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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA thought... what if the "new" detention centers all over the country being aquired are for...
the people the regime has been putting on "a list". The people he thinks are enemies.
I have read that the regime is petitioning tech companies for people's email, names, address etc. if they posted anything against immigration enforcement.
I don't think all those buildings are for immigrants, he hates anyone against him.
durablend
(9,096 posts)They need "storage" for all those people being the mean nasty social media posts that they're trying to get information about.
KS Toronado
(23,470 posts)liberalla
(10,971 posts)They think WE are the problem!
SergeStorms
(20,250 posts)The facilities they're building are meant to be permanent, not temporary.
The MAGA reich intends to continue for hundreds of years. 🤔 If I remember correctly there was another group almost a century ago which had the same goal in mind. 🤔
Don't remind me of their name, it'll come to me sooner or later. 😉
Norbert
(7,671 posts)I'm saying not very long.
Not trying to scare anyone, but we have the head of the DHS killing a puppy with no remorse and her boss raping barely teen girls and murdering citizens & people in boats.
Wednesdays
(22,014 posts)That lasted twelve years.
cannabis_flower
(3,925 posts)Im living in Colombia now. Cant afford and feel safer here in Armenia, Colombia.
mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)took a closeup picture of her face. He then said something like you are now on the list.
We later heard she is unable to fly out of the country, they have her labeled as something nefarious.
Midnight Writer
(25,222 posts)A "domestic terrorist" will be anyone who criticizes, votes against, or shows insufficient enthusiasm for the regime.
You don't spend billions building a secret police force and dozens of mass detention camps for a "one-off" purpose.
Like many institutions, ICE will experience "mission creep", transforming itself to suit the little dictator's Whim 'O the Day.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,423 posts)Midnight Writer
(25,222 posts)It's their "supply-side" theory applied to prisons. Build the product first, then invent a demand for it.
1WorldHope
(1,939 posts)gab13by13
(31,733 posts)Prisoners have rights, people get to visit and inspect prisons, they are concentration camps.
1WorldHope
(1,939 posts)And since krasnik is copying Russia's way of dealing with humans in general I don't think prisoners have any rights in Russia. Then why would Donald Trump want anybody to have rights here?
Mosby
(19,383 posts)Nt
Klarkashton
(5,048 posts)otchmoson
(307 posts)has to pay they execs & shareholders & political puppets . . . so fill 'er up!
Soul_of_Wit
(55 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,993 posts)that DUers have fretted that we will be thrown into camps. Still hasn't happened.
mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)The top leadership is different. No other president has done and said the horrible things we hear about and see every day.
This is different.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,993 posts)Still not in camps. Not going to happen.
mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)We need to make sure it doesn't happen. And the fight needs to be now, not wait until they widen the net.
ShazzieB
(22,381 posts)I was on the verge pf panic as I scrolled through the comments, until I came to yours. Thanks for helping me stay grounded!
NH Ethylene
(31,304 posts)However, this year IS different - way different than anything that has come before in this country.
If Trump et al could wave a wand and have all Dems vanish in some way, he would do it. Instead he seeks to keep us afraid and obedient.
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)but he can get some of us.
We can't just wait and hope. Trump needs autocracy to stay out of jail. He has a personality disorder that cannot help but escalate and is incapable of compassion or reason.
But he wasn't ready for Minnesota. We all have to be Minnesota. We all have to be ready to step up.
It will depend on what the people, military, police, and courts do.
And whether we can win over the handful of Republicans we need at every level, because Trump can't do this by himself.
ForeGoneLegsBirne
(12 posts)CAN get as many of us that would be able to neutralize any organized opposition. It is hard to conceive that an overwhelming proportion of the military would go along willingly but even medieval armies were not stopped by ad hoc attacks by civilians.
The U.S. has a large well armed militant stripe of civilians hostile to its government and social regulation. I quote the journalist E.R. Shipp writing about militias around the time of McVeigh "We underestimate them at our own peril." I'm not saying they are an existential threat or could do overwhelming damage but even a disorganized flameout could take more lives and disrupt things more seriously and longer than any of us would be able to easily dismiss.
CanonRay
(16,048 posts)Fingers crossed you are correct.
LymphocyteLover
(9,613 posts)millions of us to affect the elections and at the same time it would backfire massively, even more than what we see now, IMO.
But they could still make life hell for millions of us (even more than now) by locking us in camps.
Intractable
(1,804 posts)gab13by13
(31,733 posts)I say there are American citizens in those camps, prove me wrong. No one can inspect those concentration camps.
Krasnov also said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and nothing would be done about it. He openly killed Good and Pretti and nothing is being done about it, the Feds won't even share the evidence with the local police.
