'She Won: Florida Used a Fake County Vote Bank in the 2024 Election'

[Joinfortmill]

Last edited Tue Mar 17, 2026, 06:40 PM - Edit history (1)

https://substack.com/home/post/p-190246264

My words: We all knew something like this is likely what happened because she drew hundreds of thousands of people and he drew hundreds, if that. Well, we weren't alone.

Added Note: About "This Will Hold". They are legit, however, they do keep their identities anonymous.

'Receipts attached. The question now is what legislators and the media will do about it.'

'Watching Kamala Harris’s vote totals decline by millions across swing states on election night sent our team down a year-long rabbit hole to understand why reported totals were moving backward. That is, until we uncovered the five fake “ghost” counties containing millions of votes—and realized we were onto something.

And we weren’t alone in noticing irregularities. In Pennsylvania, state Rep. Frank Burns (D) watched his own totals move backward as well. He ultimately won, but began asking questions—and so did we.

After more than a year of pressing for legislative and criminal investigations, we knew we had to find irrefutable evidence....'

Trump and Musk’s hints and innuendo about stealing the election didn’t prompt scrutiny or action, and neither did statistically anomalous swing-state data. More than 200 Russian bomb threats, widespread election equipment malfunctions, and documented breaks in ballot chain-of-custody procedures didn’t either.

Then, while digging into numbers that made no statistical sense and blatant post-election record changes, we found the math: a simple A + B = C equation—one that doesn’t require analysts or statisticians to understand but should never appear in an election.

This is how we caught them.'

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Kooky CT nonsense

9 million fewer voters showed up in 2024 than did in 2020.

That’s how Trump won and Harris lost.

There is as much evidence for 2024 election denialism as there is for 2020 election denialism:

Zero

Election denialism is a faulty coping mechanism to avoid the emotional pain of grieving a loss at the polls, and does not help us prepare for the challenges that lie ahead in the midterms.

[QueerDuck]

6. Exactly. This doesn't help.

[Cirsium]

57. A rare opportunity

Ah, this is a rare opportunity for me to agree with you, and I am going to take advantage of it.

[Callie1979]

13. Focusing on stuff like this instead of the REAL reasons we lost is a waste of time & energy

But nobody wants to admit THOSE things either.
Just the other day we had a long thread about how HORRIBLE it is for democrats to use the word "homeland".

[BComplex]

17. I know, right? Everyone knows republicans don't cheat!!!

It's so trumpian to complain that elections are stolen. After all, everyone knows how safe computers are! Right???

[GiqueCee]

24. The evidence...

... of skullduggery is mounting. If they've got receipts, hear them out before condemning them.

[Fiendish Thingy]

46. Nobody has "receipts"

Just like Rudi, they have “theories, but no evidence”.

If they had “receipts”, as in factual, verifiable evidence, they would have no trouble finding a lawyer to take the case to court and put their law license on the line to introduce the evidence in front of a judge.

But no lawyer wants to lose their means for earning a living, as Rudy, Sidney and several other lawyers did after the 2020 election.

[EdmondDantes_]

80. When their previous "evidence" has been garbage they should lose credibility

How many lies can they tell before we can safely dismiss them as liars?

[GiqueCee]

81. You're disparaging Democrats...

... who are trying to get to the bottom of lies that are Trump's stock in trade. He's let the truth slip out many times, such as thanking Musk for "his knowledge of vote-counting machines". Trump LOVES to humiliate people by rubbing their noses in the fact that he's gotten away with something – AGAIN. I don't doubt for a second that Republicans, and Trump's gaggle of goons in particular, rigged the elections in key states; it's what they do!
I think you'll come to regret your dismissal of their investigations.

[EdmondDantes_]

88. I'm disparaging grifters and frauds

But if that's the case, aren't the people bringing up these claims also disparaging all the election officials that are Democrats as well as the entire Harris campaign?

How many times can they lie before we're allowed to disregard them?

[GiqueCee]

93. I disagree.

[EdmondDantes_]

99. Not much of an argument there

These frauds have claimed that a precinct in Pennsylvania had 400+% turnout. That is a lie that they haven't retracted.

Official vote totals
https://www.norcopa.gov/corecode/uploads/document6/uploaded_pdfs/corecode/GE24%20Precinct%20Level%20Summary%20Results_1290.pdf page 366

Their lie: https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/how-did-43598-of-voters-cast-ballots

Why should I or anyone else believe them when they continue to lie? They also don't link back to the original source of their claim so you can't verify it.

And how do these claims not require that Democratic election officials not either be stupid, corrupt, or cowardly? If there was cheating they either didn't see it, didn't care, or were afraid to call it out. Is there another option I'm missing?

