I'm done with this

[angrychair]

No matter the letter after your name, If you vote for another penny of military funding I will not vote for you.

If you vote for one more penny of money for this war I will not vote for you.

No more warmongering fascists running our country. We can no longer allow endless wars to be the norm.
Peace. Science. Life.

[Deuxcents]

1. Make their voting records public and easy to find for anyone. They need shamed

[lame54]

2. Vote D over R...

Even if they both gave money

[angrychair]

5. No more trillion dollar military budgets

No more war. No more excuses.

[lame54]

7. No.more R's

[angrychair]

8. No more warmongers.

No matter the letter after their name.

[lame54]

9. The warmonger in chief...

Is in there because of non voters

[angrychair]

10. I didn't vote for him

I voted for the lady that didn't want war.

I'm drawing an unequivocal, unapologetic line and there are no exceptions.

We are drawing to many exceptions, tired of given people a pass that vote in support of pedophiles or vote for war.
Peace. Science. Life.

[wnylib]

46. I understand your polnt and mostly agree.

I think that, regarding Dems, the warmongers should be primaried and voted against.

In the general election., though, it is still to our advantage to vote D over R because enough D votes will give us the numbers in Congress to have a majority. A majority of Dems allows us to better fight against the fascists, reverse their policies and restore sanity.

[Cirsium]

17. Not true

You assume non-voters are Democrats. That is not necessarily so. Many locals here who had never voted before went out and voted for Trump. Reaching non-voters is a worthy goal. Blaming them doesn't help.

[lame54]

62. Disagree...

Have a good day

[Cirsium]

70. What has happened?

What in the world has happened to political discussion? "Have a good day?"

OK, I will.

[W_HAMILTON]

12. Republicans thank you for your service.

The reason why we're in this position to begin with is because *just* enough people wanted to punish Democrats.

Their short-sightedness helped Republicans get elected.

[Totally Tunsie]

4. Staying for pizza?

[ok_cpu]

6. Irony is not their strong suit, is it? n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

11. agree.

not one penny.

[RetiredParatrooper]

13. The circular firing squad forms

Part of the reason we are in this position is binary thinking like this.

[angrychair]

15. Not binary thinking

I'm tired of war and death and grift.

Tired of endless death of people of color to satisfy the blood lust of billionaire warmongers.

What is binary thinking about that?

[lapfog_1]

31. don't vote for Kamala because she supported "Genocide Joe"

I remember this shit from 18 months ago.

And that is how we got a new endless war in Iran. Not to mention Genocide in Gaza.

Vote Blue no matter Who.

[RetiredParatrooper]

60. It very much is

If you opt out because of the grievances you listed in your OP, that is part of the reason the Orange MFer got elected in the first place.

Twice.

Are you suggesting we should defund the DoD?

[angrychair]

66. No

Could have phrased it better in my OP. The point is I'm not supporting endless wars and bottomless military budgets. That is a better way of saying what I mean.

I will happily vote for any Democrat that supports that position. I don't think they is a very high bar and I'm dumbfounded that people think that is too much to ask.

I'm tired of people gaslighting me that we don't have the money for things like Medicare for All or NIH funding but we always have trillions of dollars for military spending.
Do you realize we spend more on our military then the next 18 countries, combined. How about we only spend as much as the next two countries combined? Is that too much to ask?

[rampartd]

61. binary thinking?

a 2 party system requires it.

[Zelda_Orchid]

14. If the choice is between a Dem that supports military funding ...

and a fascist that supports military funding, supports concentration camps, supports murdering American civilians, protects pedophiles, and is corrupt the the core ... the choice is simple. Vote for the Democrat!

[angrychair]

19. Then this cycle will continue

More endless wars. More people of color dying so we can steal their oil. More grift. More money in the pocket of billionaires.

Sorry, I'm getting off that train. No longer contributing to this cycle of violence.
No more endless blood money for the war pigs.

