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marmar

(79,651 posts)
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 09:13 AM 15 hrs ago

Young conservatives' anger at women is taking a nihilistic turn


For Gen Z Republican men, sex is solitary
Young conservatives' anger at women is taking a nihilistic turn

By Amanda Marcotte
Senior Writer
Published March 20, 2026 6:45AM (EDT)


(Salon) James Fishback is almost certainly not going to win the GOP nomination for governor of Florida this year, but he’s become an object of media fascination all the same. In part it’s because Fishback holds such bigoted views that he makes the frontrunner, Rep. Byron Donalds, look moderate by comparison, even though the congressman said Black families were more stable under Jim Crow. Fishback peddles antisemitic conspiracy theories and hurls racist taunts at Donalds.

But what is really drawing attention to the 31-year-old Fishback is how he, while running far behind with older Republican voters, generates real enthusiasm with young conservatives. Michelle Goldberg of the New York Times described the packed audience at a Fishback event as “very young,” writing, “several attendees told me they were in high school.” Vanity Fair’s Dan Adler wrote that the long-shot candidate “has captured the most extreme attitudinal aspects of the Gen Z online right.” Fishback is polling at 32% with GOP voters aged 18-32, and his campaign events are larger and growing.

While he is drawing huge crowds, his audience is mostly young men and boys. A key to Fishback’s appeal merits only a fleeting mention in most profiles: his proposal to pass a 50% “sin tax” on OnlyFans creators.

....(snip)....

“Say what you want about Saudi Arabia,” he added. “There are no women hoeing out on the internet in Saudi Arabia.”

....(snip)....

“Gooning” — slang for excessive masturbation — has colonized the discourse of Gen Z Republican men, and it’s a subculture so consumed by misogynist anger that their conception of sexuality has become onanistic. ................(more)