[31st Street Bridge]

101. Oswald acted alone, too

Wrong on both counts.
He didn't.
She won.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

102. Agree .

[Just_Vote_Dem]

2. Frank Burns is a Democrat?

Hawkeye must finally have gotten through to him

[UpInArms]

3. I think this is why TFG's goons are demanding all of the voter rolls from the states

So they can cook the books

[yellow dahlia]

36. If there is a way to cheat - they'll use it.

[Kid Berwyn]

4. Explains how ALL the swing states went for Trump.

Explains how Trump said Elon knows about those "vote counting computers."

Also explains how Trump can kill Americans for protesting without consequences and his treasons to start an illegal, immoral, and increasingly disastrous war to divert attention from Epstein.

[yellow dahlia]

37. Thank you to Elon.

The confessor in chief.

[Kid Berwyn]

67. The richest man in the universe.

So grateful for what he learned from Epstein to get that way.

[yellow dahlia]

71. Indeed. Birds of a feather, as they say.

[OMGWTF]

5. I will go to my grave convinced that Eloon and T💩p stole the election. They bragged about it.

Fewer voters showed up due to aggressive voter suppression efforts, bomb threats, etc. Also, some counties voted overwhelmingly for the Dem senatorial candidate, but Kamala received zero votes. There was much fkery afoot.

[Amaryllis]

8. Not to mention RUssia.

[ancianita]

11. Me, too.

Elon uploaded vote tabulator codes of battleground states a month BEFORE vote tabulations on election day, then downloaded changed codes to those tabulators ahead of time so that the R win counts were by a slim 1%. Yep, he bragged about it.

Just because FactCheck says "Experts said voting machines are not connected to the internet during tabulation" only means that those "experts" overlooked that the tabulating codes could easily have been changed before tabulation day. And that's what Elon's Starlink did. And Elon allows Russia to have access to Starlink.

[yellow dahlia]

38. There are so many elements that don't add up.

The districts where Dems won in Congress, but Kamala didn't get the votes. Please!?

[Polybius]

48. If that's what makes you sleep better, go for it n/t

[IbogaProject]

7. Also bomb threats only in blue precints

And one or more chain of coustody violations with tabulators in at least PA and GA.

[Celerity]

9. De rec this CT bollocks. This Will Hold is BlueAnon crackpottery.

[Wiz Imp]

21. It appears there is a good chance This Will Hold is actually Russian state sponsored disinformation

https://sgcarney.substack.com/p/was-i-duped-by-russian-spies?r=4ueio&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

[Joinfortmill]

32. I don't believe so. A U.S. veteran, I believe.

[Jose Garcia]

89. Lots of the January 6 insurrectionists were veterens also

Serving in the military doesn't immunize you from conspiracy theories. Just ask Ashlee Babbit.

[Chemical Bill]

47. Well...

Russian disinformation?

It's hard to tell....

Maybe we should hand recount the votes cast using paper ballots. That might expose the truth.

After all, several organizations did that in some states after the 2020 election, and proved that Trump did not win.

And when the media consortium hand recounted the votes from Florida in 2000, they proved that Gore won.

I think we are all interested in the truth.

[chowder66]

10. Interesting counter to this.....

Premiered Dec 30, 2025
Last week I posted a video with the title “Yes, There’s New Evidence that the 2024 Election Was Hacked” which showed five different fake counties in swing states with a total of almost 20 million votes which I suggested could be smoking gun evidence of an election hack in progress. Today I’m going to tell you why that theory was wrong –that the fake counties were definitely simply glitches displayed by Decision Desk HQ interface, how those glitches happened, and how I came to believe that they were something that they weren’t.

There’s an old saying on the Internet that if you want to get the right answer about something that you just need to post the wrong one and someone, somewhere in the comments will correct you. And correct me they did. In fact, the evidence is so compelling that it’s basically irrefutable.

More important: this is also a story about my interactions with a group called The Common Coalition, which also goes by This Will Hold on substack, which I now believe is intentionally distorting election evidence and undermining any attempt for an honest assessment of the 2024 election.

Indeed, considering my interactions with them over the last six months, I believe that it is entirely possible that they are more than a group of earnest citizens overtaken by confirmation bias, but are, in fact, backed by a foreign intelligence service.

[questionseverything]

16. Yes, when voters see voting totals go backwards that is definitely a glitch lol

As Stalin taught us,

“It doesn’t matter who votes, it’s who counts
the vote “

The only way the average citizen can over see the vote count is with hand counted paper ballots, counted openly and transparently in full public view… and if the average citizen can not oversee the counting, why should we trust it?

[BurnDoubt]

12. Let's see the proof.

I’m dying to see the proof.
I’m one who will always believe they rigged it. (Both Times)
My belief is based on the likely-erroneous faith that people are basically good, ethical beings who would recoil from the people hawking the drek we are enduring. I couldn’t believe Americans could sink so low.
Bring us some Truth. Bring the Proof.

