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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy my head hurts: This exchange just happened Thursday on the Senate floor.
Cornyn: I dont understand how the SAVE Act disenfranchises voters.
Durbin: Happy to explain. Drivers licenses dont qualify under the bill. 50% of Americans dont have passports.
Cornyn: Why not just amend it?
Durbin: Whens the last time the Senate actually amended a bill?
Silence.
The SAVE Act requires passport-level documentation to register to vote.
50% of Americans dont have a passport.
The people least likely to have passports: the elderly, the poor, rural Americans, young first-time voters.
The people most likely to have passports: wealthy Americans.
This is not voter protection. This is voter selection.
And when a senator suggested fixing it his own colleague couldnt name the last time the Senate amended anything.
Thats the Senate in 2026.
My thanks to Brian Allen
@allenanalysis
no_hypocrisy
(54,807 posts)1. The average price of a passport is $135 and closer to $200 if you're in a hurry.
2. Rubio changed the passports so that you can't be transgendered. Either male or female.
3. It takes forever to get your passport. With hundreds of thousands, millions, applying simultaneously, there's a good chance that a lot of voters won't get them by November.
4. Between gas and the tariffs, who has $135 to dedicate for an otherwise free, constitutional right to vote?
sop
(18,388 posts)"Poll taxes are unconstitutional and illegal in the United States for all federal, state, and local elections. The 24th Amendment, ratified in January 1964, banned them for federal elections, and the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional for state/local elections in the 1966 case Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections."
no_hypocrisy
(54,807 posts)Mr.Bee
(1,786 posts)This man will do anything to stay out of prison
including starting distraction wars.
Chasstev365
(7,638 posts)Counter point: Americans who have a passport have traveled abroad and tend to be educated. They might be more likely to see when a democracy is slipping away.
Could the SAVE ACT actually eliminate more uneducated Trump voters from being able to vote?
Of course, it should be moot because under the Constitution, states run their own elections, but with this Supreme Court who knows what law is anymore.
blubunyip
(279 posts)and non-travelers are smart. This is not the way to handle those who aren't. Snobby elitist point of view that divides us further.
One citizen = one vote.
Address the propaganda machine and all the other fascist mechanisms at work in this corrupt nation.
BannonsLiver
(20,494 posts)In a lot of maga states, including the shit hole where I reside, the percentage of the population holding a passport is around 15-20 percent.
mwmisses4289
(3,911 posts)Hopefully, come November, texas voters will do the right thing and retire this dude and send someone better in his place.
Squaredeal
(718 posts)Those who took the name of their husband, since it doesnt match their birth certificate. Presentation of a valid marriage certificate, even if one is divorced but kept the exs last name, I assume, would be required to help prove citizenship.
Would presentation of adoption records be required to prove citizenship for those individuals who had a different name at birth, even in cases where birth records are sealed by a court?
There seems to be a lot of unanswered questions about the bill, not including the Constitutional challenge that elections are a state, not a federal right.
EuterpeThelo
(315 posts)My last name is hyphenated to honor my life partner of 20+ years who I lost to COVID thanks to the weaponized incompetence of this orange sack of oozing, toxic pus. For personal reasons, we never legally married but we did do a handfasting, which, in my eyes, is equally if not even more valid as it doesn't have the expiration date of "til death" attached. Changing my name was in accordance with his wishes. He's been gone almost six years and I still feel a swell of pride every time I write my name, because it was a gift he gave to me (while also retaining same from my dad, whom I also loved fiercely). No way am I dishonoring him by giving that up.
My family has been in the U.S. since 1624 if these jagoffs want to get into "citizenship."
Attilatheblond
(8,745 posts)This 'SAVE' act will disenfranchise millions of women while not putting pols who want the 19th Amendment overturned at risk of having their asses handed to them in an election. It would give also give Trump & other rapists in the Epstein some protection from millions of pissed off women voters who want them GONE from government.
The SAVE act only saves Trump from what he so richly deserves while punishing women for wanting to participate in the governance that impacts them, probably more than it impacts men.