https://www.salon.com/2026/03/20/for-gen-z-republican-men-sex-is-solitary/






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Young conservatives' anger at women is taking a nihilistic turn (Original Post) marmar 15 hrs ago OP
These dudes are dangerous. Many potential Elliot Rodger's out there. 617Blue 15 hrs ago #1
"Gooning"? I just learned something I wish I hadn't learned. Ocelot II 15 hrs ago #2
Same here. Ray Bruns 14 hrs ago #7
If the only sex you get (or want) can take place in your parents' basement Ocelot II 14 hrs ago #9
Also the porn is designed to make them feel inadequate IbogaProject 14 hrs ago #15
When I was a kid Goonies was a movie. CaptainTruth 14 hrs ago #20
A good one too MustLoveBeagles 12 hrs ago #44
Maybe they're fantasizing about angry men? BComplex 13 hrs ago #31
Well, one good outcome out of it Wednesdays 13 hrs ago #37
Made me laugh! But, yeah. Silver lining. Dave says 10 hrs ago #48
Natural selection at work OnionPatch 7 hrs ago #50
Women aren't things to be bangmaids. valleyrogue 15 hrs ago #3
Totally agree. ananda 13 hrs ago #39
yup Skittles 24 min ago #58
There is a subset of these idiots on youtube. Movies featuring women in action roles BlueWaveNeverEnd 15 hrs ago #4
They ruin discussion boards MustLoveBeagles 14 hrs ago #12
They lose their minds if a side character is a Black woman or lgbt BlueWaveNeverEnd 13 hrs ago #23
Or if a white character has any flaws 😉 MustLoveBeagles 13 hrs ago #25
The internet amplifies these attitudes. yardwork 15 hrs ago #5
Banning algorithms? I don't know if that is possible, but someone sets them up travelingthrulife 14 hrs ago #11
This here 👆 Hey Joe 12 hrs ago #46
Most of guys I knew started bands, got into art, interacted with other humans, took up a hobby/sport, chowder66 14 hrs ago #16
Yes, this. yardwork 13 hrs ago #26
Japanese sex robots Danascot 15 hrs ago #6
Their reaction: Wednesdays 13 hrs ago #38
True. Right-wingers prefer automated Barbie dolls. peppertree 12 hrs ago #43
You just know this guy is a perv. travelingthrulife 14 hrs ago #8
I just watched Louis Theroux's doc on the manosphere. These men are just dripping with stupid. Scrivener7 14 hrs ago #10
KNR and bookmarking for later. It is too early to start drinking. niyad 14 hrs ago #13
I'm getting ads on FB PCIntern 14 hrs ago #14
That could be that their algorithm sucks. EdmondDantes_ 14 hrs ago #18
Well... PCIntern 14 hrs ago #19
I set up a Facebook account for my dog years ago DBoon 13 hrs ago #32
That is very funny.... PCIntern 13 hrs ago #34
Best laugh I've had all day. 3catwoman3 2 hrs ago #55
One accidental misclick and you can pay for it for weeks. malthaussen 13 hrs ago #33
Years ago, when Google was just getting started, Wednesdays 12 hrs ago #40
I need a shower after reading that article leftstreet 14 hrs ago #17
Once again, toxic masculinity. CaptainTruth 13 hrs ago #21
Well lonely bird 13 hrs ago #22
There are no women hoeing out on the Internet in Saudi Arabia? ToxMarz 13 hrs ago #24
Men always try to regulate professions... Shipwack 13 hrs ago #27
Are you serious, this is a thing? Dan 13 hrs ago #28
By the time you see it on DU it's BEEN a thing. Long time. Maru Kitteh 1 hr ago #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Dan 1 hr ago #57
January 6th Goon Squad Sane1 13 hrs ago #29
For some reason he seems well-informed on the subject /nt bucolic_frolic 13 hrs ago #30
When Republicans support a leader who is a serial rapist dlk 13 hrs ago #35
Take off the virtual reality goggles and live in the real world. Mblaze 13 hrs ago #36
They got sum kinda problum.. nt Exp 12 hrs ago #41
His mother is Colombian. Most on the Right would consider him an Anchor Baby. peppertree 12 hrs ago #42
Women make a LOT of money on OnlyFans in a SAFE environment that's different from the pron industry New Breed Leader 12 hrs ago #45
I hate to say it genxlib 11 hrs ago #47
What's happening with so many boys and young men is very, very troubling. pat_k 7 hrs ago #49
In S.A., a wife is stoned after the husband alleges she committed adultary. John1956PA 6 hrs ago #51
"A subculture so consumed by misogynist anger that their conception of sexuality has become onanistic." sop 6 hrs ago #52
Poor incels MorbidButterflyTat 6 hrs ago #53
With their shitty attitudes, solo sex will be the only... 3catwoman3 2 hrs ago #54

Ocelot II

(130,373 posts)
2. "Gooning"? I just learned something I wish I hadn't learned.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 09:21 AM
15 hrs ago

Ultra-wanking, I guess. Masturbation as a hobby where sad little men can get off and hate women at the same time?

Ray Bruns

(6,305 posts)
7. Same here.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:19 AM
14 hrs ago

You know, in my day as a young man, we had to work hard to get laid. Paying for dinners, movies, and acting like a gentleman seemed to work.
Doesn’t sound like these guys want to put in the effort.

Ocelot II

(130,373 posts)
9. If the only sex you get (or want) can take place in your parents' basement
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:23 AM
14 hrs ago

in front of your computer, at least you don't have to take a shower and get dressed. You probably don't do that anyhow.

IbogaProject

(5,852 posts)
15. Also the porn is designed to make them feel inadequate
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:43 AM
14 hrs ago

That is on top of there being nothing in how two people csn get to know each other via converstation. Pornography is set up to be addictive just like gambling anf alcohol and does this by playing on adverse psychology. So scary, Reich wrote about how sexual repression was a core element that feeds fascism.

Wednesdays

(22,505 posts)
37. Well, one good outcome out of it
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:56 AM
13 hrs ago

...is that it vastly reduces their chances to reproduce.

valleyrogue

(2,696 posts)
3. Women aren't things to be bangmaids.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 09:28 AM
15 hrs ago

Many if not most men think they are. THAT is the problem. They think women are their function, to be used by men.

It is a point of view by men all across the political spectrum and exacerbated by social media.

ananda

(35,051 posts)
39. Totally agree.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:00 PM
13 hrs ago

Just about every tv show these days
completely sexualizes women as though
playing out male fantasies all the time.

