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no_hypocrisy

(55,046 posts) Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:18 AM Mar 17

I'm surprised that TSFF hasn't ordered Hegseth to order naval ships

into the Straits of Hormuth despite warnings.

I know, I know, the Pentagon and the military brass would be dead set against such an order.

Is this disobeying an order?

Is the WH worried about the optics of the Navy refusing an order?

Is this an example of an "illegal order" as outlined by Senator Mark Kelly?

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I'm surprised that TSFF hasn't ordered Hegseth to order naval ships (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Mar 17 OP

i'm hoping....... AltairIV Mar 17 #1

naval officers are ordered to do stupid things all the time rampartd Mar 17 #2

Not necessarily illegal PJMcK Mar 17 #3

The Iranian drones work kinda like 303squadron Mar 17 #4

Navy want in the game like anyone else OC375 Mar 17 #5

Trump seems to have no trouble re-enacting what he excoriates others for. (Benghazi?) usonian Mar 17 #6

AltairIV

(1,054 posts)

1. i'm hoping.......

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:43 AM

Mar 17

......that on some level he understands that a catastrophic loss of just one US warship and the horrific casualties that would result would
absolutely finish him with voters. And yes it would be all about him.

rampartd

(4,728 posts)

2. naval officers are ordered to do stupid things all the time

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:54 AM

Mar 17

stupid may get people killed, but it is not necessarily illegal.

PJMcK

(25,057 posts)

3. Not necessarily illegal

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:59 AM

Mar 17

But definitely STUPID.

Trump's war was not planned carefully or strategically because Trump is an idiot.

Even Trump's hand-picked generals and admirals don't want this war.

303squadron

(834 posts)

4. The Iranian drones work kinda like

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:04 AM

Mar 17

The bazooka from WWII. As they strike it triggers explosives that melt a cone of copper.

That melted copper propelled by explosives can punch through steel. Then another charge sets off shrapnel.

In WWII even with advanced fighters and shells with proximity fuses the Navy could not stop every kamikaze.

OC375

(1,066 posts)

5. Navy want in the game like anyone else

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:17 AM

Mar 17

They’re not afraid of Hormuz if the gloves are actually off. Of course, that would mean there’s a battle plan, which doesn’t seem apparent. The sailors, Marines and flyers are probably quite frustrated, despite what command says. Watching the enemy maneuver while doing nothing is infuriating.

usonian

(25,794 posts)

6. Trump seems to have no trouble re-enacting what he excoriates others for. (Benghazi?)

Reply to no_hypocrisy (Original post)

Tue Mar 17, 2026, 09:28 AM

Mar 17

I can pretty much guarantee that whatever horrific war crime he instigates, someone or something. will get the blame.
AI?
Don't forget that the OpenAI-Anthropic shitstorm immediately preceded the school bombing.

And whether a human or A.I. is the fall guy for "the big one" falling, I doubt that any pilot or crew (or chatbot) would say no.

AI or Pete?

Easy, AI is God.

Trump throws everyone close to him or who trusts him under the bus.

Hegseth to the Straights of Vermouth (oops, meme coming soon)

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