Lonestarblue
(13,451 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,746 posts)twodogsbarking
(18,470 posts)uncle ray
(3,346 posts)twodogsbarking
(18,470 posts)They already had the information but rules is rules.
uncle ray
(3,346 posts)i was worried the seal was barely visible. the nice postal worker said that a new copy would raise more suspicion. whatever, minor inconvenience.
Easterncedar
(6,119 posts)According to a reply she sent to a voter friend who contacted her about it. Time to push is now! Call, write and do it again, please!
efhmc
(16,554 posts)Easterncedar
(6,119 posts)She might tip over our way if it serves her self-serving purposes. I know she isn't going to stand on principle!!
LymphocyteLover
(9,746 posts)ananda
(34,973 posts)sucking up to Trump.
Scalded Nun
(1,668 posts)Even more desperate now to get his lips closest to Trump's ass to curry favor for his runoff with another Texas idiot Paxton.
He seems to show up in about every pic with Senators, but does not know or do shit for the state or its citizens.
A major reason why we left the state. It is all about self-preservation, the grift, and the power.
They have been in complete power and doing this for 40 years now...and they keep pointing the finger at the dems for why nothing ever improves.
CaptainTruth
(8,173 posts)Think of all the rural voters who vote GOP, I'll bet the great majority don't have passports.
I've known several Fox-watching straight-R voters who live just a town or two away from where they grew up & have hardly made it out of their state much less the country. Why would they have passports?
ScratchCat
(2,735 posts)I don't support the SAVE Act, but I don't know where some people are getting this stuff. It would be automatically struck down at the first legal challenge which would happen the day after it was signed into law if it required such a thing.
As long as you had to provide a birth certificate to renew/get your drivers license, that suffices any requirement here. Most people have the new, conforming ID. Durbin is simply incorrect about driver's licenses not qualifying here. This law would not require every American to acquire a passport to vote in the 2026 or 2028 elections. Again, if it did, it would be automatically struck down.
mcar
(45,927 posts)Only 5 states accept the new DLs as proof of citizenship.
usonian
(24,855 posts)patphil
(8,984 posts)If a passport is part of the requirement, then poor, rural American citizens may be intentionally discriminated against. Farmers in particular may never have traveled outside the country, so they never saw a need for one.
Also the elderly who may have had a passport at one time, but no longer travel and have let it lapse. My wife and I are in that group, and I've just got my documents for passport renewal together. We'll be starting the process soon.
I haven't gotten any in-depth determination as to which party will lose the most votes, but that may not be the point of it. Perhaps it's the start of a long term restructuring of the voting process that will eventually trim the roles down to a much smaller percentage of citizens being allowed to vote. The smaller the number, the easier it is to control the outcome.
Joinfortmill
(20,960 posts)patphil
(8,984 posts)TBF
(36,426 posts)maxsolomon
(38,580 posts)Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem.
Timewas
(2,726 posts)Approximately 4551% of Americans hold a valid passport, with over 170 million active passports in circulation as of 20242025. This represents a significant increase from the 1990s, when only about 410% held one. Ownership is highest among young adults (53%) and college-educated individuals
So that stops a pretty large portion fo population from voting,ad in the disenfranchising of married women who cannot find both their birth certs. and wedding licenses it does a lot of damage...
SidneyR
(212 posts)Ph.D. here, risen from trailer trash to a graduate degree. That required a ton of work and debt. Paid off student loans at the age of 63. I could never afford to travel. And I am terrified of flying. So no, I have no passport.
Seinan Sensei
(1,518 posts)Never forget. Always remember -- this is a problem that is NOT a problem
WAPO estimated there were 31 fraudulent votes out of 3 billion (with a "B" ) votes
Fifth Circuit in Texas found 2 convictions of voter fraud out of 2 million votes
Then-Gov Rick Scott went looking for fraud (!) and found 85 non-citizen registrants out of 12 million voters
Iowa -- 27 out of 1.6 million
Kansas - 14 out of 84 million
VOTER-FRAUD IS NOT A PROBLEM
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
LetMyPeopleVote
(178,815 posts)Jimvanhise
(591 posts)Having to buy a passport in order to qualify to vote would invalidate the Save Act.
Joinfortmill
(20,960 posts)alimbalt
(43 posts)... as useful as men's nipples.