Skittles

(171,487 posts)
58. yup
Sat Mar 21, 2026, 12:37 AM
24 min ago

and all those so-called "left behind" young men are pathetic morons who just cannot handle the world not revolving around them

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,091 posts)
4. There is a subset of these idiots on youtube. Movies featuring women in action roles
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 09:39 AM
15 hrs ago

Sends them into hysterics.

They can only accept the save_the_earth figure as a white male.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,151 posts)
12. They ruin discussion boards
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:27 AM
14 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)

With their neverending whining about woke.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,151 posts)
25. Or if a white character has any flaws 😉
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:12 AM
13 hrs ago

I've seen classic movies that they would accuse of wokeness.

yardwork

(69,297 posts)
5. The internet amplifies these attitudes.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 09:48 AM
15 hrs ago

There have always been nihilistic violent resentful people. The internet lets them find one another and wallow in their resentments. Their online communities justify and reinforce their unhealthy attitudes about life.

It's very difficult to turn off. I don't know what the solution is.

travelingthrulife

(5,119 posts)
11. Banning algorithms? I don't know if that is possible, but someone sets them up
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:26 AM
14 hrs ago

so we should be able to dismantle them.

Normal people are maliciously being directed in very toxic rabbit holes where they are manipulated with false information and turned into MAGA types.

Hey Joe

(586 posts)
46. This here 👆
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:43 PM
12 hrs ago

If only there was a way to do this.
Unfortunately there is waaaay too much money in mindfucking people with algorithms which degrade and destroy society to outlaw them.

chowder66

(12,205 posts)
16. Most of guys I knew started bands, got into art, interacted with other humans, took up a hobby/sport,
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:48 AM
14 hrs ago

focused on studies, loved women, supported women and most importantly tried....they just tried... and had pretty good coping skills if they were rejected. Some coped better than others but they wouldn't give up trying and those that did have trouble had enough friends, both male and female that would help set them up with someone.

travelingthrulife

(5,119 posts)
8. You just know this guy is a perv.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:23 AM
14 hrs ago

Who are those women 'hoeing' out to? Men? Maybe men who visit Only Fans regularly and then feel guilty? So guilty you blame the women instead of facing your demons.

Scrivener7

(59,384 posts)
10. I just watched Louis Theroux's doc on the manosphere. These men are just dripping with stupid.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:24 AM
14 hrs ago

And the ones who follow them are pitiful, sad cretins.

PCIntern

(28,314 posts)
14. I'm getting ads on FB
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:34 AM
14 hrs ago

For a sophisticated mechanical battery-powered male masturbation device.

1. This is troublesome
2. Says something about my Fb algorithm. 🥺

EdmondDantes_

(1,733 posts)
18. That could be that their algorithm sucks.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:55 AM
14 hrs ago

Instagram keep giving me ads for sports bras and I don't require those being a guy. Maybe I'm supposed to buy them for my friends.

PCIntern

(28,314 posts)
19. Well...
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 10:57 AM
14 hrs ago

I gotta confess that I’m or entirely innocent of transgressions-of -purchasing over the years.

DBoon

(24,942 posts)
32. I set up a Facebook account for my dog years ago
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:39 AM
13 hrs ago

She kept getting ads for lesbian dating sites.

malthaussen

(18,559 posts)
33. One accidental misclick and you can pay for it for weeks.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:43 AM
13 hrs ago

I've accidentally clicked on a video or advertisement while trying to scroll down (it only takes a slight slip of the cursor), and the algorithm on You Tube or Facebook immediately and persistently floods my feed with related content. Since some of those things on the sidebars are really marginal in more than one way, the results can be hilarious.

-- Mal

Wednesdays

(22,505 posts)
40. Years ago, when Google was just getting started,
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:04 PM
12 hrs ago

I had a puppy that I was trying to housebreak. So I asked Google for "solutions for dogs that poop in the house."

