American voters did this. American voters did this. And in case I didn't mention it, "American voters did this."

[Miles Archer]

OK, first off, we don't know, and will probably never know, exactly what Trump meant when he "thanked" Musk after the election, saying "Elon knows those vote-counting computers."

We know that, on paper, 77 million Americans voted for Trump, 74 million for Harris, and 90 million Americans sat out the election.

That's BEFORE we know about any "tomfoolery," and we may stay in the dark forever on that.

SO...while it may seem like ignorance on my part, I can't see past 77 million + 90 million Americans being personally responsible for where we are at right now.

Trump ran on lowering food prices. We knew he was never going to do that.

He ran on "I AM YOUR RETRIBUTION," which meant "I'm going to seek revenge for my real and imagined issues, and fuck you."

He ran on deporting as many brown people as possible. Actually, it was President Stephen Miller who ran on that, with Trump nodding in agreement.

WE KNEW THAT, with John Roberts' "total immunity" benediction in his pocket, that we'd get a MUCH WORSE VERSION of Trump with ALL OF THE GUARDRAILS GONE. No more "adults in the room" to talk him down from his worst impulses. WE KNEW ALL OF THAT.

And, America said "Please, SIR, we want some MORE." Most of this came from big beefy rugged buffed men who sobbed uncontrollably. But whatever the demographic, VOTERS DID THIS. They INVITED the vampires back into the house.

ALL of these people...Trump, Vance, Musk, Bondi, Patel, Pirro, Hegseth...EVERY ONE OF THEM would have sought the path that would reward them for being their own worst selves.

AMERICAN VOTERS PROVIDED THAT PATH.

I don't like seeing people suffer. And it accomplishes nothing by pointing the finger at the people who made this possible, but I will not give American voters a pass,

They should have known better. Maybe they did and went for this anyway. BUT THEY WENT FOR IT. And yeah, maybe Musk "helped." I don't think we'll ever know. And if we do, it will be too late to do anything about it, because like all of us, every player involved will eventually head off to their own dirt naps and will be free forever from the legal noose.

We have a chance to make it right, starting in November. NO...I WILL NOT COWER IN FEAR over the "possibility" of Trump either canceling the Midterms OR flipping the resuilts in Republicans' favor, if they lose. We already know what he attempted in his first term. BECAUSE OF JOHN ROBERTS, he'll attempt much worse THIS TIME. I'm planning to vote ANYWAY.

End of rant.

[Blue Full Moon]

1. It means exactly what he said.

Musk had attacked the person over India's voting and then he said any device could be hacked. He's on trial in France for election interference. Trump also alluded again to the election being rigged for him during a televised event. This is exactly the scenario that Jim Baker talked about in the committee he chaired with Jimmy Carter. In fact the example he gave of the insider was Trump's Taq Mahal casino using slot machines to laundry money to Russians. The slot machines and the voting machines use the same platform. Paid the largest fine in US history. Probably why he thinks he deserves our country's wealth. He had the schematics for the machines. China gave to to them. Along with a bunch official licensing which doesn't occur.
Don't go but the Big Lie means that they would never cheat. Just because they didn't do it then doesn't mean that they didn't now. By the way the Tabulators is how the votes get manipulated. Don't forget that Triad in Ohio got caught manipulating votes that George Bush jr put a gag order on the ruling.

[liberalla]

15. I find this video very illuminating.

Just a very quick demonstration:

[Blue Full Moon]

21. Should also have mentioned

Tina Peters Mesa County election official that is in jail right now for election fraud. This story doesn't make sense until you put Mike Lindell's court testimony with it. She gave Lindell's man unsupervised access to EVMs. They said they were proving the Big Lie. In reality what makes sense, is that Lindell testified that he had bought a computer program that would allow the EVMs to be hacked. The Big Lie was a lie to cover up the fact they were setting up the EVMs to be hacked. So this one case got caught, there is no way that was an isolated incident.