I say they are killing people inside these concentration camps, prove me wrong.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,993 posts)gab13by13
(31,733 posts): a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard
Give me a hard one.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,993 posts)where people are murdered by the thousands daily.
You convinced me.
gab13by13
(31,733 posts)you have a problem with Webster. You are using a narrow definition of concentration camp.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,993 posts)if not hourly. I was unaware.
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)or thousands murdered for this to be a problem
There just needs to be some. Or condidtions that could be considered unhealthy or even torture.
Or the possibility of any of the above which we cannot investigate.
i'm not really sure what your objection is to our concerns.
Emrys
(8,994 posts)Look up the definitions.
Deaths might occur in concentration camps as a result of mistreatment, whereas the purpose of death camps was specifically to murder prisoners.
AllyCat
(18,684 posts)People are completely unaccounted for. They have no charges, cant meet with attorneys, cant talk to their families.
Just because there arent gas chambers and ovens (although we dont actually know if there are or arent) doesnt mean they arent concentration camps.
Someone else provided a definition. What is your definition of a concentration camp? How is that different from what these mass incarceration sites appear to be?
SCantiGOP
(14,688 posts)No. If you want to make wild, unsupported claims, you have to prove it.
Otherwise: Space lasers stole the 2020 election, prove me wrong.
otchmoson
(307 posts)this is the same country, or the same community, that it was in 2001?
durablend
(9,096 posts)They'll be all like "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD'VE COMPLIED TO BEGIN WITH!"
mahina
(20,563 posts)TBF
(36,102 posts)the concentration camps. wake up, dreamer.
Nittersing
(8,246 posts)Torchlight
(6,579 posts)(coins have two sides)
Torchlight
(6,579 posts)ShazzieB
(22,381 posts)If that's not a concentration camp, I don't know what is.
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)Hard in these crazy times when sarcasm is no so easy to detect
ShazzieB
(22,381 posts)I missed the ? at the the end of the post!
timms139
(520 posts)Republicans wanting one party rule and now they have tried that .
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)though I think some of us were being naive until Trump came along.
Instead of worrying too much now, I think we weren't worrying enough before
leftstreet
(39,663 posts)Traildogbob
(12,809 posts)Millers coming. Hell is on the way. How will we respond?
mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)Traildogbob
(12,809 posts)I hope they prevail. I lived through the county having to relocate an existing land fill that reached its capacity.
But boy did communities rage, and demand not in my backyard. Ultimate found one waaaay out in the country. 30 years ago, but go to a local dumpster center any day and see the mass of one days trash, at one center, that battle may return some day, not so distantly,
Not my backyardwas a big political message then.
Maybe again, Nationally for Natzeeeee camps of torcher. WWJD?
OC375
(568 posts)Axe swings both ways, as always. Only time and perspective are needed to change everything.
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)rampartd
(4,355 posts)no oligarch will abide that.
the prisons are for us. and MUST be destroyed.
mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)Separate out TSA and FEMA and fund them only.
This may be our only way to stop it. Not fund it.
gab13by13
(31,733 posts)mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)I am assuming you know there is a partial gov. shutdown to change how DHS operates.
It needs to be expanded with understanding of what else they might do.
yaesu
(9,155 posts)Anything is possible in Nazi ruled USA.
mysteryowl
(8,939 posts)MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)They are trying to make it harder by mail. They won't be going by the postmark. Now all that have to do is mess up the mail for a few weeks. i want to see my ballot arrive in the right place. I'm hoping they can't mess up in-person voting for that whole period of time. But I'm prepared to put in the time if they do. They won't be able to hold me off for 2 weeks.
Of course I'm not a person of color. My strategy might be different then.
flvegan
(66,046 posts)these seem to be. I don't know that "concentration camp" is appropriate here, considering. But "detention center" sounds too polished, too humane, both of which these aren't.
gab13by13
(31,733 posts)Webster;
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard
flvegan
(66,046 posts)and I realize the definition. My point was the appropriateness of today's use versus any objection due to possible differences in historic use. Maybe "modern day concentration camp" is a good term to delineate from past and current.
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)but history hasn't played out on this. So far there is a measles and a tuberculosis outbreak in at least 2 of the camps. Trump is not yet dictator but he is trying to be. Nothing is proceeding as he originally promised (removing only the worst of the worst criminals).
When you remove protections and oversight, abuse happens. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
We need to have our eyes open.
MadameButterfly
(3,902 posts)According to Merriam-Webster, these are cocentration camps.
