Alex Pretti's murderers are identified as Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez

[Stargleamer]

BREAKING: The two federal immigration agents who fired on Minneapolis protester Alex Pretti are identified in government records as Border Patrol agent Jesus Ochoa and Customs and Border Protection officer Raymundo Gutierrez.

— ProPublica (@propublica.org) 2026-02-01T21:10:18.072Z

[malaise]

1. Hope they die in state prison

Rec

[dweller]

28. state prison ?

I suspect they’ll be deported to CECOT , citizen or no …

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[Swede]

73. State charges, not federal.

Trump cannot pardon state charges.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Finally. May there be justice for Pretti. ...n/t

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

24. plus 1

[fierywoman]

3. May they reap what they have sowed a thousandfold.

[Duncan Grant]

4. What? I was expecting their names to be Lon Butcher and Earl Dingess.

Holy shite, how do these guys sleep at night?

[PittBlue]

5. I was thinking the same thing.

[Ritabert]

12. I saw a screenshot of the one guy's eyes...

...and even with a balaclava on you could see the dark skin under the eyes typical of Hispanics or Indians.

[Marcuse]

42. It is profitable.

[vapor2]

59. I guess DEI doesn't apply to Ice

[Aviation Pro]

6. Latino?

They will be thrown under the bus, then the prison then the dumpster fire by President Miller et al before the end of the week.

Sucks to be them.

[UTUSN]

16. Sounds like it from the surnames for starters. Also the recent one, DUI "covered in vomit" - so

as others have said, the White Nationalists won't take a hit - next better thing than deportation and killing others is taking the heat off themselves and (in their mind) proving their core point (racism).

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/31/cbp-border-agent-charged-drunk-driving

CBP employee in Minnesota charged after reportedly being found ‘covered in vomit’ in car
Alfredo Mancillas was reportedly slumped in vehicle and ‘covered in vomit’ when state troopers found him in St Paul

********UNQUOTE*****

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. White supremacy is a little more complicated than that

[dem4decades]

76. The proud boys guy was cuban, they don't think they're latin.

[JI7]

7. The right wing will be less likely to defend them

[Srkdqltr]

8. I wonder what their immigration status is. This whole thing is so stupid and people are getting killed.

[iemanja]

45. You do realize there are Latinos in this country

Whose families were here centuries before Anglo-Americans? That’s what happens when a country steals half its territory from Spain and Mexico. Assuming someone has any particular immigration status because they have a Hispanic name is exactly what ICE does.

[Srkdqltr]

49. Yes i am aware they were here first, particularly in the south and west. There was always people here before.

And Latino Spanish people are European, white.

[iemanja]

56. Then why would you make that comment about immigration status?

What makes you think it’s any different when directed toward Border Agents?

[surfered]

79. Illegal aliens can't join the military. It requires an SSN

They can’t get those

[surfered]

82. This

[erronis]

53. Thank you. It is stupid for any of us to equate names with character.

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How many had names switched by immigration to something looking more "English"?

How many are descendants of families that have intertwined with other cultures for centuries?

And it is an insult to anyone with an "ethnic" name that has served this country in many ways.
(Edited to remove an unnecessary defamatory statement.)

[iemanja]

57. Don't agree with the poor write trash talk

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but I rec’d your post for the rest.

BTW, those “poor white trash” are my ancestors on my father’s side. The one who first came over was an indentured servant. Servants, like the enslaved, were not trash because of their legal status, anymore than the working poor today are trash.

[erronis]

61. Agree. I got carried away by trying to find an anti analogy.

[iemanja]

65. All good.

[susanr516]

63. True

I live in south Texas, which was part of Mexico until the Mexican American war. An old saying here is, "A Gringo is anyone born north of the Nueces River." Another says, "We didn't cross the border. The border crossed us."

[Torchlight]

88. Sounds serious

Good luck.

[LudwigPastorius]

9. Oinc oinc, putas.

It's going to be tough in prison for former cops.