[OldBaldy1701E]

2. " I can't see past 77 million + 90 million Americans being personally responsible for where we are at right now."

Well, that is just it.

They are not personally responsible. They figure they bear no responsibility at all.

That needs to change, if we are going to correct things moving forward. There needs to be a constant narrative about the fact that those people who were waving trump flags and yelling out of truck windows while they 'roll coal' are responsible and need to be held to some kind of account.

I am not sure what that accounting should be, but I am sure it has to happen, otherwise there will be no credibility in our government at all.

[Miles Archer]

3. Yeah, remember Trump's pandemic response...

By Caitlin Oprysko
03/13/2020 06:32 PM EDT


President Donald Trump on Friday deflected blame for his administration’s lagging ability to test Americans for the coronavirus outbreak, insisting instead — without offering evidence — that fault lies with his predecessor, Barack Obama.

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” Trump said defiantly, pointing to an unspecified “set of circumstances” and “rules, regulations and specifications from a different time.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/trump-coronavirus-testing-128971

[yardwork]

4. Sometimes things just end.

Democracies end.

We may be looking at the end of our democracy.

[PatSeg]

6. Sadly, that may be true

[FakeNoose]

5. K & R Bookmarked

Yes the American voters did this, and also the failure of citizens to care enough to vote is America's other problem. Both sides of the same coin, and the coin is manipulated by the US media.

Why is the Democratic Party having so much difficulty in bringing this issue to light before the American people? Once again, it's manipulated by the US media. It all falls on the complicity of the media.

[FalloutShelter]

11. This!

See my rant at #10.

[LSparkle]

14. Media is to blame -- it's a popularity contest for them

The class clown was more entertaining and popular than the smart student council girl.

Someone once told me that life is like high school and never really improves. I’d say more like JUNIOR high school (with Blondi as head mean girl).

[FakeNoose]

20. Agree!!

[Joinfortmill]

7. He always confesses.

[calimary]

8. Yep. Own up, America.

YOU voted for this. YOU did. A majority of YOU. Stop believing the propaganda and LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENING. Yes, I’m SHOUTING!!!

[Dave Id]

9. Plus

maybe more than a 'little' voter suppression anyone?

[FalloutShelter]

10. Yes... there are a lot of stupid people who

Voted for this maggot again but let’s not forget the MSM.

They propped him up and sane washed him. They made him seem reasonable. They attacked Biden and in three weeks, ran him out of the race .

Most heinous… after the criminal’s first term ended and Biden was sworn in…. When the former President is expected to go away and plan his library and SHUT UP….. they kept pumping oxygen up his ass and kept publishing and broadcasting every word out of his foul Pie hole. THAT WAS A TOTAL ABORATION.

That’s how money kept the criminal cartel alive and does to this day.

I have not watched one single minute of MSNBC/Now
Since they called the election for the PEDO

Not one of them has called for his immediate resignation, not one of them has demanded he be removed. What more evidence does anyone need that this is one of the primary reasons citizens are stupid.

They NEVER get the straight scoop.

[annielion]

12. No the voters absolutely did not do this.

The Republicans wanted us to count votes on computers so that they could manipulate the computers in order to win. This started with the hanging chads in Florida during the 2000 election. Since there were supposedly hanging chads, we needed a better voting system. Enter computer voting.

People who do not understand computers are emphatic that our voting system is fair and safe. If you do not understand computers and are insisting that our voting system is safe, you are doing a great disservice to our country.

Computers are always hackable. Always. The computer program tells the computer exactly how to count. And it is illegal for us to see the computer program. The computer program could tell a computer that 1 plus 3 is 7. The computer program could tell a computer that 16 minus 2 is 33. And that will be the answer from the computer.

It looks very doubtful that the Republicans have actually won any presidential election since we started having our votes counted on computers. The steal in 2024 was bigger than the steal in 2004 and the steal in 2016 because in 2024 a computer expert was involved in telling the computers how to count.

