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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWOW--Charles Darwin was at times so disenchanted with other people, himself, life, the world itself. . .
Found an additional graphic that gets even more of these quotes together.
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I've kept "I hate myself, I hate clover, and I hate bees" pinned above my desk since I first started studying evolutionary biology as an undergraduate. So relatable to get extremely frustrated with your study system.
RandySF
(82,419 posts)Intractable
(1,783 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(156,371 posts)But really, we are ALL human. We have flaws, prejudices, bad attitudes and so on. He was like us in those ways.
It's useful to realize that he was flawed. That he could hate what he studied! He still did brilliant work and we should be able to accept both of those aspects that lived within him. He did not let how he felt get in his way.
FalloutShelter
(14,331 posts)canetoad
(20,470 posts)I'm not that fond of them myself when I need to walk over them.
Why Darwin Hated The Simple Barnacle
One of the issues that Darwin had was trying to figure out the classification of the simple barnacle. According to the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Barnacles exist almost everywhere in the ocean, and they certainly are no secret when it comes to what they are and what they do.
The problem was it was difficult to classify the barnacle because they seem to exist somewhere between a mollusk and a crustacean.
https://greatergood.com/blogs/news/why-darwin-hated-barnacles
thought crime
(1,387 posts)I'll go so far as to say that there is just too much barnacle hate in this world. We should try to channel that hate toward cockroaches.
Mysterian
(6,266 posts)I bet he would not have hated that.
xocetaceans
(4,377 posts)Further, from that page, there is this reference:
One example of a letter (questioning wave mechanics) from Darwin follows:
Dear Mr Whewell.
Will you have the kindness to answer me the following question. If you would tell me whether I am right or wrong, when we meet at the Geological Council, I should be very much obliged. I have been much interested on the subject of earthquake waves. it appears to me, that all that happens is merely a consequence of a common undulation travelling from a little distance in the offing; after stating this case, I have added the following sentence, which I inferred from what you said on this subject at Cambridge, but whether right or quite wrong I do not know. In every wave does not the upward impulse of the particles, lessen the lateral pressure both behind and in advance; and in consequence as the undulation travels onward, must not the fluid in advance fall below the general level by as much as, the summit of the wave rises above it?
I have one other question; I have reason to believe that the superficial parts of solid rock are more fractured than any other part, during an earthquake. When a solid mass is made to vibrate, is there any particular tendency to fracture, on the surface, where the vibrations pass from the solid mass to the surrounding air, or water? I though you would allow me to ask you these questions on paper, as you are generally so busy at the Council.(1)
I received your signature, for which I am much obliged, (2) I hope on Monday it will be handed over either to Ld. Minto (3) or to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. (4)
Believe me | Yours very truly | Chas. Darwin
36 Grt Marlborough St. 18th. June.
https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-361.xml
And here is the one which contains the cited quote regarding "hat[ing] every wave":
Hobart Town. Van Diemens land
February 15th. 1836
My dear Fox
On our arrival at Sydney, we all on board the Beagle were bitterly disappointed in not finding a single letter. For the first occasion, the Beagle was before her appointed time; & hence the cause of our grief. I daresay otherwise I should have received a letter from you. It is now a long time since I heard any news. the last was, from home, of Mrs Foxs ill health. You have had much to endure in your own bodily suffering & if to this is superadded unhappiness from another & deeper source you will indeed have a heavy burthen to support. But I sincerely hope, my dear Fox, I am croaking about calamities, which have passed away & that you are as happy as you ought to be from the bright picture you drew in your last letter.
I presume you heard from me at Lima; since that period time has hung rather heavily on hand. Not that the present is absolutely disagreeable, but I cannot refrain from thinking of the future. I am sure, if a long voyage may have some injurious tendencies to a persons character, it has the one good one of teaching him to appreciate & dearly love his friends & relations
Now that the object of our voyage is reduced simply to Chronometrical Measurements, a large portion of our time is spent in making passages. This is to me, so much existence obliterated from the page of life. I hate every wave of the ocean, with a fervor, which you, who have only seen the green waters of the shore, can never understand. It appears to me, I am not singular in this hatred. I believe there are very few contented Sailors. They are caught young & broken in before they have reached years of discretion. Those who are employed, sigh after the delights of the shore, & those on shore, complain they are forgotten & overlooked: All think themselves hardly used, that they are not sooner promoted, I thank my good stars I was not born a Sailor. I will take good care no one shall shall ever persuade me again to volunteer as Philosopher (my accustomed title) even to a line of Battle Ship. Not but what I am very glad I have come on the expedition; but only that I am still gladder it is drawing to a close. I have had little opportunity, for some time past of doing anything in Natural History. I draw up very imperfect sketches of the Geology of all the places, to which we pay flying visits; but they cannot be of much use. (1) Leaving America, all connected & therefore interesting, series of observations have come to an end. I look forward with a comical mixture of dread & satisfaction to the amount of work, which remains for me in England. I suppose my chief ⟨place⟩ of residence will at first be Cambridge & then London. The latter, I fear, will in every respect turn out most convenient. I grieve to think of it; for a good walk in the true country is the greatest delight, which I can imagine. I shall find the different societies of the greatest use; judging from occassional glimpses of their periodical reports &c, there appears to be a rapidly growing zeal for Nat: Hist. F. Hope informs me, he has put my name down as a member of the Entomological Soc: I do not know, whether you are one. Formerly, when collecting at Cambridge, how very useful such a central Society would have been to us Beetle Capturers. The banks of the Cam, the Willow trees, Panagæus Crux Major & Badister, which was not cephalotes, all form parts of one picture in my mind. To this day, Panagæus is to me a sacred genus. I look at the Orange Cross, as the emblem of Entomological Knighthood. At Sydney I took a fine species, & long did I look at it, as compared to any other insect. Poor little Albert Way, I wonder, what has become of him. I wish I could think he was well.