[Wiz Imp]

14. As with everything from "This Will Hold" this is 100% bullshit;

See this from Scott Carney who was initially fooled by them, but then discovered it was all bullshit.

https://sgcarney.substack.com/p/was-i-duped-by-russian-spies?r=4ueio&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

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However, we all know that Russians have been heavily involved in election interference since at least 2016. The FBI is still looking for several Russian military intelligence agents who have tried to hack election systems, and, more importantly, used social media to sow discord and distrust in the American election process. Investigative journalist Benn Jordan put out a report earlier this year indicating that the system is so pervasive and sophisticated that as many as one in three interactions on social media are actually with bot accounts.

The goal of military disinformation campaigns isn’t to directly sway an elections’ results, but rather make it impossible to trust anything at all that you read online and to make you feel helpless and apathetic to reality. I believe that This Will Hold and the Common Coalition fit the profile of an intelligence operation precisely because they have zero accountability. They promote knowingly fake election theories into the public sphere in order to sow confusion among people who have more reliable information.

This does not mean that everyone in the Common Coalition is a Russian asset, only but that the top of the coalition would be exactly that. At the very least they would be what the FSB calls a “useful idiot.”

At this point, their conspiracy theories are so popular that they drown out more nuanced analysis by Smart Elections and the Election Truth Alliance–both of which are groups that have transparent founders that you can vet directly.

[questionseverything]

23. His big explanation is " there must os been glitches "

But we appreciate the advertisement and look forward to discovery

And counties that don’t exist reporting numbers and watching those numbers spin backwards, obviously another “ glitch “

[Wiz Imp]

56. You ignore this

To answer this issue, a user on bluesky named MarketMaker2757 showed multiple clips from the same 5 hour livestream that I was referring to where the glitches appear. In these clips it’s obvious that the vote tallies for incomplete statewide results.

You can see here with Allen County North Carolina, the screen actually flips between a statewide screen and the transposed Allen county screen with the vote totals remaining the same in both cases. The same is true for Michigan’s Oklahoma County, Georgia’s Hamilton County and, of course, Burke County Florida.

I find this evidence pretty much irrefutable. The “fake counties” were simply glitches caused by transpositional errors during an exceedingly long livestream rather than evidence that fake counties were used as a bank of phantom votes that would later be covertly distributed to flip the election. To be clear, I’m not weighing in on whether the election was hacked or not, so much as stating that this particular evidence just does not add up.

[questionseverything]

98. lol well if marketmaker says so

[questionseverything]

25. Who is carney?

[Wiz Imp]

50. An investigative journalist and award winning author.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Carney

Carney won the 2010 Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism for his story "Meet the Parents". In 2008, he was selected as a finalist for the Livingston Award for International Journalism for an article titled "The Bone Factory". He was also a finalist for the same award in 2010 for this story "Cash on Delivery" about surrogate pregnancies in India. He has been nominated for the Daniel Pearl Award from the South Asian Journalists Association three times. The Red Market won the 2012 Clarion Award for best non-fiction book. The Vortex was included on the long-list of finalists for the 2023 Carnegie Medal for excellence in nonfiction.

Who is behind "thiswill hold"? That's right, nobody knows because they refuse to identify themselves. Why would legitimate people looking at suppsed election fraud refuse to identify themselves? Hint: There is no possible positive answer to that question.

[questionseverything]

62. Because nothing bad ever happened to a whistleblower?

[Wiz Imp]

64. Wow.

There is nothing they have published that could remotely be considered whistleblowing. They specialize in talking about fake statistics that their readers are not knowledgable enough about data to understand that what they are saying is total BS.

[Buddyzbuddy]

15. Just because somebody says it didn't happen (stealing an election) doesn't make it so.

There are rational, intelligent people researching this with the knowledge that it will not reverse the election. Their purpose is not to reverse it, but to prevent it from happening again if it was stolen. Facts are facts and if the facts are being lied about the truth will be revealed.

This isn't anything like 2020 where all attempts to overturn the election, dozens, were defeated in court. There was an army of kooks and liars, I mean lawyers working on behalf of a nutjob that knew it was a lie. He admitted as much. For him, it was life and death, he had to win. And lo and behold, in spite of so many Republicans, many from his Administration, coming out and speaking the truth against him he "won" all of the swing states. He did so well the first time, people couldn't wait for him to be back in office?

I've accepted that he is the President for no other reason than, there is nothing to be done about it now. But just because he's made election denial a farcical sport doesn't mean it couldn't be true for Nov. 2024. The same people act as though they are the watchdogs of truth and continue to try to convince others not to doubt the election, don't look for facts to disprove what they believe to be true because it's not possible, it didn't happen.
If they're that convinced then why worry about what other people are researching. If it bothers you personally, then don't read it. Frankly, it makes me suspicious of their intent, their motivation. Any intelligent rational person IMHO would ignore it and move on. I would just chock it up to kooks and liars and not waste my time. Instead, the same players are trying to convince people not to look, not to listen. Almost as though they work for opposition or have an unhealthy need to be contrary.

