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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBruce Springsteen's new protest song is important because it's AUTHENTIC and human - not AI
And before anyone here suggests it's important because he's famous - ask yourself if it would mean nearly as much, or anything at all, if he'd written and recorded it using AI.
Not only wouldn't it mean much, but he would have lost fans and tarnished his legacy.
We've seen a number of AI-generated "protest songs" posted here the last couple of years. There are entire channels with AI slop protest songs, most of them anonymous.
They're all worthless as messaging because they're AI. They're not an authentic human voice and an authentic human message expressed via authentic human talent. They're just AI slop generated in minutes or less from a prompt, by mindless software that will go on forever offering different options from the same prompt, with no consciousness of what any of the words are supposed to mean.
This is a point I've tried to get across to people here who think what's generated by AI - whether words or images or video or music (or all combined in an AI slop video) - is worth creating, or at least worth posting, if there's a political message (including satire ridiculing Trump).
It isn't worth anything. It isn't worth the electricity wasted to generate it, or the water wasted to cool the data center.
It definitely isn't worth the human time wasted to generate it, or share it online, or read it. Because it's just something vomited out by a machine following a prompt.
And even if whoever generates a protest song video, made mostly using AI, claims the lyrics are theirs, there is simply no good reason to believe those weren't also AI-generated, unless they have evidence they wrote the words earlier, before generative AI that could write lyrics was available. No reason to believe someone stooping to use AI for one element of a video wouldn't have used it in every element.
It's a matter of credibility.
Imagine if Bruce said, for instance, that some but not all of the lyrics of his new song were generated by ChatGPT. Not only would that inevitably leave people doubting that any of the lyrics were his own, but it would leave other musicians, creatives of all types, and everyone who cares about humanity vs. AI, feeling disappointed and betrayed.
Some of the people who've said AI-generated protest songs are a good thing have argued that this is a time that calls for more protest songs. And that's true.
But they have to be real songs, from real people. Not AI.
hlthe2b
(113,095 posts)Like NOTHING typically recorded today. (Yeah, I have major attitude)
AZJonnie
(3,046 posts)The large majority of non-live albums since multi-track recording became the norm in the 70's are just that, not live (i.e. not every member playing together). It's so common that when the version on the (studio) album is actually a whole group all playing together and being recorded at the same time, it's kinda notable, bands will put in the liner notes things like "this album was recorded live in studio" types of things to demark the specialness of that recording style (as you say, nowadays
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It remains, however, pretty damn common for the rhythm section to play/record together (in two booths, using headphones to hear each other) to lay down the backing rhythm tracks (which then goes on the album), then other people lay down their tracks on top of that foundation (guitar, vocals, keys, horns, etc), typically one at a time. I don't think there's any shame in that, but autotune is a whole other degree of lameness, totally agree there!
The most key point though is it's still PEOPLE!
hlthe2b
(113,095 posts)And, FORGETTING THE AUTOTUNE ISSUE FOR THE MOMENT, to the second point: I am speaking to the pulling of disparate digital recordings of instrumentals and tacking them together--whatever you want to call that today as opposed to actually recording the instrumentals at the same time or at least in the same studio later-- to combine & produce the final recording. Recording together does not mean they have to all be in the same room a la Beatles doing their "Get Back" or "Let it Be" documentary recordings. But, searching for some unknown playing a digital instrumental track and/or using AI to generate it and using it to back a singing track may be today's preferred way of doing so, but it certainly is not mine (nor Springsteen's fortunately).
But, back to point 1, I still hate Autotune and will not listen to the crap vocalists who use it. I am aware there are fare more technologically advanced alternatives to Autotune that are less obvious and obnoxious. But, those are the performers who have to be blasted out by backing recorded vocals or instrumentals in concert because they can't begin to sing anything comparable to the recording. It is telling. Today we have tons of singers who really cannot sing and for all the technology to "fix" that, it shows.
AZJonnie
(3,046 posts)Post Malone is someone who pisses me off with the autotune BS because he's actually a great vocalist without it, yet he still uses it on his albums (often times pretty glaringly). It works for him in terms of being one of the biggest selling artists of the last 15 years but it frustrates me cause the dude doesn't need it and sounds better without it. I look forward to that dude doing a raw rock and roll album someday with no fucking autotune
hlthe2b
(113,095 posts)I frankly feel sorry for those Gen-Z, Gen-alpha, and many others who never experience quality music, especially those who don't know what melody is--if all they ever hear is beat-driven Rap.
Jbraybarten
(204 posts)ABC123Easy
(123 posts)I can't listen to the song at this time so I wanted to ask about it. Having not heard it but having seen the title of the song, is it just a take on "Streets of Philadelphia"?
Seeing the title kind of put me off since it looks like he just modified SoP?
Again, big fan of the Bruce, and have been a musician in the past, just cannot listen to it at this time because of audio equipment issues right now.
AZJonnie
(3,046 posts)It's a whole different song
ABC123Easy
(123 posts)Thank you!
Wiz Imp
(9,180 posts)No connection to Streets of Philadelphia.
Lyrics:
Down Nicollet Avenue
A city aflame fought fire and ice
Neath an occupiers boots
King Trumps private army from the DHS
Guns belted to their coats
Came to Minneapolis to enforce the law
Or so their story goes
Against smoke and rubber bullets
By the dawns early light
Citizens stood for justice
Their voices ringing through the night
And there were bloody footprints
Where mercy should have stood
And two dead left to die on snow-filled streets
Alex Pretti and Renee Good
Oh our Minneapolis, I hear your voice
Singing through the bloody mist
Well take our stand for this land
And the stranger in our midst
Here in our home they killed and roamed
In the winter of 26
Well remember the names of those who died
On the streets of Minneapolis
Trumps federal thugs beat up on
His face and his chest
Then we heard the gunshots
And Alex Pretti lay in the snow, dead
Their claim was self defense, sir
Just dont believe your eyes
Its our blood and bones
And these whistles and phones
Against Miller and Noems dirty lies
Oh our Minneapolis, I hear your voice
Crying through the bloody mist
Well remember the names of those who died
On the streets of Minneapolis
Now they say theyre here to uphold the law
But they trample on our rights
If your skin is black or brown my friend
You can be questioned or deported on sight
In chants of ICE out now
Our citys heart and soul persists
Through broken glass and bloody tears
On the streets of Minneapolis
Oh our Minneapolis, I hear your voice
Singing through the bloody mist
Here in our home they killed and roamed
In the winter of 26
Well take our stand for this land
And the stranger in our midst
Well remember the names of those who died
On the streets of Minneapolis
Well remember the names of those who died
On the streets of Minneapolis
lostnfound
(17,433 posts)Including multiple genres.
Coldplay, Beyoncé, taylor swift, U2, foo fighters, DCFC, Rihanna, GreenDay, etc. etc.,
Their fan base would hear it.
Assuming Bruce would give permissions, of course.