A nation of 90 million Iranians isn't going to 'surrender' to Donald Trump

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Trump Says There Will Be No Deal With Iran Except Unconditional Surrender

After that, and the selection of a great acceptable leader, we, and many of our wonderful and very brave allies and partners, will work tirelessly to bring Iran back from the brink of destruction, making it economically bigger, better, and stronger than ever before, Trump said Friday morning.

https://time.com/7382878/trump-iran-war-unconditional-surrender-demand/

...he's so full of shit, He's not going to get an Iran that's in anyway in American's image or interest by killing more and more with each bomb we drop from the air. And he's not going to get a country of 90 million to agree to install some U.S. puppet.

This isn't about U.S. national security. It's ostensibly a war to take over Iran which is absurd and dangerously delusional.

[dalton99a]

1. Will not happen even if the U.S. and Israel make Tehran look like Gaza.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Just like Putin! Fighting a war with a smaller power armed with drones! /nt

[617Blue]

3. He thinks he's dealing with tech billionaires and Ivy League univs and cowardly law firms

[Irish_Dem]

6. And cowards in the US Congress and US Supreme Court.

Yes all the powerful people in the US bow down to the orange f-wad, so should the Iranians.

[Irish_Dem]

5. He wants all of them to bow down to him and recognize him as the supreme leader.

[Goonch]

7. ;-{)......

[sop]

29. When will Bibi unleash the Jewish Space Lasers?

[BlueTsunami2018]

8. It's just imperialism again.

That’s all this country is, one giant imperialist, capitalist monster.

They want to return things to the way they were under the puppet dictator Shah.

That’s also why they’re threatening Cuba. They want to return it to the way it was under the puppet dictator Batista.

Same with Venezuela and so on and so forth.

They just want to exploit everyone, steal their resources and keep all the money for themselves while We the People pay for the means for them to do so.

And we get nothing out of it.

No healthcare, no infrastructure, no education, no housing, no food……nothing.

[sop]

30. You've described American foreign policy for over a century.

[Initech]

9. Can't we just kick his worthless ass out of office already?

OMG he really is the worst president ever.

[MustLoveBeagles]

15. Yes he is

Even W wasn't dumb enough to pick a fight with Iran. This whole regime is insane.

[Wuddles440]

17. But..but...

"many" people are telling him that he's the "G.O.A.T."

[Initech]

21. Yeah those people are as insane and deranged as he is!

[AZJonnie]

25. Very strong people, with tears in their eyes (nt)

[mwmisses4289]

32. Why are we insulting goats?

What did they do to be compared to t?

[pat_k]

10. The oppressive might of the IRGC/Basij military, industrial, economic conglomerate --

might that is effectively independent of Ayatollah rule -- is likely to quell any "uprising" of ordinary people in brutal, brutal fashion.

I continue to be mystified that few are talking about the unique infrastructure of oppression in Iran. Everyone seems to assume we are just up against a conventional territorial defense force.

In Iran, that's the Artesh (regular army) -- about 600,000 strong. Key positions maintain levels of succession. They are a fairly conventional territorial defense that is not embedded throughout every sector of the economy and society.

But it's not the military that has a stranglehold on the people, it is the IRGC/Basij. And that is a COMPLETELY different animal.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221070279

[dalton99a]

14. +1. Nothing will change for the Iranian people anytime soon

[pat_k]

19. Tragically, with 40,000 to 54,000 Basij bases around Iran, they can ...

make good on that threat.

Of all the numbers, I find estimates of the number of Basij bases the most mind-boggling.

[dalton99a]

20. +1. The regime had decades to staff and equip that network.

[pat_k]

22. And evolving the IRGC / Basij into and a vast economic/industrial oppressive force

...is brilliant in an utterly horrifying way.

[dalton99a]

23. Yep, well trained, well armed, well funded - and murderously ruthless.

[dutch777]

11. And he wants to use the Kurds to encourage this. They are Sunni and majority of Iran is Shia--- good way to set off.

...a regional religiously based civil war.

[dalton99a]

16. +1. Netanyahu wants a weakened and fractured Iran.

[leftstreet]

12. "We are waiting for them"

NBC REPORTER: "Are you afraid of a US invasion of your country with ground troops?"

Iran FM Araghchi: "No, we are WAITING for them."

Lowkey
@Lowkey0nline
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"We are waiting for them..."

The look on the presenter's face says it all. The empire is falling.

Link to tweet

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[Aristus]

13. Mountainous Iran is an insurgent leader's dream.

Another forever war is looming if the cowardly Congress can't get their thumbs out of their asses and do something to stop it.

[nitpicked]

18. Whether it be an organized regime

Or tons of remnant-force bands, I can't see this ending well.

[AZJonnie]

24. Tirelessly!?!

I do not think that word means what you think it means, Diaper Donnie!

[sarisataka]

26. If history is a guide, rather than surrendering

Iran can just wait until he loses interest and moves on to some other imagined slight to rant about.

It shouldn't take very long.

[Prairie Gates]

27. Trump trying to find a face-saving way out of this mess

It's interesting how quickly the suggestion that the Kurds invade Iran was floated and then walked back (more like run back). The prime minister of Iraq was like, "The fuck you're going to launch an invasion from our side of the border," and Iran basically said it's open season on Iraqi Kurd areas if you do.

It was all floated on a Monday and disappeared from view by Thursday.

The shocking reality is that nobody at WH or DoD has any idea about what to do other than "keep bombing." The desperate attempts to dominate the information space is also apparent. Gulf states are now arresting people for posting videos of missile strikes. Crazy stuff.

[Walleye]

28. Trump is delusional, does he imagine the US Army will occupy Iran?

[Johonny]

31. Not without boots on the ground

The best Trump can hope for is accepting Iran's conditions as a victory.