?

[Klarkashton]

38. The fact that the bastards were probably drunk

Only makes this worse.

The situation is completely out of control and we are under siege by maniacs.

[Polybius]

50. Probably?

Now you're saying that there's a better than 50% chance they werre drunk based on zero evidence?

[luv2fly]

49. Kind of like when people post about old people...

... and then proceed to throw out stereotypes about diapers and such. THEN when called on it, rather than apologize, they just delete the post, pretending it never happened and they were never insensitive.

Totally lacking empathy... I hear it happens.

[niyad]

40. see post 31

[niyad]

41. see post 29.

[Disaffected]

45. Yes, I'm astounded

I didn't know that either.

[Klarkashton]

44. Sure thing.

[niyad]

7. Sadistic monsters do not need alcohol or drugs. They get high on the

pain and damage and fear they inflict and create. I would be more inclined to look at "roid rage" than alcohol as an added factor. Plain, thorough evil, though, really does not need any help.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

11. I concur. They hurt people because they can.

It's a display of power. This is normal for them.

[Klarkashton]

15. Yes they do.

[niyad]

17. Yes they do. .what, exactly??

[Klarkashton]

20. Get drunk before going out.

Is this new to you?

[niyad]

27. Kindly produce citations or list your experiences. I am, unfortunately,

well-acquainted with sadistic monsters, no alcohol involved, so you can skip the snark, thank you.

[Klarkashton]

47. I take it you have no actual experience dealing

With proud boys and other low life bastards.

I have.

How about leaving it at that.

[Polybius]

52. You're getting no recs, and niyad is getting tons

Time to self-delete and take the loss. It happens, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Polybius]

51. Stop

What about their leader? Trump doesn't even drink.

[yellow dahlia]

21. Or those weird "real man" pills they sell on RWmedia and the RW podcasts.

[gopiscrap]

3. or on steroids

[Klarkashton]

4. No this is serious.

[Brother Buzz]

9. Um, roid rage is some serious shit.

[niyad]

16. So are we.

[niyad]

10. I see I am not the only one.

[House of Roberts]

6. Probably on meth.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

8. In a normal world,

they would have had their blood drawn following the shooting.

This one?

[niyad]

13. In a normal world, this horror would not be happening.

[Klarkashton]

18. Meth is too complicated. Lots of cheap hooch in cold

Weather would do it

Honest to god.

[Blues Heron]

26. Meth is not even slightly complicated. Bovino probably gives them the pills himself

[Klarkashton]

34. Sure he would JFC already.

[Blues Heron]

37. Most armies have some version of speed, it's not at all far fetched.

[Polybius]

53. Meth isn't pills

Self-delete.

[Blues Heron]

56. It can be, look up the Nazi drug pervitin

[Historic NY]

14. They moved them out so its a little too late.

[Klarkashton]

19. They fucking know it.

[John1956PA]

23. Energy drinks increase aggression, impulsivity and irritability, . . .

. . . or so I have read.

You ask an astute question. There are insightful replies in this thread.

[Klarkashton]

25. Energy drinks aren't known to cause shootings and murder.

Sorry.

[PeaceWave]

28. While you're at it, why not ask if the agents were temporarily insane?

Seriously. There is absolutely no need to look for excuses or extenuating circumstances to explain what these agents did. It was straight up murder committed by consciously aware killers. That is what we all witnessed. Hopefully, one day, that is what a jury will decide they too witnessed.

[fujiyamasan]

30. They're screening to recruit the worst of the worst

So they already got a certain profile of rage and absence of any legal or moral decency.

It’s possible they were on amphetamines or steroids of some sort, but that just amplifies ingrained antisocial and aggressive behavior.

They didn’t necessarily need drugs to act the way they did. This goes for members of any violent group — gangs, terrorists, armies commiting genocide, etc.

[niyad]

31. Your posts are showing a degree of myopia that has become tedious.

Perhaps you could call it a night before they become overtly offensive.

[Klarkashton]

43. So are yours

.

[niyad]

46. I am wounded to the core!

[ananda]

32. Or roid rage

...

[RandySF]

35. I'm not thinking drunk.

Maybe took something to reduce stress but heightened aggression?

[Keepthesoulalive]

39. How about they are just mean bastards

People don’t need drugs to beat their spouses or attack the capital. They are already amped up on anger and rage. Please stop excusing hate and racism, they have low impulse control, ignorance and stupidity. A very toxic combination.

[chowder66]

42. Guns are some peoples form of drugs.

Using them is their buzz. Killing or maiming is their pay off and so the cycle goes.

[stopdiggin]

48. I don't think there are a lot of LE agencies

that are known to tolerate any kind of substantive drinking or drugs on the job. If you're going to make this inference (running counter to conventional wisdom) I think you have to provide some kind of evidence. Otherwise - it just sounds like hot air and barstool speculation.

[no_hypocrisy]

54. Just following "Tradition".

Third Reich military leaders and high command authorized the widespread distribution of drugs, particularly methamphetamine (Pervitin), to troops to enhance performance, increase alertness, and reduce fatigue. Over 35 million methamphetamine pills were distributed to German soldiers between April and July 1940 to aid Blitzkrieg operations.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

55. Shooting someone in anger or frustration is unfortunately pretty common, especially in a controlling situation.

[Emile]

57. When a truck driver has an accident, or driving violation, they do a mandatory drug test.

You would think for something like murdering people, they would at the least do that.