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Baitball Blogger

(52,146 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:58 AM Yesterday

So, guess who had a Trump card to play against Trump?

I am busting a gut with laughter.

The US is going to Ukraine to ask for help to fight against Iranian drones, since Ukraine has experience with this form of warfare.

Zelenskyy is a diplomat. I know inside he's saying: Who holds all the cards now, mother fucker?

But on the outside he's going to play his cards to benefit his people. So, in the end Trump will be forced to hand over the muleta to Zelenskyy to perform the estocada on Russia.

How poetic.

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So, guess who had a Trump card to play against Trump? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Yesterday OP
Did you have a specific muleta in mind? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #1
I am actually curious, myself. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #2
I think you meant NATO will be the bullfighter? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #3
I was looking at it from Trump's perspective. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #4
Oh. Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #5
Money. Zelensky should ask for a LOT of money for this. ananda Yesterday #9
up front. barbtries Yesterday #34
And have Jared deliver the $$ personally stollen Yesterday #35
LOL. Agree. ananda Yesterday #37
He didn't say that his folks would do a good job.... FarPoint Yesterday #17
Not so funny in this case. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #20
;-{) ..... Goonch Yesterday #6
LOL! Baitball Blogger Yesterday #7
Suit, Donald. Where's your suit? You're not dressed properly! Sogo 23 hrs ago #38
Will he say "Thank you?" James48 Yesterday #8
Well, Trump usually wears his suits, but I hope he ditches the MAGA hat. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #10
Or even please? n/t WhiteTara Yesterday #27
I've been waiting for this peggysue2 Yesterday #11
Hmmm. Jay25 Yesterday #12
Zelenskyy is probably talking to NATO countries stollen Yesterday #36
Yet This UNDERLINES the Value of Ukraine in the EU ForeGoneLegsBirne 18 hrs ago #40
Germany knows that better than anyone stollen 5 hrs ago #45
I fear for Ukraine. If Trump can, he will screw them Raven123 Yesterday #13
Exactly. He will promise many things and deliver nothing. Lonestarblue Yesterday #14
See comment #17 from Farpoint. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #21
Trump always screws folks over.... FarPoint Yesterday #24
It will be to Ukraine's advantage to face fewer Iranian drones so stopping them in Iran helps politically and militarily ChicagoTeamster Yesterday #15
My thoughts exactly. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #22
I'm sure Netanyahu has all the Epstein files, and he has wanted the US to bomb BComplex Yesterday #26
Israel has the carrot and the stick. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #29
Russia is now producing its own Shaheds, and is supplying at least some of them to Iran Emrys 17 hrs ago #42
Payment, whatever form that takes, first - then help TrumpenFuhrer or else Ukraine will get screwed. NoMoreRepugs Yesterday #16
Zelenskyy's Diplomacy gfarber Yesterday #18
Damn. I'm humbled. Baitball Blogger Yesterday #23
I worry that Orange Traitor will turn around and sell it to Putin Wicked Blue Yesterday #19
Absolutely this! WestMichRad Yesterday #25
Zelenskyy needs to be careful, Krasnov will hand over every bit of info to Putin. PurgedVoter Yesterday #28
Maybe It's a Backdoor Means of Increasing MAGA Support ForeGoneLegsBirne Yesterday #30
Trump's business model DFW Yesterday #31
I just added two new words Mme. Defarge Yesterday #32
Knowing Trump Diraven Yesterday #33
ZELENSKY NEEDS TO REACT LIKE TRUMP Skittles 22 hrs ago #39
Knows more than The Generals, my butt! czarjak 18 hrs ago #41
Zelensky should say, "tell me thank you first". nt Javaman 12 hrs ago #43
Priceless. Baitball Blogger 9 hrs ago #44

Fiendish Thingy

(22,852 posts)
1. Did you have a specific muleta in mind?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:14 AM
Yesterday

Or just more/enough money/arms to get the job done?

Of course, if Orban loses his election next month, and the EU loan goes through, Zelensky won’t need the US at all.

Baitball Blogger

(52,146 posts)
2. I am actually curious, myself.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:19 AM
Yesterday

Can we give them arms, when we need them in Iran?

Not sure if weapons are even on the bargaining table. But exchange of information might be a thing.

In the end, the NATO allies will be the bull who holds the cape while both Trump and Putin are kneeling and begging for mercy.

Baitball Blogger

(52,146 posts)
4. I was looking at it from Trump's perspective.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:23 AM
Yesterday

And I like plots where the hunted becomes the hunter.

stollen

(1,138 posts)
35. And have Jared deliver the $$ personally
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:42 PM
Yesterday

"And don't fuck up the mission this time, Junior."

FarPoint

(14,704 posts)
17. He didn't say that his folks would do a good job....
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:19 PM
Yesterday

We all know how to be a bit passive aggressive when we have to be...

Me, as a true "Walking Dead "Fan..... Just like Eugene helped make bullets for Negan to fight Rick....made some good ones with majority all exploding in the gun chamber....

Baitball Blogger

(52,146 posts)
10. Well, Trump usually wears his suits, but I hope he ditches the MAGA hat.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:54 AM
Yesterday

Might trigger Zelenskyy in the negotiations.

peggysue2

(12,492 posts)
11. I've been waiting for this
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:15 AM
Yesterday

Ukraine has reportedly changed the face of war with their drone innovation, production and use on the battlefield. Ukrainian drones have proved cheap to produce, nimble and absolutely deadly. Of course, they had no choice because Russia was lobbing hundreds of Iranian drones on the Ukrainian population.

