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sir pball

(5,339 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:24 PM 12 hrs ago

I read a small book in my AP French class in high school, and it's colored my look on the world ever since.

I've always remembered one line from it: "tout est pour le mieux, dans le meilleur des mondes possibles"–"everything happens for the best, in the best of all possible worlds"…

That book was called Candide, and it may be the single most important book of the Enlightenment, if not all of Western literature.

Needless to say, I don't agree with Pangloss (the guy who said "the best of all possible worlds" line).

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I read a small book in my AP French class in high school, and it's colored my look on the world ever since. (Original Post) sir pball 12 hrs ago OP
Perhaps it is referring to the multiverse, parallel worlds etc. lostincalifornia 12 hrs ago #1
No...you should read the book. sir pball 12 hrs ago #5
I wasn't being serious. lostincalifornia 7 hrs ago #23
One of my favorite books ever! n/t Greybnk48 12 hrs ago #2
If you want to be cheered up, listen to Leonard Bernstein conducting the Overture to Candide fierywoman 12 hrs ago #3
Funny and devilishly difficuly. soldierant 9 hrs ago #18
Do you know Kristin Chenoweth's version? fierywoman 9 hrs ago #22
In light of that line, I have concluded, cachukis 12 hrs ago #4
Have you read the book? sir pball 12 hrs ago #6
No. I came to my conclusion sans Voltaire. cachukis 11 hrs ago #9
Didn't Candide and the doctor dine on Cunegunde's (Sp?) buttock? Ponietz 12 hrs ago #7
I'm pretty sure the woman with one buttock soldierant 9 hrs ago #15
A friend's mother like to tell her kids (and me) that "everything happens for the best". greatauntoftriplets 12 hrs ago #8
what does that even mean, "everything happens for the best" Skittles 9 hrs ago #17
I agree. greatauntoftriplets 9 hrs ago #19
reminds me of people who are "always happy" Skittles 9 hrs ago #20
I always want to slug the people who argue that you have no reason to be unhappy about something. greatauntoftriplets 9 hrs ago #21
That quote belongs in the trash along with "Everything happens for a reason." raccoon 4 hrs ago #25
it sounds like religious nonsense Skittles 4 hrs ago #26
I think Pangloss was voicing an opinion edhopper 11 hrs ago #10
I believe it comes from Leibniz. Warren_Pointe 11 hrs ago #11
Yep, it's Leibniz, creator of calculus, binary arithmetic, statistics, and other stuff. hunter 11 hrs ago #12
Indeed we must (you made me smile.) soldierant 9 hrs ago #16
Voltaire was relentlessly satirizing nave optimism and shallow platitudes through the character... Ol Janx Spirit 10 hrs ago #13
As An English Major, I Wrote One Paper on "Candide." I Can't... ColoringFool 5 hrs ago #24
Funny you should mention Candide. The line that has stuck with me all these years was... PeaceWave 10 hrs ago #14

sir pball

(5,339 posts)
5. No...you should read the book.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:46 PM
12 hrs ago

It's short, and the English translations I've read are very good.

fierywoman

(8,571 posts)
3. If you want to be cheered up, listen to Leonard Bernstein conducting the Overture to Candide
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:36 PM
12 hrs ago

(which he wrote) -- this version (elsewhere on YT) has June Anderson singing Glitter and be Gay which is quite funny !

soldierant

(9,338 posts)
18. Funny and devilishly difficuly.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:23 AM
9 hrs ago

Voice teachers have been known to recommend that sopranos who have mastered or are mastering bel canto learn it.

I have a CD with excerpts from that performance. Jerry Hadley sang Candide. I miss him - his death was so tragic.

fierywoman

(8,571 posts)
22. Do you know Kristin Chenoweth's version?
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:48 AM
9 hrs ago

What a loss Hadley's death was.

The orchestra part has very hairy moments too!

cachukis

(3,901 posts)
4. In light of that line, I have concluded,
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:39 PM
12 hrs ago

everyone always does the best they can at the time they are doing it.
Have yet to find an argument against it.
The best of all worlds is always. Regardless.

Ponietz

(4,301 posts)
7. Didn't Candide and the doctor dine on Cunegunde's (Sp?) buttock?
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:52 PM
12 hrs ago

That didn’t shake Pangloss because it wasn’t his buttock

soldierant

(9,338 posts)
15. I'm pretty sure the woman with one buttock
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:15 AM
9 hrs ago

It was an older woman Candide ran across in South America while searching for El Dorado. (Cunegonde was still in Paris, a concubine shared by a Cardinal and a Rabbi, IIRC)

Leonard Bernstein and I forget now which two writers, but both very witty ones, made a musical out of it. Which wasn't a huge hit with the general public but us music and literature nerds love it. It was on TV once the Kirsten Chenoweth as Cunegonde, Paul Groves as Candide, Thomas Allen was in it - probably Pangloss - and the Old Lady with one buttock - wait for it - Patti Lupone. Wow.

greatauntoftriplets

(178,925 posts)
8. A friend's mother like to tell her kids (and me) that "everything happens for the best".
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 09:52 PM
12 hrs ago

I was never sure of that, but it fit her. A very kind woman, but a Republican. She died in 2011, and I often wonder what she would have made of drumpf.

My own mother hated him, dating to the early 1980s when he first came to national prominence. I've long felt the same way.

greatauntoftriplets

(178,925 posts)
19. I agree.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:24 AM
9 hrs ago

It sounded Pollyanna-ish to me. I can think of lots more instances when that expression is the farthest thing from the truth, and very few when it applies.

I grew up wondering why so many of our parents' generation spoke in platitudes. Never figured that one out. I try to limit them except for "Everything drumpf touches dies".

greatauntoftriplets

(178,925 posts)
21. I always want to slug the people who argue that you have no reason to be unhappy about something.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:36 AM
9 hrs ago

Or how hurt you've been. That's when my pale coloring betrays me, and I turn beet red. I do not have a poker face.

hunter

(40,653 posts)
12. Yep, it's Leibniz, creator of calculus, binary arithmetic, statistics, and other stuff.
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 10:29 PM
11 hrs ago

He had a very large garden.

Ol Janx Spirit

(999 posts)
13. Voltaire was relentlessly satirizing nave optimism and shallow platitudes through the character...
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 11:43 PM
10 hrs ago

...of Dr. Pangloss.

His teaching of "metaphysico-theologo-cosmolonigology" is meant to be highly ironic.

Having written many papers on Candide over the years as an English major, I've often thought about its relevance to our current situation, and--to me--it is from a bygone time when people believed that a perfect God created the world; therefore we live in the "best of all possible worlds". We do not suffer from that today IMO. If anything we may have a pessimism problem.

But it is an important work--one that I love.

We do have plenty of platitudes these days though....

PeaceWave

(3,280 posts)
14. Funny you should mention Candide. The line that has stuck with me all these years was...
Thu Mar 19, 2026, 11:48 PM
10 hrs ago

the very last one - "Il faut cultiver notre jardin." - "We must cultivate our garden." That has since become central to my means of coping with the world.

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