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Baitball Blogger

(52,138 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:58 AM 16 hrs ago

So, guess who had a Trump card to play against Trump?

I am busting a gut with laughter.

The US is going to Ukraine to ask for help to fight against Iranian drones, since Ukraine has experience with this form of warfare.

Zelenskyy is a diplomat. I know inside he's saying: Who holds all the cards now, mother fucker?

But on the outside he's going to play his cards to benefit his people. So, in the end Trump will be forced to hand over the muleta to Zelenskyy to perform the estocada on Russia.

How poetic.

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So, guess who had a Trump card to play against Trump? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger 16 hrs ago OP
Did you have a specific muleta in mind? Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #1
I am actually curious, myself. Baitball Blogger 16 hrs ago #2
I think you meant NATO will be the bullfighter? Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #3
I was looking at it from Trump's perspective. Baitball Blogger 16 hrs ago #4
Oh. Fiendish Thingy 16 hrs ago #5
Money. Zelensky should ask for a LOT of money for this. ananda 16 hrs ago #9
up front. barbtries 10 hrs ago #34
And have Jared deliver the $$ personally stollen 10 hrs ago #35
LOL. Agree. ananda 10 hrs ago #37
He didn't say that his folks would do a good job.... FarPoint 14 hrs ago #17
Not so funny in this case. Baitball Blogger 14 hrs ago #20
;-{) ..... Goonch 16 hrs ago #6
LOL! Baitball Blogger 16 hrs ago #7
Suit, Donald. Where's your suit? You're not dressed properly! Sogo 6 hrs ago #38
Will he say "Thank you?" James48 16 hrs ago #8
Well, Trump usually wears his suits, but I hope he ditches the MAGA hat. Baitball Blogger 15 hrs ago #10
Or even please? n/t WhiteTara 13 hrs ago #27
I've been waiting for this peggysue2 15 hrs ago #11
Hmmm. Jay25 15 hrs ago #12
Zelenskyy is probably talking to NATO countries stollen 10 hrs ago #36
Yet This UNDERLINES the Value of Ukraine in the EU ForeGoneLegsBirne 1 hr ago #40
I fear for Ukraine. If Trump can, he will screw them Raven123 15 hrs ago #13
Exactly. He will promise many things and deliver nothing. Lonestarblue 14 hrs ago #14
See comment #17 from Farpoint. Baitball Blogger 14 hrs ago #21
Trump always screws folks over.... FarPoint 14 hrs ago #24
It will be to Ukraine's advantage to face fewer Iranian drones so stopping them in Iran helps politically and militarily ChicagoTeamster 14 hrs ago #15
My thoughts exactly. Baitball Blogger 14 hrs ago #22
I'm sure Netanyahu has all the Epstein files, and he has wanted the US to bomb BComplex 13 hrs ago #26
Israel has the carrot and the stick. Baitball Blogger 12 hrs ago #29
Russia is now producing its own Shaheds, and is supplying at least some of them to Iran Emrys 56 min ago #42
Payment, whatever form that takes, first - then help TrumpenFuhrer or else Ukraine will get screwed. NoMoreRepugs 14 hrs ago #16
Zelenskyy's Diplomacy gfarber 14 hrs ago #18
Damn. I'm humbled. Baitball Blogger 14 hrs ago #23
I worry that Orange Traitor will turn around and sell it to Putin Wicked Blue 14 hrs ago #19
Absolutely this! WestMichRad 13 hrs ago #25
Zelenskyy needs to be careful, Krasnov will hand over every bit of info to Putin. PurgedVoter 13 hrs ago #28
Maybe It's a Backdoor Means of Increasing MAGA Support ForeGoneLegsBirne 12 hrs ago #30
Trump's business model DFW 12 hrs ago #31
I just added two new words Mme. Defarge 12 hrs ago #32
Knowing Trump Diraven 10 hrs ago #33
ZELENSKY NEEDS TO REACT LIKE TRUMP Skittles 5 hrs ago #39
Knows more than The Generals, my butt! czarjak 1 hr ago #41

Fiendish Thingy

(22,839 posts)
1. Did you have a specific muleta in mind?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:14 AM
16 hrs ago

Or just more/enough money/arms to get the job done?

Of course, if Orban loses his election next month, and the EU loan goes through, Zelensky won’t need the US at all.

Baitball Blogger

(52,138 posts)
2. I am actually curious, myself.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:19 AM
16 hrs ago

Can we give them arms, when we need them in Iran?

Not sure if weapons are even on the bargaining table. But exchange of information might be a thing.

In the end, the NATO allies will be the bull who holds the cape while both Trump and Putin are kneeling and begging for mercy.

Baitball Blogger

(52,138 posts)
4. I was looking at it from Trump's perspective.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:23 AM
16 hrs ago

And I like plots where the hunted becomes the hunter.

stollen

(1,136 posts)
35. And have Jared deliver the $$ personally
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:42 PM
10 hrs ago

"And don't fuck up the mission this time, Junior."

FarPoint

(14,701 posts)
17. He didn't say that his folks would do a good job....
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:19 PM
14 hrs ago

We all know how to be a bit passive aggressive when we have to be...

Me, as a true "Walking Dead "Fan..... Just like Eugene helped make bullets for Negan to fight Rick....made some good ones with majority all exploding in the gun chamber....

Baitball Blogger

(52,138 posts)
10. Well, Trump usually wears his suits, but I hope he ditches the MAGA hat.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:54 AM
15 hrs ago

Might trigger Zelenskyy in the negotiations.

peggysue2

(12,488 posts)
11. I've been waiting for this
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:15 AM
15 hrs ago

Ukraine has reportedly changed the face of war with their drone innovation, production and use on the battlefield. Ukrainian drones have proved cheap to produce, nimble and absolutely deadly. Of course, they had no choice because Russia was lobbing hundreds of Iranian drones on the Ukrainian population.