This is not meant to be a personal attack against healthy dialog, only a defense in favor of open dialog of different opinions and debate of facts research and analysis.

Fact: the Felon is the President.
Fact: the elections were certified.
Fact: there were and are unexplained anomalies that occurred.

Be well my fellow DUers,

[EdmondDantes_]

18. Those so-called rational intelligent people investigating are frauds

Every time they provided "evidence" it's been garbage. The whole country in New York were nobody voted for Harris was a single precinct that voted in lockstep previously because it's a tiny religious community. The Pennsylvania county with 400% turnout, had 80% turnout. They are liars grifting off people.

[questionseverything]

29. If it was "one tiny " precinct, why not open the box and prove it's accurate?

[EdmondDantes_]

49. Because there's no reason to

For the same reason there's no reason to prove Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster don't exist. Especially not for people who clearly aren't acting in good faith. The frauds behind the substack never retract their false claims. Why should anyone have to prove a negative to conspiracy theorists?

[questionseverything]

97. Without transparent elections we don't have a democracy, it's painful to see democrats be

Insulting, mean and nasty because I don’t want to “trust “ the owners of the voting machine company

[EdmondDantes_]

103. I am dismissive of people who refuse to be realistic

We absolutely have oversight of elections. You want something that can't meaningfully be done. There is no universe in which it's feasible to to think every single ballot for every single election in the country is going to be shown hand counted in front of you. That would take months given every ballot has a bunch of races and ballot measures on them so each ballot would either be counted 5+ times or take 5 minutes each. We absolutely know hand counting is less accurate and we have election monitors present during the process. There are audits in the system to ensure the voting is correctly counted. While they clearly don't satisfy you, I suspect you don't actually need to see validation of everything.

Do you need to personally be flown to the moon to prove we can fly to the moon? Or is the word of scientists enough? To watch the gas delivery guy pour the correct fuel into the correct tank at the gas station, that your paycheck will be deposited and your bank will say yep, those electrons are equivalent to x amount of money. That other drivers will stop at a red light. We all do that in spite of the small but very real chance that it happens and immediately kills us and people die every day in car crashes. At what point do the experts and the experience that while we lose some elections we win a lot of them as well not disprove that there's a secret button that can be pushed to change votes? If you don't want to take their word, or the election results you like as evidence, if Trump had a magic cheat button, why is he trying so hard to make voting harder, to gerrymander Republican states? It doesn't make sense that he would waste the time instead of telling us how great he is or throwing a temper tantrum because other countries won't help his stupid Iran war.

And your position inherently relies on the stupidity, corruption, or cowardice of Democrats in every state, so maybe just maybe you should reconsider which of us is being insulting and dismissive towards Democrats. I can point to data to back up my position. Every time one of these posts goes up, someone provides evidence from real sites with source links to disprove the claim. Why is that not evidence of the people making the claims aren't trustworthy considering the substack or the Election Truth Alliance never actually link directly to their source?

[questionseverything]

106. Actually just last week somewhere announced they were going to scan and post all their ballots online

Every scanner already has the capability, it’s just a matter of publishing the scans so anyone or any group could do an audit, that’s a start

[questionseverything]

108. Macomb County Michigan

[questionseverything]

28. It's always the same user names rushing in to tell us to trust the counting/ reporting system

[yellow dahlia]

39. You noticed too?

[Six117]

30. Additional fact

There were magas installed in all levels of the election infrastructure in many states. I absolutely cannot believe they would not cheat to get that thing back into power.

[Wiz Imp]

51. Completely false.

Every Swing State except Georgia had a Democratic Governor and a Democratic Secretary of State. I'm sure Putin is laughing with delight at how gullible even some Progressives are in the US to buy into such bullshit.

[mr715]

19. Were it rigged, she should be saying so.

[lostnfound]

42. No she wouldn't.

Not unless she had the backing of at least a third of her party’s leadership; AND had a media that wouldn’t immediately throw an outrage party before they looked at the facts, AND rock-solid evidence.

She may have major suspicions, but that doesn’t mean she would go on a suicide mission to prove it.

And like everything else, IOKIYAR.

[mr715]

45. She was the nominee.

She had the support of the President. Had this coordinated attack on democracy actually occurred, they were the ones in charge that allowed it to happen.

The point is it didn't happen. One solution is very simple, the other requires complicity from our own party and is tortuous.