[Cha]

10. Fucking Murdering Shit for brains

SHITHEADS FRY IN HELL

[Jilly_in_VA]

11. The irony

For someone named JESUS to be a murderer. I hope his mother is proud.

And BTW, where are these guys? I bet they are not hiding out in Mar-a-Lardo like Jonathan Ross. Hand 'em over, CBP. NOW!

[Ritabert]

13. I suspect they headed down I-35 and are somewhere in Texas

[MustLoveBeagles]

15. They should be in custody

Along with Johnathan Ross.

[dalton99a]

14. "The DEI hires made a bad decision"

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. Twenty years of experience between them. Training isn't the issue. Abolish it all.

[GusBob]

71. 20 years a experience where? On the southern border?

Do you that maybe that’s where they learned the trade ?

The Devils highway is a bad place to get trained

[WhiskeyGrinder]

72. 20 years of fulfilling the mission of CBP. This is what it looks like, no matter where they serve.

[tblue37]

80. The problem with poorly trained or well trained Nazis isn't the level of training--it's that they are Nazis.

[flvegan]

18. Have they been charged with anything yet? Has Jonathan Ross? n/t

[dalton99a]

19. Nope.

[Takket]

21. no and they won't be charged with anything as lnog as Bondi heads the DOJ

only question is if the next AG will indict or will drumpf pardon them

[JI7]

23. After seeing their names I think there is a chance they could be charged

[bluestarone]

22. I have to on the side that says BULLSHIT. I'm betting there are MORE shooters than this. ALSO

I trust none of this for now. They just throw 2 names out there? It would not surprise me in the least that the REAL killers are still working there. It's just to fast to trust these FUCKERS.

[Ritabert]

31. I can tell by the one shooter's eyes if they publish a picture without the balaclava

Very distinctive.

[bluestarone]

34. Well, let us know what you think if you see it.

I just cannot believe them, because they lie lie lie.

[Ritabert]

86. Somebody posted the other guy's picture today...

...and that wasn't the one I saw. His name was Jesus, go figure.

[bluestarone]

87. TY for that. I'm not sure who fingered these two, BUT

If it came from ICE boss's i will never believe it. I fear the true killers will not be found.

[Ritabert]

89. The one guy's ex-wife said he was a gun nut and had 25 guns.

[leftyladyfrommo]

25. Maybe ICE is hiring goons from the Mexican druggers. I mean really,

What kind of person can execute someone and then just walk away like it was no big
deal. Those guys are really bad dudes that are coming in for the high salaries.

[iemanja]

52. And you conclude that because they are Hispanic

Ignoring the fact that families in the border region were here centuries before Anglo-Americans. It’s not the agents who are exposed.

[Takket]

26. This right here........

This article is a very good example of why "more training" and "more vetting" isn't the answer. Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez joined Border Patrol in 2018 and 2014 respectively. These aren't new agents. www.propublica.org/article/alex...

— hannah gais (@hannahgais.bsky.social) 2026-02-01T22:02:07.150Z

it ain't the lack of training (though that is a problem as well). These organizations are rotten to the core and no one in them is employable.

[Ritabert]

27. Consider the level of cognitive dissonance needed....

....for a person with brown skin to be hunting people with brown skin. If they're in civvies going to the store they could be nabbed themselves.

[LuvLoogie]

78. Preserving and enforcing white supremacy

does not require white skin. Having white skin will not protect you from the enforcement of white supremacy.

That said, Spanish surnames are European surnames. There are white Hispanics with little to no indigenous DNA. And there is plenty of right-wing, toxic masculinity to go around.

[Ritabert]

85. True.

[johnp3907]

29. Quislings?

[Ritabert]

30. They just don't contemplate that they could be picked up too

...plus they're being paid.

