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(12,600 posts)Uncle Joe
(64,698 posts)Melon
(1,236 posts)But we spend too much.
paleotn
(21,923 posts)the cheaper the insurance, since there's more people to spread the risk over. Universal healthcare is still insurance. It's just the risk pool is everyone vs. the vastly smaller risk pool UnitedHealthcare and Cigna work with. If one person gets a cancer diagnosis and expensive treatment, that's going to be damn expensive for everyone if the risk pool is only 10 people having to pay that cost in their premiums. If it's 1 cancer diagnosis for every 250K people, that's more manageable. And you can't get more manageable than a risk pool that includes everyone in the country.
Then there's the paperwork. Compare the claim processing headcount at a large Canadian hospital to an equally sized one in the US. We have whole departments. Floors of people managing paperwork for Medicare, Medicaid, some VA, and a host of private insurers. All with their particular quirks. In Canada, it's a small fraction. The inefficiencies, read cost, in the US system is staggering. And monumentally stupid...unless you're a UnitedHealthcare C suite parasite. Then it's fabulous just for them. Not anyone else.
Gordcanuck
(172 posts)in our socialized hospital system. Major new diagnostic equipment , its installation expense, operating alterations, etc. not involved in the initial structure of the hospital are covered by donations from the community. Not from the provincial government, which has overall jurisdiction, but by us the users. And we are generous, knowing the administration soliciting the project funds Is after all, accountable to us.
I am alive today because of a major high tech operating system for heart surgery paid for mostly by donations from a spectrum of big and small contributors which placed three stents in clogged arteries. My bill was zero, my donations thereafter are continuing. And they are tax-deductible.
Gordcanuck🇨🇦
Submariner
(13,305 posts)who can school the Pope on the true maga-meaning of the Bible, all while jerking off with his son to "Young girl" by Gary Puckett and the Union Gap. So take that you woke reindeer herders.
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patphil
(8,890 posts)I give up.
JMCKUSICK
(5,674 posts)I couldn't have said it better.
PatrickforB
(15,394 posts)have this crappy rationed healthcare with financially crippling copays is because of the Wall Street greed lizards, billionaire tax cuts and bloated military spending. We need to REMOVE the profit motive from healthcare, and get rid of the insurance company bean counters.
Conflicting interests:
Patient wants the care they need.
Doctors, nurses and other direct healthcare people want to provide patients the care they need.
The business and finance people in the healthcare system want to charge the maximum and not provide anything deemed 'unnecessary' by the beancounters so they keep profits/retained earnings up.
The insurance companies want to boost PROFITS by denying claims and raising premiums (+19.2% for my HMO)
And at the same time we have these billionaire dirtbags who are probably ALL in the Epstein files flipping American working people a giant middle finger thinking they can rape and kill children for kicks and then get away with it.
Anyway, I wish you the best!
JMCKUSICK
(5,674 posts)It so happens that tomorrow is the first anniversary of my Zipper Club membership, which I was only eligible for because of Medicaid and my every 6 month check ups that allowed this situation to be discovered before I dropped dead.
(I had a quadruple bypass Feb 21, 2025.)
ffr
(23,341 posts)So there! 'murican Freedom!
Picaro
(2,367 posts)The math is inescapable. It is glaringly obvious.
Back in 1999 when I was a global account
manager for a leading technology firm I was in the London office.
A senior account manager Id met who had gone to all the right schools and was clearly upper class was expounding on how we Yanks had gotten everything right. Specifically he was talking about employment at will.
He went on and on about how the proles were lazy and generally worthless and were all on the dole.
I listened and then asked him a single question, If our system is so much better then why not emigrate to the US?.
The horror on his face surprised me. The answer he gave me surprised me even more.
He told me that he would never emigrate to the US because of our healthcare system.
He suddenly sounded quite liberal.
He pointed out that the US is the only developed nation where medical bankruptcies are common.
He said, Theres no doubt that Ill get old and sick. In your system you have no choice, but spend everything youve amassed throughout your life to pay for the illnesses you will inevitably develop. Until theres nothing left. In my system I can pay for private healthcare. But if it is
going to drain me I can go to NHS and pay little or nothing and keep my wealth. Your system guarantees ruination.
Most of our fellow citizens have never traveled overseas and dont have any knowledge of what another healthcare system looks like. So they believe the lies the Republicans tell about all these lazy black and brown people who just want free healthcare.
Love to see a cogent explanation like this from someone that lives it.
We could have nice things if only we could stomp out the lies.
Glaisne
(636 posts)To paying higher taxes for those things is I dont want to pay for someone elses healthcare, etc. Disgusting people.