[questionseverything]

75. It doesn't require complicity from our side

Hillary spoke about why she didn’t ask for a recount in Wisconsin and it was because huge portions of ne Wisconsin had paperless voting machines, she made a plea to get back to paper ballots so that recounts were possible

[mr715]

96. Was the election rigged in 2016, too?

[mr715]

115. I want to hear some chin music

[Clouds Passing]

20. How could they have missed FAKE COUNTIES?!

[Wiz Imp]

22. Because it didn't happen?

[questionseverything]

26. So why is there a picture on the news of the fake counties report

[SheltieLover]

27. Depends on who is counting the votes, Clouds

[Clouds Passing]

31. Sure does SL. Remember the Supreme Court in 2000 forced Florida to quit counting the votes.

When all the votes were actually totaled, Al Gore won FL, thus he won the Presidency. The GOP has been manipulating votes, voters, entire elections for decades. This is what we need to come to reality about.

[SheltieLover]

40. Oh, I recall very well, Clouds!

[Clouds Passing]

41. Dems should NEVER have caved!

[SheltieLover]

43. Agreed!

[Joinfortmill]

44. The article goes into the details. It's long.

[Wiz Imp]

52. It is entirely bullshit and has been thoroughly debunked.

God, it is depressing how many people at DU buy into such obvious bullshit.

[Joinfortmill]

53. We have differing opinions.

[Fiendish Thingy]

61. Shit like this rises to the top of the Greatest Page

It is depressing to see how many uncritical dupes buy this nonsense.

[Scrivener7]

79. Where? I hear everyone saying these things have been debunked, but I don't ever see the debunking.

[EdmondDantes_]

83. If only there was some way to search

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220967788 - Please note Kaleva in post 23 posted a direct link to the Pennsylvania vote totals that refutes the lie in the substack.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220729019 - Please note cmmdgrnd in post 6 debunked their lie again with a direct link

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100220846123 - cmmndgrnd again coming in with debunking links for both the claims about the vote jump and then again with proof that Tennessee has paper ballots.

For their claims about more people voting Democratic in down ticket races being evidence of cheating, do you really need a citation that split ticket voting is a thing?

For their math on how unlikely it was that 88 counties changed from blue to red and none switched from red to blue, they literally tell you that their math isn't accurate, but then proceed to use it without acknowledging that virtually the entire country shifted red and yet still claimed it was at worst a 50/50 chance a county would change.

How many lies do they tell before you stop believing them?

[Scrivener7]

84. Huh. Well, interestingly, your second "proof" links to a 404 page. The first is a website that might or might not

be legit. In the third, cmmngrnd does have links to legit state sites, but the post with the vote totals has no link.

I agree that the sources for "voting conspiracy" are squidgy. But so are the sources for "no conspiracy."

We keep being presented with ratcheting horrifying acts that no one previously believed possible. And yet there are still those here that think their skepticism about things that were previously thought impossible makes them intellectually superior. But, for example, many here were disgusted with those of us who said Epstein didn't kill himself. Now it turns out that there are a series of mysterious payments going to at least one of the guards, and there was a video angle that was not released.

They're going to try to steal this next election. We need to defend against that.

[annielion]

33. This may not be the best source of proof of election fraud in 2024.

I don't think This Will Hold is the best source of the evidence of massive election fraud in 2024 (changing of vote counts after the election via the vote-counting computers). We need some specific audits comparing paper ballots with recorded county results. ElectionTruthAlliance.org.is suing a few counties to perform these audits.

Computers are not adding machines. Computers count our votes in secret in whatever way they are programed to count. Computers are always hackable. People in charge of voting machines say they are not connected to the Internet. However, precinct counts are usually transmitted to the county via cellular modems. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winning situation for the precinct vote counts being changed before they are recorded by the county.

This is why mail-in voting is hated by Republicans. The mail-in votes go directly to the county. No chance for Internet access to change the vote counts.

[questionseverything]

95. The vote count could easily be changed by hand on the reporting page

[mvd]

34. K&R

Keep doing the investigating. I feel it’s been like a drip drip drip that is confirming my suspicions. I know there is a ton of ignorance in this.country - an unbelievable amount. And the political cluelessness even sometimes affects those on our side. For example, Alicia Silverstone supported Bernie. In this past election, she supported RFK Jr. with much gushing! I wonder how she feels now that he is one of Trump’s cabinet’s worst? Too bad because I’ve always liked her. Anyway despite the tons of ignorance, I have always had the feeling that Kamala really won.

[yellow dahlia]

35. This Will Hold has been deciphering and analyzing.

To me - it was obvious on election night. The analysis matches up.

Kamala did not lose.

[Wiz Imp]

54. Thiis will Hold is almost certainly a Russian State Sponsored disinformation

From the video I poosted a link to:

They portrayed someone claiming to be variously a NSA and CIA spy who said he was part of an election hacking conspiracy, but was later revealed to be a loan officer at Fidelity bank. When I showed them the obvious evidence that their source was a fraud and asked them to retract their story,they claimed they “fully vetted” him, but failed to provide any indication what that vetting was.