But this! This is too, too delicious. After all of Trump's treachery and insults, the fact that the United States is seeking Ukrainian help with drone warfare is beyond ironic. Also a reminder why allies are important particularly in wartime.

Who has the leverage now, Donnie?

Jay25

(437 posts)
12. Hmmm.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:29 AM
15 hrs ago

Iran was not a threat to the US yet was attacked, just as Ukraine was attacked. Zelensky humbled himself to the world in order to get assistance for the defense of his country. And now, Ukraine is offering to assist a country who decided to attack a country out of the blue, like they were attacked.
This is a world without moral or value, and none of it makes any sense to me.

stollen

(1,136 posts)
36. Zelenskyy is probably talking to NATO countries
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:48 PM
10 hrs ago

for advice. I really want NATO membership for Ukraine, but not at the expense of selling its soul. It can't afford to take its eyes off Russia.

40. Yet This UNDERLINES the Value of Ukraine in the EU
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 01:37 AM
1 hr ago

Trump insists that what happens to Ukraine is irrelevant to US. Europe is just taking advantage of us! And here is an 11th hour, concrete evidence of the power of allies and how much Ukraine would bring to the table if added to EU & NATO.

FarPoint

(14,701 posts)
24. Trump always screws folks over....
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:44 PM
14 hrs ago

a true winning bet on that action..... No matter if help given in sincere....Zelinsky can play it smart...save face....

ChicagoTeamster

(768 posts)
15. It will be to Ukraine's advantage to face fewer Iranian drones so stopping them in Iran helps politically and militarily
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:16 PM
14 hrs ago

But, I'm now wondering if part of the reason why Hegseth kept trying to block weapons shipments for Ukraine is because they knew the Iran war was being secretly planned and they wanted as many weapons as possible.

Baitball Blogger

(52,138 posts)
22. My thoughts exactly.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:41 PM
14 hrs ago

Trump will be known as the ultimate Manchurian president. Even fooled the MAGAs.

BComplex

(9,858 posts)
26. I'm sure Netanyahu has all the Epstein files, and he has wanted the US to bomb
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:27 PM
13 hrs ago

Iran into oblivion for decades. In repayment for helping trump in stealing the 2024 election, and in response for not releasing the full mossad version of the epstein files, I'm sure trump has known since his own election that this was going to be the payback.

Baitball Blogger

(52,138 posts)
29. Israel has the carrot and the stick.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 02:16 PM
12 hrs ago

The carrot: The Gaza Strip for Kushner to develop.

The stick: The Epstein files.

Emrys

(9,048 posts)
42. Russia is now producing its own Shaheds, and is supplying at least some of them to Iran
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 01:57 AM
56 min ago

So a logical quid pro quo for Ukraine would be to ask for concrete support in eliminating Russia's drone production facilities.

It could eventually complete that task on its own, but intelligence assistance and a supply of EW-hardened long-range missiles would speed things up and benefit a number of countries.

If Trump won't play ball, there are a lot of rich Gulf states that could help out directly, or twist Trump's arm.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,964 posts)
16. Payment, whatever form that takes, first - then help TrumpenFuhrer or else Ukraine will get screwed.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:17 PM
14 hrs ago

gfarber

(253 posts)
18. Zelenskyy's Diplomacy
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:21 PM
14 hrs ago


There once was a plea from the West,
To Kyiv, by drone-wars well-versed,
Zelenskyy thought, “Huh—
Who’s bluffing now, bruh?”
But smiled like a diplomat first.

He played every card for his land,
While louder men blustered and planned,
Till Trump, with a sweep,
Passed the matador’s cape—
“Your turn for the estocada at hand.”

A quiet, strategic display:
The bull still is Russia in play,
And while crowds roar and bark,
The blade finds its mark—
How strangely poetic, you’d say.

© 2026 Glen Farber. All Rights Reserved.

Wicked Blue

(8,818 posts)
19. I worry that Orange Traitor will turn around and sell it to Putin
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 12:33 PM
14 hrs ago

With his track record, we just can't trust him.

WestMichRad

(3,181 posts)
25. Absolutely this!
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:00 PM
13 hrs ago

Zelenskyy should make certain that some Ukrainian intelligence on combatting aerial drones isn’t shared, because we know TSF will share information with Putin.

Obliterating Iran’s drone production facilities should be a precondition, also.

PurgedVoter

(2,702 posts)
28. Zelenskyy needs to be careful, Krasnov will hand over every bit of info to Putin.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:48 PM
13 hrs ago

Krasnov cannot be trusted.

30. Maybe It's a Backdoor Means of Increasing MAGA Support
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 02:31 PM
12 hrs ago

Maybe just maybe it counteracts that whole "why are we giving ALL our money to Ukraine..." narrative among MAGA! How about "hey... if they can help US as a military contractor with drones..then maybe they can be GLUED to the rest of Eastern Europe and strengthen the rest of the EU... and here you LIBRULLS thought our brave President Trump had BLUNDERED into Iran! Guess you're glad he got elected for a reason besides cheap eggs & gas!!!"

DFW

(60,045 posts)
31. Trump's business model
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 02:38 PM
12 hrs ago

Make a “Deal,” get delivery of his part, and then refuse to deliver his partner their part. Someone please tell me Zelenskyy knows this by now. Even the Xhosa speakers of Southern Africa know this by now.

Diraven

(1,865 posts)
33. Knowing Trump
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 03:55 PM
10 hrs ago

The negotiations will mostly be in the form of threats, or that "they owe us" for past assistance.

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