Sticking with Treason

[4bonhoffer]

He and the republicans are aiding and abetting putin ( lifting oil sanctions ) while putin is providing Iran with satellite imagery that helps them to kill our troops. Explain why this is not treason, and why it is not the lead story of every news site. WTF

[Goonch]

1. ;-{}....

[TomSlick]

2. Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution.

Article III, Section 3, Clause 1:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

The drafters were reacting to the tendency of English kings to label any affront to their personal dignity, e.g. having sex with the King's wife, as treason.

We are not at war with Russia. Therefore, the conduct you described cannot be treason. It's disloyal, a possible violation of foreign agent registration act, and maybe espionage but not treason.

[slightlv]

4. I know, technicalities taken into account, no one wants to call it treason.

But damn... it's one of the reasons that people in the U.S. don't trust government. We KNOW treason when we see it. When you have a president who is aiding a country we've been at odds with for decades and decades people see it as treason; even if it doesn't fit this narrow definition. To me, that means not that it isn't treason... it means we need to expand that definition of treason to one of more common sense.

Meanwhile, to use your example, you've already got a "king" who's trying to imprison anyone who is in his way or is his "enemy"... much like your English king. I doubt anyone would want to try out Melania, but hea... trump is much more into his prepubescent girls, anyway.

[TomSlick]

7. Amending the Constitution to redefine treason would be nearly impossible and unnecessary.

What is needed to a word to describe Trump's conduct. I recommend disloyalty.

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. Already explained it in your last post.

Why do you need the facts repeated? Just go back to that thread.

[blue-wave]

5. Well, you know

there are those who are speculating about this:

Kremlin and Kazakhstan Both Have Kompromat on Trump, Says Ex-KGB Spy Chief

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/69648

[CoopersDad]

6. "Krasnov"

Yup, that's him.

[Kid Berwyn]

8. Corporate McPravda

Fascism guarantees power to the CEO class and profit without end to ownership. As for the 99-percent: expect via AI what Hermann Goering observed from history:

“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

[B.See]

9. Funny thing is,

Trump throws the T word at everyone, everything that's 'NOT LOYAL' ('waaa eaaa, your not loyal'). Politicians, journalist, protestors....

But call what Trump and his MAGATS have done treason, or at the least, treasonous, and there'll always be those with legalese to tell us why it isn't so.

My two cents? What's good for the goose.... I don't mind using it, and frankly think we should say it more often.