My main objection to the common coalition is simple: they are a completely anonymous organization. While This Will Hold claims to represent “62 independent researchers” all of those mysterious individuals categorically refuse to identify themselves. Transparency and accountability are the very foundation of credible investigative journalism. This will Hold says they represented a “team” but there is no way to identify the credentials or background of anyone who they work with, writing:

“for safety and legal reasons, members of our team don’t go on the record publicly. That doesn’t change authorship of the work or ownership of the analysis, and it doesn’t undermine the reporting itself.”

That’s an interesting take, because as you can see from this channel, a real investigative journalist understands that they can’t be anonymous and credible at the same time. If there is personal danger, you have to be willing to take that risk. The legal worries they have seem to be they don’t want to be held accountable for libel.

I offered This Will Hold an opportunity to come on this channel to explain how they came up with their results several times. Their initial response was “I have no interest in being on your channel” two minutes after I asked, and then the next day they wrote

“I’m not declining to appear on the show lightly. I’m currently battling stage 3 cancer, in the middle of an aggressive round of chemotherapy, have three more surgeries, and frankly it’s miserable. Going on-air just isn’t feasible right now. The goal here is coordination, accuracy, and forward momentum. Hope that helps clear things up.”

This does not ring credible to me. While I have no idea about the health history of This Will Hold, it feels manipulative to throw cancer into the mix to get out of an interview. Indeed, if there are 62 people in the organization, why wouldn’t someone else be able to fill that role?

These are not the actions of a legitimate organization.

[Joinfortmill]

55. Former U.S. Military. It's on Substack.

[Wiz Imp]

58. What the hell are you talking about?

There is tons of bullshit on substack.

[Joinfortmill]

59. Ok

[Fiendish Thingy]

60. You're being lied to to get clicks on a CT site. Nt

[yellow dahlia]

65. "Pssst... if we were a 'Russian psyop,' we'd want the regime to stay right where it is".

This is the substack post from whence that quote came.
https://substack.com/@thiswillhold/note/c-227955106

While I was at it, Media Bias/Fact Check rated This WIll Hold as left leaning - good. And the rate the content as "mixed". They do not rate it as false, although they do not validate all of their analysis - hence mixed.

[Joinfortmill]

66. Thank you.

[yellow dahlia]

70. Did you notice the same names come out to discredit?

Could it be psy-ops? Could there be an agenda?

[Wiz Imp]

74. Wow!

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

Matthew 7:3-4

[Scrivener7]

78. .

[Scrivener7]

77. Well done.

[Joinfortmill]

82. What strange and unsettling times we live in

[Wiz Imp]

90. The lack of self awareness of many people here is both mind boggling and super depressing.

[Wiz Imp]

68. You clearly don't understand the purpose of disinformation operations.

From Scott Carney:

The goal of military disinformation campaigns isn’t to directly sway an elections’ results, but rather make it impossible to trust anything at all that you read online and to make you feel helpless and apathetic to reality. I believe that This Will Hold and the Common Coalition fit the profile of an intelligence operation precisely because they have zero accountability. They promote knowingly fake election theories into the public sphere in order to sow confusion among people who have more reliable information.

[Wiz Imp]

72. Fact Sheet: What We Know about Russia's Interference Operations

https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations

Russian disinformation operations in 2016 targeted the political right and left, including Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, Black Lives Matters activists, and secessionist movements in Texas and California. Bottom line: Russia’s goal was to exacerbate the divisions that already exist in the country to destabilize its democracy.

https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/russian-disinformation-campaigns-on-twitter/#:~:text=Share%20Via%20Email-,Russian%20Twitter%20disinformation%20campaigns%20reach%20across%20the%20American%20political%20spectrum,from%20diverse%20coalitions%20of%20users.
Russian Twitter disinformation campaigns reach across the American political spectrum

1) Politically active communities present substantial vulnerabilities that disinformation agents can exploit. By far, the IRA accounts and content that attracted the most attention were explicitly political in nature. In contrast, the organization was less successful in engaging users with its hashtag games, health appeals, and general-interest news headlines. This indicates that politically engaged users should be especially mindful of attempts by foreign governments and others to co-opt their social media activities for surreptitious disinformation purposes.

2) Our results make it clear that group identities are at the core of the IRA’s attack strategy. Political audiences were addressed as liberals, conservatives, and Black people to provoke anger against oppositional outgroups. Each group was paired with a specific set of opponents: the IRA presented conservatives with outrages committed by liberals, immigrants, CNN, George Soros, and others; liberals witnessed the travesties of the Trump administration, Republicans in general, and evangelical Christians; and Black users were confronted with an endless cavalcade of racism, often perpetrated by white police officers.There was very little policy-related or even horse-race campaign content to be found—most tweets were devoted to vilifying political and social adversaries. Other tweets supported the core group identity in affirmative ways, such as conservative tweets celebrating law enforcement and the military and Black posts spotlighting Black history and achievements. Individuals who identify as members of targeted groups ran a disproportionate risk of exposure to IRA disinformation over the study time period. The 2020 election may put them in a similar position (Linvill & Warren, 2019).