[haele]

37. Probably former military, poverty draft. CBP hired in 2014 and 2018?

Jobs for combat only vets, especially if they only did 3 and out, or 4 and out, who basically just graduated HS and had minimal skills other than being bi-lingual are the type DHS was hiring for ICE and CBP Enforcement.
Same attitude with local sheriff's departments all over the SW.
They didn't need people with smarts or integrity, they just needed people who could look tough, speak Spanish, and follow orders.

And the Hispanic guys end up trained to view immigrants the same as the White Nationalist bubbas - the current asylum seekers and border crossers are criminal invaders doing it the wrong way.
Not like hard working Mama and Papa, Abuelita and Abuelo, or the Tios and Tias did back before the last major mass Amnesty programs during the Reagan and Bush 41 era...because, of course after Gingrich and Faux News started popularizing the GOP agenda, any Democrats proposing mass Amnesty means they're going to let cartel and gang members in.

[MichMan]

44. That's not what the link stated

"Jobs for combat only vets, especially if they only did 3 and out, or 4 and out, who basically just graduated HS and had minimal skills other than being bi-lingual are the type DHS was hiring for ICE and CBP Enforcement."

Ochoa, who goes by Jesse, graduated from the University of Texas-Pan American with a degree in criminal justice, according to his ex-wife, Angelica Ochoa. A longtime resident of the Rio Grande Valley, Ochoa had for years dreamed of working for the Border Patrol and finally landed a job there, she said. By the time the couple split in 2021, he had become a gun enthusiast with about 25 rifles, pistols and shotguns, Angelica Ochoa said.

[haele]

64. My fault for not reading the article.

But my comments do still stand for a lot of BCP over the years in this border town. It's the excuse many have used to others in their communities.

[IcyPeas]

32. Statement from ex-wife, Angelica Ochoa: (from the ProPublica article)

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Ochoa, who goes by Jesse, graduated from the University of Texas-Pan American with a degree in criminal justice, according to his ex-wife, Angelica Ochoa. A longtime resident of the Rio Grande Valley, Ochoa had for years dreamed of working for the Border Patrol and finally landed a job there, she said. By the time the couple split in 2021, he had become a gun enthusiast with about 25 rifles, pistols and shotguns, Angelica Ochoa said.

[Ms. Toad]

41. EX-wife. n/t

[IcyPeas]

54. Correct... fixed.

[surrealAmerican]

33. "identified in government records"?

How sure are we that these records are accurate?
It could be those were just agents they wanted to get rid of.

[Scrivener7]

35. So Stephen MIller, whose immigrant grandparents fled pogroms against Jews in Russia,

is the Nazi leader of a rogue militia that includes Latino men who are killing protestors standing up for Latino immigrants.

I know this has something to teach us, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is.

[Cirsium]

38. Self hate

Very disturbing.

I watched a video yesterday of white MAGA "trad wife" women saying that the greatest threat the country faces comes from "liberal white women."

[Scrivener7]

39. I just finished watching the documentary on HBO "Let us Prey." It goes some way to explaining that horror.

At least the women in the most conservative circles.

[Cirsium]

46. Identification with the Aggressor

A common use of this term refers to the ways in which, often unconsciously, people might “identify” with their aggressors through mimicry. For example, a child victim of verbal abuse who becomes verbally abusive toward others might be imitating the behaviors he was subjected to, as an attempt to experience a sense of safety (other defense mechanisms, such as displacement, might also be at play). Identification with the aggressor is, in this way, understood as a form of imitation of behaviors or ways of being.

Ferenczi understood identification with the aggressor differently. He observed that many victims of childhood sexual abuse experienced helplessness and anxiety in the relationship with their abusers, to the point of “[subordinating] themselves like automata to the will of the aggressor, to divine each one of his desires and to gratify these; completely oblivious to themselves they identify themselves with the aggressor” (Ferenczi, 1949). As psychoanalyst Jay Frankel (2002) puts it, “we stop being ourselves and transform ourselves into someone else’s image of us.” To be safe from abuse, the child needs to learn what is expected of them and become who the adult needs them to be, by “identifying” with the adult’s needs, expectations, demands, and desires.