No Hitler or gas ovens required. But let's not kid ourselves, enough people will die that we won't be making these distinctions in the future. If we prevail to tell the story.
dalton99a
(93,044 posts)Torchlight
(6,579 posts)seems short-sighted (at best) to dismiss them as simply immigrant detainment centers. But, the people who instruct us they alone live a reality-based world also tell me that's all they'll be used for.
TommyT139
(2,272 posts)Packed like sardines, given a mylar blanket.
https://raskin.house.gov/2026/2/raskin-conducts-unannounced-oversight-visit-to-baltimore-ice-facility-exposes-overcrowded-inhumane-conditions
Deuxcents
(26,188 posts)To allow them to stay here, get a job and then assimilate into society.
usonian
(24,282 posts)No appeasement. No compromise.

Multichromatic
(79 posts)Wait... did that not work out last time?
xuplate
(182 posts)First you build the infrastructure, then you execute the takeover-fascism 101.
orangecrush
(29,525 posts)Stupid motherfuckers
gab13by13
(31,733 posts)The Department of Homeland Security told a court Friday that it could once again ban federal lawmakers from making unannounced visits to ICE detention centers after funding restrictions passed by Congress had expired.
MuirHero
(110 posts)I live in Pennsylvania, a stand your ground state, and am heavily armed - multiple shotguns, multiple pistols and a high-powered Browning 308 rifle. If those bastards ever try to break into my house without a judicial warrant it will be the last house that those particular criminal goons ever try to break into. I will fight them to the death before I ever end up in one of their fucking concentration camps.
Also, for the record, I am a law-abiding US citizen who has never been charged with a crime and I have a concealed carry permit. Since I obey the law, no legitimate judge would ever have a reason to issue a warrant for my arrest. We have a constitutional right to protect our property and our persons and I will exercise that right to the fullest extent under the law.
If these fascists think that it is only their side who are heavily armed they are fucking stupid. They will learn that lessen if they go into Philly and pull the same shit that they pulled in Minneapolis.
Depending on how bad things get here in Pennsylvania, I will be buying an AR-15 to add to my arsenal.
orangecrush
(29,525 posts)And I'm not killing anybody.
Doesn't mean I'm going to their gulag.
Soul_of_Wit
(55 posts)Remember FEMA camps? They only accuse the left of doing things that they would eagerly do.
Texin
(2,844 posts)Junipercity
(96 posts)Keep a toothbrush and spare set of underwear in my back pocket. 😄
MuirHero
(110 posts)For me it's more like a Glock and a high-powered rifle. The Nazis better stay the hell off of my property.
Justice matters.
(9,579 posts)Packed shoulder to shoulder with one toilet seat for a hundred detainees without due process.
And they have the gall to accuse China of Human Rights Violations?
It's also the way the Putin regime works against protesters in Russia...
doc03
(38,962 posts)"Enemy" so he may fill them with us.
MuirHero
(110 posts)Junipercity
(96 posts)But they should know I'm a real pain in the ass. Very expensive, and known to be detrimental to the guards morale.
Ol Janx Spirit
(859 posts)..than that they are being prepared for the "enemies of the state"; nor that the anti-immigrant campaign rhetoric was ever anything less than a cover story for the real endgame of eliminating all opposition.
But that's just the basic playbook of authoritarianism.
However, the purchasing of actual real estate to do the housing is starting to hit far too close to home.
synni
(723 posts)It's been a long time dream of conservatives, to imprison anyone who opposes them.
dem4decades
(13,903 posts)MuirHero
(110 posts)patphil
(8,877 posts)But, if we manage to take back the government over the next two elections, we can use a couple of them for ICE and Border Patrol agents, plus the people who directed their criminal behavior.
And, people who facilitated Trump's whole reign of terror and destruction.
BidenRocks
(3,000 posts)Home weapons loaded and unlocked. (No kids)
Marines don't surrender!
I die free!
MuirHero
(110 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,543 posts)Always projection with them... If only we had listened.
BidenRocks
(3,000 posts)Let's track them down and make them accountable!
I want the old lady with a Purple Heart band aid on her chin.
Just WTF lady! You won! How's your life?
Shitty and full of disease I hope!
Wounded Bear
(64,047 posts)Round up the opposition and incarcerate them.
While the Holocaust rightly gets a lot of ink/pixels as one of the most heinous acts in human history, some of the first residents of the camps were journalists and opposition leaders, including politicians. Not death camps, of course, that came later. But the first concentration camps were for opposition leaders.
V850i
(124 posts)So whom are these large permanent detention centers for? The enemy within?
2naSalit
(101,338 posts)Who/what they are for... they can't deport us to another country so they have to lock everybody up here.