[Buddyzbuddy]

63. Does anybody here deny that voters in very large numbers were removed from voting rolls?

Or that polling places were reduced in majority minority precincts to increase wait times at those polling places while simultaneously increasing the locations for white or Republican precincts to shorten the wait times to vote.
Laws were passed to keep citizens from passing out water bottles to voters. There are other numerous obvious policies and laws that have been implemented to reduce the amount of voters.

The Supreme Court Justice, Robert's removed protections from minorities right to vote stating that voting is not a right and minorities no longer need protections because there is no more discrimination.
Are these not all actions to impact election integrity?
If they're willing to do and say these things in public, why is it so impossible to believe the 2024 election may have been tampered with.
As for the receipts and why hasn't a lawyer taken them and sued in court.
1. To what end. It won't overturn the election.
2. Why would anybody wear a bullseye when this Administration with the full backing of the U.S. Gov't has proven itself to be vindictive in spite of violating the Constitution.
3. The best strategy in my opinion is to gather the "receipts" and present them to the proper authorities when the Felon can't do anything about it.
If election tampering can be proven it would involve a conspiracy involving many powerful people.

[Wiz Imp]

69. "This will hold" is peddling bullshit, not honest concerns about voter suppression.

[Buddyzbuddy]

73. I can't speak to "This will hold" specifically. I know nothing about them.

My statements were and are about the 2025 Presedential Election and my observations and information concerning it and in support of those questioning the integrity of that election.

[Wiz Imp]

91. This thread was specifically about a bullshit claim by "this will hold"

They made no claims about voter suppression which is real and definitely could have affected the election. You will find that people who call out bullshit like "this will hold" will not question claims about voter suppression affecting elections as long as they are backed up with verifiable facts.

[Scrivener7]

76. Of course this is being pooh-poohed as unlikely, which strikes me as funny given what we have already seen these

people are capable of.

BUT here's a really helpful side thing from this article, something that we can all do, especially because we don't seem to be getting a plan to counter the fact that the magats now completely own the media. (A problem that has been developing for decades and which we have never addressed in a concerted way. ) I've been asking forever, "Where is our bot farm?" but the article says this:

Make 5 calls using https://5calls.org

Send 5 emails using https://www.usa.gov/state-governments

Post on 5 social media sites using this article and our last one:
She Won: How Epstein and Peter Thiel Colluded With Russia to Rig the 2016 Election

If we are not going to get a bot farm, FOR ANY GIVEN ISSUE, we can ALL at least do this.

SO, I believe there is absolutely something going on with our elections, and we ignore that fact at our own risk. But I'm bookmarking this for many reasons, not least the call to action that we can use for any issue.

Thanks for posting!

[Kaleva]

85. Bernie drew more people then Hillary or Biden in the primaries

But still lost

[Joinfortmill]

86. Yes, but that is only part of the story. It's worth a read.

[Kaleva]

87. Agree

[Wiz Imp]

92. It really is sad.

Scott Carney is an investigative reporter and award winning author who has made it clear he is on the side of the people who question the results of the election. But when he calls out a fraudulent organization like "This will hold" because they are very clearly frauds and hurt the case of those crying "election interference", then we continue to see loads of people who "feel it in their bones" that the 2024 election was stolen refuse to accept the reality that the claims of "this will hold" are 100% bullshit.

Scott Carney continues to suppor the "Election Truth Alliance" which I believ is simply another grifting election denialist organization, but at least they are willing to go on record with their real identities and stand behind their claims.

https://sgcarney.substack.com/p/was-i-duped-by-russian-spies?r=4ueio&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

Now some of my viewers will not want to hear what I’m reporting to day, but before you change the channel, I want to be extremely clear with where I stand on the possibility that someone did interfere with the 2024 election. I still think that it is absolutely possible. Trump and Elon Musk have both made multiple statements that they meddled in the election software. They’ve been telegraphing their disdain for honest elections for a decade. There are also statistical anomalies outlined by both SMART Elections and Election Truth Alliance (who have both appeared on this channel) that I still find convincing. But getting the facts right is important. This is a topic that is so centrally to the future of the country and the world that we have no other choice.

At this point, their conspiracy theories are so popular that they drown out more nuanced analysis by Smart Elections and the Election Truth Alliance–both of which are groups that have transparent founders that you can vet directly.

They’re successful because what they have to say is more extreme than everyone else. It’s a story as old as social media and algorithmic recommendations.

The last thing that I want to say before I go is that it’s sort of embarrassing to admit that I made a mistake in such a public format. I want to get things right the first time and every time before I put out a report. But unfortunately the reality is that EVERYONE makes errors from time to time. It’s an unavoidable part of the job.