[Zelda_Orchid]

22. And the fascists will use their propaganda machine to make you believe that.

**THAT"S** the cycle. Ending it requires ending the fascists - not the Democrats.

[angrychair]

23. If you are Democrat

Voting in support of more war and more death and more violence and more grift and more pedophiles, then that Democrat is a fascist.

I'm fully in support of Democrats that are against more military funding. We don't need anymore trillion dollar budgets or anything even close to that.

[Zelda_Orchid]

33. If you're a Democrat, you support getting rid of the fascists.

Not for upholding any arbitrary litmus test that can be money wrenched by the fascists. See 2000, 2004, 2016, 2024 ...

[angrychair]

37. What is arbitrary

About not supporting endless war and bottomless military budgets?

Do you realize this latest military budget was over a trillion dollars and they now want even more? When is it enough? If you keep doing the same thing over and over again how can you expect a different result?

I will happily vote in favor of any Democrat that is not in favor of endless war and bottomless military budgets. There is nothing arbitrary about that.

[Zelda_Orchid]

41. The Democratic Party is a coalition. With different factions uniting for the common good.

The fascists have spent the last 4 decades exploiting those differences - and making up new ones - to divide the Democratic coalition & keep the fascists in power.

STOP LETTING THEM!

"United We Stand, Divided We Fall" isn't just a catchy slogan.

We are stronger together than they are, and there's more of us than them. Refusing to support Democrats now will lead directly to a total fascist takeover, and continue the very things you're complaining about.

[angrychair]

52. I'm confused

Isn't voting for people that support endless war and bottomless military budgets also supporting the continuation of the same thing these fascists want?

Honestly, your position seems to be that Democrats support that and my position is I know they do not. There are some that do and those are the people we need to purge from our ranks in favor of people that do not support trillion dollar military budgets.
It's about not doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[angrychair]

57. Ok

So "United we stand" even if that stance is endless war and bottomless military budgets?

Murdering brown people to steal their resources?

Sorry, I'm not doing that.

Never again. I am just one person and I have zero power but my vote. If asking a Democratic Party candidate to not support endless wars and bottomless military budgets is too much to ask then I will happily be in the wrong.

[Zelda_Orchid]

58. It's much easier to have a real conversation about military funding with someone who isn't trying to kill you.

The fascists want to kill you. The Democrats don't.

[angrychair]

64. One would argue

That supporting endless wars and bottomless military budgets is wanting to kill me.

Because if we are funding trillion+ dollar military budgets then we are not funding the NIH or CDC Dept of Education or Dept of State or NOAA or FEMA or USAID or any of the dozens of organizations that directly contribute to the health and safety of all Americans in ways no amount of military spending ever will or can do.

If a Democratic Party candidate cannot bring themselves to not support endless wars and bottomless military budgets then how exactly do we achieve any of the things we say we want to achieve when our military budgets become $1.5 trillion dollars? Then $2 trillion dollars?

No longer letting people gaslight me into believing that we cannot afford Medicare for All but we can afford a trillion dollar military budget.

[Wiz Imp]

36. Have fun living in a dictatorship

[angrychair]

38. Why?

How is being against endless wars and bottomless military budgets mean I support a dictatorship?

I'm only not voting for Democrats that do. Are you insinuating that we should support even Democrats that are?

That's a pretty wild take.

Serious question: do you support endless wars and bottomless military budgets?

[Wiz Imp]

42. 🙄

[angrychair]

44. All due respect

That isn't an answer.

[angrychair]

67. Then how can we expect anything to change?

If we keep voting for endless wars and bottomless military budgets then how do we fund the things we say we want things like Medicare for All? NIH? Dept of Education?

I mean when is it enough? Is a $1.5 trillion dollar military budget too much? $2 trillion dollars?
I mean what is the point of being a Democrat if you only pay lip service to all the things Democrats believe in but always have money for the MIC?

[Quiet Em]

16. Unless something has changed very recently

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration could soon ask Congress for billions more in military funding as it wages an open-ended bombing campaign in Iran, prompting skepticism among even the most national security-minded Senate Democrats.