[yardwork]

16. I know a number of people who voted for Trump and still support him.

I saw the people wearing Farmers for Trump shirts. I saw people interviewed on TV who proudly proclaimed their votes for Trump.

It's possible that he didn't win, but there's no question that hundreds of millions of American voters chose Trump. That's the problem.

[annielion]

22. I agree that the people who love Trump are a problem

But Trump definitely did not win the presidency and the Republicans did not win the House. They may or may not have won the Senate. We must prove before the midterms that the vote counting computers (tabulators) have been manipulated.

[Glaisne]

13. Folks need to consider voting on election day

otherwise their votes may not count. They may not even then if you are in a swing district or democratic district. Make sure you're still on the voter rolls, confirm your polling place, know the rules for your state, make a plan.

[Ol Janx Spirit]

17. I think we can follow it back a little further than the actual voters in 2024....

The voters (and non-voters) of 2024 are the product of a decades-long multipronged effort--including, but not limited to:
- Making sure that money--especially corporate money--can influence elections
- Undermining education in order to more easily manipulate the population
- Attempting to expand religious influence over society
- Encouraging political polarization as a means of ensuring political ignorance
- Entrenching conservatives in the courts--especially the Supreme Court--to skew the system to the right.

This is not to let the voters off the hook in any way, but unless we understand and find ways to combat what has been a long-game effort on the part of "conservatives," we will never get to a place where we agree about the problems, debate the solutions, and choose the best candidate to accomplish the tasks.

Conservatives have poisoned society. The outcome of elections is a symptom of the effects of the poison.

We can only really remove the poison from our body politic by undoing those things they have used to make their witches brew.

[Gum Logger]

18. The Democrats did not run a truly professional campaign

Some voters sat it out from dispare

[ancianita]

19. True and disheartening as far as it goes. Yet the numbers who didn't vote for Trump should be factored in.

2024:

Total actual voting age population = 259,454,702

Total Registereds as of Nov 5 2024 = 188,364,114
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state

Total registereds who voted in 2024 = 168,303,000
Total registereds who voted in 2020 (R + D + 3rd) = 158,397,374

Total registereds who did NOT vote in 2024 = 20,061,114

Total actual voting age population (which includes both registereds & unregistereds) WHO DID NOT VOTE = 91,151,702 , or 35% of the voting age population


Total voters WHO VOTED BUT DID NOT VOTE TRUMP (D + 3rd party) = 84,174,344

Total ADULTS UNREGISTERED AND WHO DID NOT VOTE IN 2024 (voting age pop minus registered who did/did not vote) 2024 = ADULTS WHO COULD HAVE REGISTERED AND WHO DID NOT VOTE IN 2024 (voting age pop minus registered who did/did not vote) = 259,454,702 - 168,303,000 = 20,061,114
Total 2024 ADULTS WHO COULD HAVE REGISTERED AND WHO DID NOT VOTE IN 2020 (voting age pop minus registered who did/did not vote) = 246,000,000 - 158,394,605 = 87,605,395 = 35.6% of the adult population of the U.S.


The way I see it through numbers, America's “consent" is based on what the majority of American voters do.
I have a theory that when it came to voting for the first woman president -- Clinton and Harris -- they just could not trust a woman to be Commander-in-Chief of the largest military on Earth. A military whose highest ranks had frequent previous contact with them and knew them well. As for voters who didn't trust them, they just didn't do their homework.

[betsuni]

23. K&R

[mb40]

24. Yes...but the corrupt system that protects the rich and powerful is also to blame

Trump should never have been able to run for office and should be in jail.

Its odd because you would see information about Trump's illegal actions in the news (for example 34 felony convictions, J6, Trump on tape pressuring Georgia's governor to find votes, etc.) and think "how is this allowed?" "what are the legal consequences?" and there were no consequences. The media also seemed to not hold him accountable.

So in this system the convicted felon who was caught on tape trying to commit election fraud is not punished and allowed to run for President.