If only the people here were as honest with themselves as Scott Carney....

[Joinfortmill]

94. I think you just made the best argument for not using Mr. Carney and his opinions in this discussion.

[Wiz Imp]

100. Wow. I shouldn't be surprised by anything at this point

But the level of denial here is absolutely mind boggling.

[Joinfortmill]

104. Mr. Carney made his best argument for both sides. I'd say he negated himself.

[Scrivener7]

117. My dear, sometimes people will disagree with you.

[Wiz Imp]

105. About your "added Note"

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"About "This Will Hold". They are legit,"

You know this how? Because they say so?

Post by @erikveland

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They claimed:

Ex‑CIA whistleblower Adam Zarnowski alleges that in December 2024 the NSA secretly audited the friggin’ election and found Harris won by a landslide, but then buried it.

Reality:

There is no public or credible leak, no documents, no whistleblower chain of custody. NSA does cyber intel—not vote counting. No other sources back up this epic claim.

That sounds like the complete opposite of a "legit" organization.

Can you name one piece of real evidence they have presented that the election of "stolen"?

[Joinfortmill]

110. You are close to defaming me. I posted the opinion of a group called "This Will Hold".

Clearly you do not agree with them. That is fine, but the belligerent tone of your rhetoric is disturbing to me.

[Wiz Imp]

112. How am I defaming you? You said This will Hold is legitimate.

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I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion?

Here is a subreddit from a group convinced the 2024 election was stolen. Even they have banned posts from This Will Hold because they consider them disseminators of disinformation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1pr3pjs/did_5_fake_counties_steal_the_2024_election_for/

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Unfortunately there isn't anything in this video confirming that votes for a non-existent Burke County were tallied into the total votes for Florida. Florida 2024 results per county - Politico

This story about a non-existent county was first shared by ThisWill(NOT)Hold, which we, as a community in this sub, have come to the conclusion multiple times that they are disseminating disinformation. They previously tried to promulgate a false story of a security guard claiming to have conducted a national audit of the 2024 presidential election at the NSA without any credible evidence verifying these far-fetched claims.

[snot]

109. I'd just like to mention...

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Many DU'er's including me first found this forum after the 2004 Bush-Kerry election.

Prior to that election, we'd had the Bush-Gore debacle in 2000, in which exit polling had shown Gore significantly ahead, but the vote count became a near-tie (decided in Bush's favor by the S. Ct.).

That experience had prompted a couple of important changes: (1) a federal law was passed that encouraged precincts across the country to adopt electronic voting, and (2) the VNS Exit Poll System, relied on by major media networks to tabulate exit polling and project election results, underwent an extensive overhaul designed to make projected results more accurate.

These innovations were put into play in the Bush-Kerry election. That night, I stayed up 'til about 1am watching the results come in. When I went to bed, Kerry was 3 points ahead. When I got up, the news was that Bush had won by 3 points in a 6-point swing that took nearly everyone by surprise.

I checked the MSM for some explanation. None explained the swing, other than speculating that perhaps polled voters had suddenly started lying about how they'd voted.

"Adding to the chaos, one network news reporter has received a tip that mercenary hackers were hired to alter the code of a particular brand of machine so that every 10th vote for Candidate A was recorded as a vote for Candidate B. ..." (http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,714491,00.html )

Ever since we went electronic, exit polling has proved so unreliable that, last I knew, the media no longer bother with it. Until 2000, exit polls had always been remarkably accurate.

Whatever you think happened in whichever election, the facts are that (1) in every actual test that I'm aware of pitting such electronic voting or tabulation systems against skilled hackers, the hackers won, and computer experts without a profit motive or other interest in promoting electronic voting or tabulation almost uniformly agree it's impossible to fully secure electronic systems; (2) although fraud in elections using paper ballots is certainly possible, it's a lot easier for a single hacker to discreetly tamper with a electronic system with widespread results than it is for an army of helpers to stuff large numbers of paper ballot boxes across the country.

Since the discrepancies between exit polls and election results generally seemed to favor Republicans, the failure of Dem politicans to try to do something about this hazard made me start to lose confidence in the party.

Fwiw, I favor paper ballots and human tabulation. I know that most electronic voting systems now produce a paper print-out of your vote; but have you ever tried to proof one of those things, when the ballot included more than just a handful of candidates? I voted in our primary recently; there were dozens of offices in play and over a dozen propositions, and the print-out was several long pages of very fine print – there was no way I'd be able to read it without a magnifying glass – but proofing it would be the only way to be certain that the machine did not flip any of my votes. If I were just punching physical hole or blacking in check boxes, proofing would be either unnecessary or at least easier.

[Scrivener7]

116. This is a great post.

[ColoringFool]

111. FAKE.