Most Democrats are flatly ruling it out, noting that President Donald Trump didn’t seek authorization from Congress before launching the war, so lawmakers now have no duty to help him bankroll another costly military operation in the Middle East.

“Our answer should just be simply, ‘No, you’re not getting money to fund an illegal, unpopular, potentially world-altering war,’” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) told HuffPost.

https://www.aol.com/articles/democrats-very-skeptical-funding-trump-171128569.html

[MorbidButterflyTat]

55. Phew! That's one Dem bullet dodged!

Next up: Not another vote for Democrats if they.....

[orangecrush]

18. Funny how they always seem to have juuuust enough votes

To get what they want, even with a razor thin majority.

Funny how that works.

[SunImp]

20. Careful you'll upset the obnoxiously self righteous people

that constantly talk down to people about "Purity tests" or the lazy " "

[angrychair]

21. Exactly

But I'm not bending on this. Tired of endless wars to murder people of color to steal their resources.
I'm done. I'm getting off this merry-go-round of death.

[paleotn]

29. Then you won't be voting this year?

Gee, that seems sorta kinda like that whole Gaza bit back in Nov. 2024. How'd that work out? Oops.

[angrychair]

34. I will happily

Vote for any Democrat that is against more military funding.

Serious question:
Why would you support someone that supports war and murder and theft?

[paleotn]

47. It seems you're moving the goal posts.

I get your anger. Really I do.

No matter the letter after your name, If you vote for another penny of military funding I will not vote for you.

The DoD budget has to be renewed usually on an annual basis. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your argument. Are you saying a penny in additional funding on top of last year's budget or a penny period? There's a significant difference. If you're calling for reductions, even massive reductions, I'm with you. A significant amount of DoD spend every year is for legacy systems and infrastructure DoD doesn't even want or need. It's a Congressional make work project for their districts, Dems and Pukes. And it hampers DoD from being able to fight todays war since much of that spend is based on a couple wars ago.

But while we're cutting the fat, don't cut bone and muscle. Dangerous world out there. And just because the tools of defense are misused doesn't mean we need to throw away ALL the tools.

[angrychair]

59. My point is this

We can longer afford a unlimited military budget.
We can longer afford to be gaslighted by people that we cannot afford Medicare for all or early childhood education or support our injured veterans but have all the budget in the world for a $100 billion dollar aircraft carrier.

What we are doing now can never happen again.

[paleotn]

71. Got it. I agree.

Not unlimited when we have far more pressing needs. We don't need to be the world's police force. DoD also doesn't need to be some crazy wanker's play thing either. Do we really need 11 aircraft carriers at a billion a pop or more? 11 and counting? Oh hell no.

[angrychair]

73. Well the USS Ford

Cost $13 billion dollars and the toilets barely work.
It's a real life shit show.

I mean we don't need a military budget of more than the next 18 countries combined. Maybe only the next two countries combined?
I also realize that we have been using the defense budget as an artificial jobs program but we need to stop doing that.

[paleotn]

28. And rightfully so.

[SunImp]

35. Talking down to people is never a winning strategy

[Zelda_Orchid]

45. "Talking down to people" is exactly what #OP is doing, innit?

[SunImp]

53. ..

I'm done with this
No matter the letter after your name, If you vote for another penny of military funding I will not vote for you.

If you vote for one more penny of money for this war I will not vote for you.

No more warmongering fascists running our country. We can no longer allow endless wars to be the norm.
Peace. Science. Life.

Sorry, I don't see it. Op is just saying they won't vote for anyone who wants to fund any wars or spend our tax dollars on tanks instead of things like healthcare. For me I'm okay with some military spending for our country, but as for funding other nations nope

[paleotn]

48. Sometimes you simply can't help yourself.

Seems you're doing it as well. That's natural. We're all human. Well, except for Trump.