But this! This is too, too delicious. After all of Trump's treachery and insults, the fact that the United States is seeking Ukrainian help with drone warfare is beyond ironic. Also a reminder why allies are important particularly in wartime.

Who has the leverage now, Donnie?

Jay25

(437 posts)
12. Hmmm.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:29 AM
Yesterday

Iran was not a threat to the US yet was attacked, just as Ukraine was attacked. Zelensky humbled himself to the world in order to get assistance for the defense of his country. And now, Ukraine is offering to assist a country who decided to attack a country out of the blue, like they were attacked.
This is a world without moral or value, and none of it makes any sense to me.

stollen

(1,138 posts)
36. Zelenskyy is probably talking to NATO countries
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:48 PM
Yesterday

for advice. I really want NATO membership for Ukraine, but not at the expense of selling its soul. It can't afford to take its eyes off Russia.

40. Yet This UNDERLINES the Value of Ukraine in the EU
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 01:37 AM
18 hrs ago

Trump insists that what happens to Ukraine is irrelevant to US. Europe is just taking advantage of us! And here is an 11th hour, concrete evidence of the power of allies and how much Ukraine would bring to the table if added to EU & NATO.

FarPoint

(14,704 posts)
24. Trump always screws folks over....
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:44 PM
Yesterday

a true winning bet on that action..... No matter if help given in sincere....Zelinsky can play it smart...save face....

ChicagoTeamster

(778 posts)
15. It will be to Ukraine's advantage to face fewer Iranian drones so stopping them in Iran helps politically and militarily
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:16 PM
Yesterday

But, I'm now wondering if part of the reason why Hegseth kept trying to block weapons shipments for Ukraine is because they knew the Iran war was being secretly planned and they wanted as many weapons as possible.

Baitball Blogger

(52,146 posts)
22. My thoughts exactly.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:41 PM
Yesterday

Trump will be known as the ultimate Manchurian president. Even fooled the MAGAs.

BComplex

(9,859 posts)
26. I'm sure Netanyahu has all the Epstein files, and he has wanted the US to bomb
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:27 PM
Yesterday

Iran into oblivion for decades. In repayment for helping trump in stealing the 2024 election, and in response for not releasing the full mossad version of the epstein files, I'm sure trump has known since his own election that this was going to be the payback.

Baitball Blogger

(52,146 posts)
29. Israel has the carrot and the stick.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 02:16 PM
Yesterday

The carrot: The Gaza Strip for Kushner to develop.

The stick: The Epstein files.

Emrys

(9,048 posts)
42. Russia is now producing its own Shaheds, and is supplying at least some of them to Iran
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 01:57 AM
17 hrs ago

So a logical quid pro quo for Ukraine would be to ask for concrete support in eliminating Russia's drone production facilities.

It could eventually complete that task on its own, but intelligence assistance and a supply of EW-hardened long-range missiles would speed things up and benefit a number of countries.

If Trump won't play ball, there are a lot of rich Gulf states that could help out directly, or twist Trump's arm.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,966 posts)
16. Payment, whatever form that takes, first - then help TrumpenFuhrer or else Ukraine will get screwed.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:17 PM
Yesterday

gfarber

(254 posts)
18. Zelenskyy's Diplomacy
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:21 PM
Yesterday


There once was a plea from the West,
To Kyiv, by drone-wars well-versed,
Zelenskyy thought, “Huh—
Who’s bluffing now, bruh?”
But smiled like a diplomat first.

He played every card for his land,
While louder men blustered and planned,
Till Trump, with a sweep,
Passed the matador’s cape—
“Your turn for the estocada at hand.”

A quiet, strategic display:
The bull still is Russia in play,
And while crowds roar and bark,
The blade finds its mark—
How strangely poetic, you’d say.

© 2026 Glen Farber. All Rights Reserved.

Wicked Blue

(8,818 posts)
19. I worry that Orange Traitor will turn around and sell it to Putin
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:33 PM
Yesterday

With his track record, we just can't trust him.

WestMichRad

(3,184 posts)
25. Absolutely this!
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:00 PM
Yesterday

Zelenskyy should make certain that some Ukrainian intelligence on combatting aerial drones isn’t shared, because we know TSF will share information with Putin.

Obliterating Iran’s drone production facilities should be a precondition, also.

PurgedVoter

(2,702 posts)
28. Zelenskyy needs to be careful, Krasnov will hand over every bit of info to Putin.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:48 PM
Yesterday

Krasnov cannot be trusted.

30. Maybe It's a Backdoor Means of Increasing MAGA Support
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 02:31 PM
Yesterday

Maybe just maybe it counteracts that whole "why are we giving ALL our money to Ukraine..." narrative among MAGA! How about "hey... if they can help US as a military contractor with drones..then maybe they can be GLUED to the rest of Eastern Europe and strengthen the rest of the EU... and here you LIBRULLS thought our brave President Trump had BLUNDERED into Iran! Guess you're glad he got elected for a reason besides cheap eggs & gas!!!"

DFW

(60,045 posts)
31. Trump's business model
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 02:38 PM
Yesterday

Make a “Deal,” get delivery of his part, and then refuse to deliver his partner their part. Someone please tell me Zelenskyy knows this by now. Even the Xhosa speakers of Southern Africa know this by now.

Diraven

(1,865 posts)
33. Knowing Trump
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 03:55 PM
Yesterday

The negotiations will mostly be in the form of threats, or that "they owe us" for past assistance.

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