This is not a conscious process, a decision, or a choice the child makes. The process of identification is unconscious and automatic, getting reinforced with each interaction, particularly when no other adult is available to witness, protect, or help us make sense of the experience, or when the abuse is denied, minimized, or invalidated. The child will develop an acute sensibility to other people’s moods, anticipate other’s demands and expectations, and accommodate their own self to what they consciously or unconsciously perceive that the aggressor requires from them.

"Identifying" with the adults around us is not necessarily a bad thing and, in fact, can be very important in the development of our personality and sense of self. However, psychoanalyst and trauma expert Elizabeth Howell (2014) notes that Ferenczi does not talk about healthy identification that supports the child’s developing identity. Instead, traumatic identification with the aggressor is a response to events that cannot be assimilated into narrative memory but, instead, remain unlinked and dissociated.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/relationships-healing-relationships/202401/identification-with-the-aggressor-and-complex

[erronis]

66. That's a powerful excerpt and can easily be used by "state" forces to subjugate. 1984. 2026.

[B.See]

40. Look around. The lesson is,

there will ALWAYS be those from every minority who'll seek to gain acceptance, protection, even profit, from embracing or endorsing an ideology of racism and hate. That kind of s--- is as old as the slave trade.

[Scrivener7]

55. Stephen Miller isn't doing this to gain acceptance.

[B.See]

58. I'm not so much concerned

about the cause, and not nearly as much as the effect.

[Cirsium]

36. Of course

Again and again when a LEO is identified and brought to justice it is so rarely Anglo men even though the majority of the perpetrators are Anglo men. No, it will be women, or Latinos, or African Americans.

[Escape]

43. SAY THEIR NAMES.....

over and over and over and over again. Until they are no longer safe ANYWHERE outside a federal prison!

[JoseBalow]

62. The least safest place for them will be in prison

[Escape]

67. Okey Dokey

[struggle4progress]

47. I'll wait for the result of Minnesota's investigation, thanks

[paleotn]

48. As sinkingfeeling mentioned on another thread, I wonder if this is for real

Or is this a DHS leak meant to cover for the actual murderers. Granted, there's more than enough fascism in the Latino community, but this just seems a little too convenient for me.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143609580#post8

I'll hold judgement until more is known. When the true murderers are doxed, go to work on them.

[2na fisherman]

50. CBP Killing Fields Of Southern Border

How may Spanish-speaking rogue CBP agents are accustomed to committing crimes against Latinos along the Mexican border? They often patrol in small groups in uninhabited areas. And they probably operate under minimal supervision, especially at night. So some may feel they can get away with drug crimes, sex crimes and even murder under color of law. Banditos with badges. Some have already been busted for things like this. ICE and CBP must be completely overhauled and all rogue agents must be screened out ASAP. And there must be constant oversight of such agencies to prevent the recruitment and fostering of a work culture which supports goon squads rather than peace officers.

[LeftInTX]

74. They aren't used to "social justice, hipster, progressive urban" protesters.

Their idea of a protest is a truck caravan.
And yes, minimal supervision. Since they target immigrants who are more than likely here illegally, and are often trafficking something or other, no one seems to give a fuck if one of them dies.

[Mysterian]

51. Indict, prosecute, convict and imprison these murderers

when the rule of law is re-established in the USA.

[Norrrm]

60. With those names, shouldn't Trump be jumping to conclusions that this can be blamed on DEI?

??? Definitely!
??? Not a bit!

[usonian]

68. If so, perhaps it's to help them blend in.

IN ARGENTINA.

[Give Peace A Chance]

69. Holy Batshit!

These are the people trump promised to DEPORT!

[surfered]

84. That's what Trump thinks

[mucifer]

70. Kapos!

[Ping Tung]

75. White American thugs don't have a corner on being killers and torturers.