I do not understand where you are now residing, in the last letters from home, (which was several months ago) nothing was mentioned. Probably I shall not receive another letter, before reaching England, if it turns out so, there will be then a space of 18 months, (2) of the events of which I shall be entirely ignorant. God grant they may not be unfortunate. I think it will be on a September night when we shall first make the Lizard lights. On such an occassion I feel it will be quite necessary to commit some act of uncommon folly & extravagance. School boys are quite right in breaking the binding of their books at the end of the half year & likewise Man of Wars men, when they throw guineas into the sea or light their tobacco pipes with Pound notes, to testify their joy. The time is now so short, before, I trust, we shall meet, that I feel it is almost useless to describe imperfectly, what we shall have opportunities of talking over. Visiting Australia, which one day will rise the Empress of the South, was interesting. It has given me a grand idea of the power & efficiency of the English nation. To see Colonies which in age, bear the proportion of tens of years to hundreds, so far outstepping in Civilization those of S. America, is really most astonishing. Although full of wonder & & admiration at this Spectacle, I should be very loth to emigrate. The moral state of the lower orders is of course detestable; the society of the higher is rancorously divided by party feelings & the country itself is not to me pleasing. But with respect to money-making it is a very paradise to the Worshippers of Mammon. It is an undisputed fact that there are Emancipists now living worth 15,000! pounds per annum.
After touching at King Georges Sound we proceed to the Isle of France. It will clearly be necessary to procure a small stock of sentiment on the occassion; Imagine what a fine opportunity for writing love letters. Oh that I had a sweet Virginia to send an inspired Epistle to. (3) A person not in love will have no right to wander amongst the glowing bewitching scenes. I am writing most glorious nonsense, so that I had better wish you good night, although at this present moment you probably are just awaking on a cold frosty morning. We are on opposite sides of the World & everything is topsy turvy: but I thank Heaven, my memory is in its right place & I can bring close to me, the faces of many of my friends.
Farewell, my dear Fox, till that day arrives, when we shall really once again shake hands. God bless you. | Your affectionate friend | Chas. Darwin.
https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-299.xml
Waves are often mentioned. Given the context of a lengthy ocean voyage, the hatred of waves is thoroughly understandable and probably does not indicate any sort of general disposition toward life or the world. Imagine seasickness.
calimary
(89,374 posts)We are on opposite sides of the World & everything is topsy turvy: but I thank Heaven, my memory is in its right place & I can bring close to me, the faces of many of my friends.
Yep!
paleotn
(21,888 posts)mopinko
(73,472 posts)the moral animal by steven wright. a laymans intro to evolutionary psychology.
he uses darwins life to illustrate many of his points. like the difference btn his reaction to losing a very young child and losing a young adult son. that nearly killed him.
havent looked at humans the same since.
hlthe2b
(113,297 posts)UpInArms
(54,523 posts)I have been channeling Charles Darwin my entire life
senseandsensibility
(24,507 posts)A little of all three? Also, charming in a strange way.
KPN
(17,223 posts)so acurately or clearly myself. So thank you for speaking for me.
senseandsensibility
(24,507 posts)Just glad it made sense to someone!
twodogsbarking
(18,063 posts)Swede
(38,857 posts)chouchou
(2,971 posts)You wouldn't want to see that disgusting thing...
Swede
(38,857 posts)The World Is Too Much With Us
By William Wordsworth
The world is too much with us; late and soon,
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;
Little we see in Nature that is ours;
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!
This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon;
The winds that will be howling at all hours,
And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers;
For this, for everything, we are out of tune;
It moves us not. Great God! Id rather be
A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;
So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,
Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;
Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;
Or hear old Triton blow his wreathèd horn.
Brother Buzz
(39,745 posts)They fought and debated for, like, forever.
Mother Nature, and her wicked cool sense of humor, had the final word; Agassizs head was stuck in the ground
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