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In the 1700's a native American shaman said in time the US will be no more due to corruption in government (Original Post) Stargazer99 Yesterday OP
;-{)...... Goonch Yesterday #1
Nice, but unlikely he used the name, United States in the 1700's. Possible, but not likely. 3Hotdogs Yesterday #2
Poetic license. ColoringFool Yesterday #3
Wanna have more fun, Google 'Native American Red Jacket" and his 1806 speech about religion. 3Hotdogs Yesterday #4
Now that speech is a really good one. wnylib 1 hr ago #10
Or totally made up story. wnylib 2 hrs ago #9
Any one with an education would understand the past tense in my post and it would be clear understanding Stargazer99 2 hrs ago #8
Given enough time any reasonable prediction can come true. Renew Deal Yesterday #5
That's true enough for every government and it's unlikely to change anytime soon. cstanleytech Yesterday #6
Highly unlikely this happened edhopper Yesterday #7
Longevity is rare RoseTrellis 1 hr ago #11

3Hotdogs

(15,199 posts)
2. Nice, but unlikely he used the name, United States in the 1700's. Possible, but not likely.
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 07:17 AM
Yesterday

3Hotdogs

(15,199 posts)
4. Wanna have more fun, Google 'Native American Red Jacket" and his 1806 speech about religion.
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 07:29 AM
Yesterday

wnylib

(25,426 posts)
10. Now that speech is a really good one.
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 10:33 AM
1 hr ago

I have read it. It is an excellent, logically laid out comparison of values and beliefs that puts Nat8ve religion on an equal footing with Christianity. It was his response to missionaries who sought permission to proselytize among the Seneca people.

Red Jacket was a great orator. That speech could be summarized by a message in the Christian Bible, "By their fruits you will know them." He ends the speech with the comment that they will observe the White missionaries to see how they live before giving an answer to their request.

(One of my grandmother's Seneca ancestors was related to Red Jacket.)





wnylib

(25,426 posts)
9. Or totally made up story.
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 10:23 AM
2 hrs ago

It's a common thing. When somebody wants to sound like they have a profound message, they attribute it to some supposedly mystical Native American.

Stargazer99

(3,504 posts)
8. Any one with an education would understand the past tense in my post and it would be clear understanding
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 10:04 AM
2 hrs ago

RoseTrellis

(144 posts)
11. Longevity is rare
Sat Feb 21, 2026, 10:39 AM
1 hr ago

I’d say we are actually doing better than average. The typical duration of nation-states, or more broadly, political regimes and countries, is often cited by historians and political scientists as being between 200 and 250 years. This timeframe is commonly associated with significant, transformative upheavals in government, rather than the complete erasure of a culture or population.

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