[sop]

24. Here we go again. Same old arguments just before an election. Some folks never learn.

[angrychair]

26. Not the same

We are in a war. It should not be extreme position to not want a Democrat running for public office to not support endless war and trillion dollar military budgets.

If a Democrat doesn't support killing people of color in another country to steal their resources then they have my vote.
Not sure how that's controversial.

[sop]

39. Thing is, I agree with your position of not supporting war funding, endless wars and trillion dollar military budgets.

I just don't think what you're suggesting will be productive.

[angrychair]

43. How so?

I don't think it's unrealistic.

If we keep voting for people that will support stuff like that then how, specifically, do we expect anything to change?

[sop]

50. If elections were only about stopping endless war funding and trillion dollar military budgets, I would agree with you,

but there are many other forms of change to consider.

[angrychair]

56. Those are all that matter

Because here is the thing, where is the money coming from to do those other things we need to do? Funding the VA? Funding early childhood education? Universal healthcare?
Literally anything?
Because where exactly is that money coming from to do all that stuff we as Democrats want to do but we are always fighting a losing battle against an ever increasing budget for our Dept of endless war? if we have a $1.5 trillion dollar military budget? A $2 trillion dollar military budget? When does it end?
I will happily vote for candidates that do not support endless war and bottomless military budgets.

[H2O Man]

25. Recommended.

I hope there are primaries where they can be weeded out. And we need to do some weeding out those who support this. Hopefully, people have learned that support for the war in Gaza was a significant factor in the 2024 loses. I also focus on who they get donations from. But I will always vote for a Democrat in general elections.

[angrychair]

30. I hear you

But I'm getting off this merry-go-round of blood.

My position is unequivocal and unapologetic: if you support more war. More death. An endless trough of blood money to murder people of color and steal their resources, I'm not voting for that person. Period.

[paleotn]

27. Baby meet bathwater.

[angrychair]

40. Why?

I am against endless wars and bottomless military budgets.

I am only talking about Democrats that support that.
I don't think that should be a high bar or in the least controversial.

Serious question: do you support endless wars and bottomless military budgets?

[paleotn]

49. See 47 above. Your argument may not have been clear. At least to me.

[angrychair]

68. Admittedly

I could have worded it better in the OP because I've figured out a better way to say in as the conversations have progressed "no endless wars or bottomless military budgets" is much more clear.

[leftstreet]

32. DURec

[LetMyPeopleVote]

51. I agree

[Quiet Em]

63. Everyone should keep an eye on their own Senators.

Republicans will need seven Democrats.

My Senators, Gillibrand and Schumer, are against any funding for the con's war that nobody asked for and nobody wants.

[Scrivener7]

65. Wow. The people in this thread who are arguing with you are actually insisting that we mustn't have

a moral stance against funding and participating in this asinine war.

That's ... a big part of the problem, I'd say.

[NH Ethylene]

69. We are faced with 2 candidates

Each has stances on a large variety of issues. We learn about the candidates and choose the one who is the best, or at least the least objectionable. And of course that is always the Dem.

Single issue voting is partly what gave us a second term of Trump. People who cared passionately about the genocide in Gaza were angry at Harris for not taking a stand against Israel for these actions. Many did not realize that Trump would be far less sympathetic to Palestinians than Harris, nor were they politically savvy enough to realize Harris had to maintain that support for Israel or she would be skewered as antisemitic during the election. We all wound up with Trump and they were bitterly betrayed.

We need to understand there is a lot of nuance in politics. A female candidate, for example, has to sound tough on enemies or she will be considered weak. That doesn't mean she will bomb 8 countries in her first year!

So we have to make a choice based on many factors, many issues, many impressions. And we make the best choice we can. Trump made 'no new wars' a part of his campaign. Based on your criteria, he would be the one to vote for, and yet doing so unleashes chaos, crime, fascism and lies.

[angrychair]

72. One, I would never vote for a Republican

Two, I voted for Kamala Harris.
Three, I think asking a Democratic Party candidate to not support endless wars and bottomless military budgets is not controversial or too much of an ask.