'NATO Won't Help' is a Destructive Lie

[xocetaceans]

This video counters Trump's continual assertion that NATO would not help. It portrays the feelings that Trump is causing our former allies to have for us here in the US. It is soft-spoken but raw.

The MAGA GOP politicians who condone and support what Trump is doing to the US should all be voted out of office. They together with Trump are doing more long-lasting to damage the US than any potential enemy could hope to do.

It's sickening to know that we have alienated our former allies to this degree. Sure, politicians might be practical and someday in some distant future trust the US again, but the damage Trump is doing is much deeper than that: Trump is destroying the idea that the US is ultimately good and doing so down to the level of the ordinary citizen in these countries upon which we have depended.

Trump's (and by extension our) betrayal, threatening, and insulting of them will not be easily or soon forgotten.

[pat_k]

1. It's an effing Defensive alliance!!

Initiating a war of aggression, and than calling on NATO allies to join the fray, is insane.

If any member state does choose to help bail out the felon-in-chief, it will certainly NOT be out of any commitments made as part of the alliance.

https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/collective-defence-and-article-5

Collective defence and Article 5
Updated: 12 November 2025

Collective defence is NATO’s most fundamental principle. Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that an armed attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against them all. Since 1949, this unwavering pledge has bound together a group of like-minded countries from Europe and North America, which have committed themselves to protecting each other in a spirit of solidarity.

[xocetaceans]

3. Very true. To clarify my comment, "would not help" is meant to refer generally to NATO's willingness to help in the...

...case of a need for help in a defensive situation. Trump is insane and seems to expect NATO allies to fall to his side no matter what he does. The video I posted points out that ([inferred by me] under the circumstances that define what NATO is) the allies have most definitely helped though Trump refuses to acknowledge their sacrifices in defense of the alliance.

The damage Trump is causing is all sickening.

[pat_k]

4. Points well taken.

[markodochartaigh]

2. "...doing more long-lasting to damage the US than any potential enemy could hope to do."

Great empires are rarely conquered from without until they have first destroyed themselves from within.
Will and Ariel Durant

[pat_k]

5. Add to that, the abandonment of Ukraine..

... and the aid and comfort given to Russia.

As Stuart Stevens has pointed out, "if Ukraine falls, being able to drive from Warsaw to Paris will be history" (i.e., it would mean the collapse of European security and the end of the post-WWII rules-based order).

[xocetaceans]

6. Interesting quotation: I must admit my ignorance to the authors. However, here is a citation . . . (see pg. 665)

Epilogue

I. Why Rome Fell

. . .


A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars. Christian writers were keenly appreciative of this decay. Tertullian, about 200, heralded with pleasure the ipsa clausula wcM/i—literally the fin de siecle or end of an era—as probably a prelude to the destruction of the pagan world. Cyprian, towards 250, answering the charge that Christians were the source of the Empire’s misfortunes, attributed these to natural causes;

You must know that the world has grown old, and does not remain in its former vigor. It bears witness to its own decline. The rainfall and the sun’s warmth are both diminishing; the metals are nearly exhausted; the husbandman is failing in the fields.^

Barbarian inroads, and centuries of mining the richer veins, had doubtless lowered Rome’s supply of the precious metals. In central and southern Italy deforestation, erosion, and the neglect of irrigation canals by a diminishing peasantry and a disordered government had left Italy poorer than before. The cause, however, was no inherent exhaustion of the soil, no change in climate, but the negligence and sterility of harassed and discouraged men.

. . .

Durant, Will. Caesar and Christ: A History of Roman Civilization and of Christianity from their beginnings to A.D. 325. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1944.

Thanks for referring to Durant's quotation. It was very interesting finding that citation.