Well, for weeks afterwards, Google gave me sidebar ads for "Pooping Dogs."

lonely bird

(2,916 posts)
22. Well
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:02 AM
13 hrs ago

I certainly have no use for their nonsense but I will say that the American society has damaged plenty of people. From exceptionalism to ridiculous so-called gender roles to hyper macho bullshit spewed by “influencers” to politicians that pander to religionist nut jobs we have a cesspool of dangerous idiocy that can and has washed over many.

We have a mental healthcare crisis in this country. I would put the percentage of the population that needs help at 80% minimum. This would be for a range of different things but including young men who we see like the guy in the OP.

ToxMarz

(2,909 posts)
24. There are no women hoeing out on the Internet in Saudi Arabia?
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:04 AM
13 hrs ago

Let's talk about what the men of Saudi Arabia are up to.

The best news here is that these losers aren't passing on their DNA.

Shipwack

(3,057 posts)
27. Men always try to regulate professions...
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:22 AM
13 hrs ago

… that are dominated by women.

1) Prostitution
2) Midwifery
3) Only Fans

I’m sure I’m forgetting others.

Maru Kitteh

(31,689 posts)
56. By the time you see it on DU it's BEEN a thing. Long time.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:35 PM
1 hr ago

This really started with 4chan. That’s ancient internet history now.



Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #56)

Sane1

(214 posts)
29. January 6th Goon Squad
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:23 AM
13 hrs ago

This gives a new meaning to the Goon squad that stormed DC on January 6th!

dlk

(13,237 posts)
35. When Republicans support a leader who is a serial rapist
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 11:49 AM
13 hrs ago

And refuse to prosecute any of the traffickers and rapists in the Epstein files, they are a clear danger to the women of America.

This goes far beyond being a party of women-haters.

peppertree

(23,300 posts)
42. His mother is Colombian. Most on the Right would consider him an Anchor Baby.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:09 PM
12 hrs ago

The irony, however, is no doubt lost on young James.

New Breed Leader

(925 posts)
45. Women make a LOT of money on OnlyFans in a SAFE environment that's different from the pron industry
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 12:33 PM
12 hrs ago

that's why this incel wants to dismantle it

genxlib

(6,127 posts)
47. I hate to say it
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 01:05 PM
11 hrs ago

But the COVID lock down was not kind to some people.

Most of GenZ was somewhere between 10-20 years old when they went into the bubble.

Social media and modern politics are to blame for this. But Covid made them sitting ducks for the manipulation that comes from algorithms praying on loneliness.

I offer no excuses or sympathy because plenty of people went through it without becoming assholes. But it certainly had to be a factor. There is just too much symmetry that self-isolation is the preferred outcome for somebody who's pathology was baked in isolation.

pat_k

(13,317 posts)
49. What's happening with so many boys and young men is very, very troubling.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 05:51 PM
7 hrs ago
https://www.profgalloway.com/notes-on-being-a-man/

Back in November, Scott Galloway wrote a piece with some truly frighting numbers.

...
Five years ago my advocacy for young men sparked a hostile response. Today society is ready to have a productive dialogue, rejecting the far right’s attempts to send non-white people and all women back to the 1950s and the left’s belief that young men don’t have problems but are the problem. This isn’t a zero-sum game. We can build on the gains women have registered over the past three decades and ensure there’s room for boys and young men in the conversation. Democrats are starting to tackle the crisis, but we can’t rely on prominent party leaders to drive the change. We can count on the tech industry, however, to keep supporting their massive valuations by connecting profits with the sequestration and enragement of young men. Men ages 20 to 30 now spend less time outside than prison inmates.

...
. I wondered why what was happening to boys and young men was in fact happening and how I could raise my sons in a world where they — and males of any age — thrive.
...
The data around boys and young men is overwhelming. Seldom in recent memory has there been a cohort that’s fallen farther, faster. Why? First, boys face an educational system biased against them — with brains that mature later than girls’, they almost immediately fall behind their female classmates. Many grow up without male role models, including teachers — fewer men teach K–12 than there are women working in STEM fields — with Black and Hispanic school instructors especially underrepresented.
...
People under the age of forty are 24% less wealthy. The deliberate transfer of wealth from the young to the old in the United States over the past century has led to unaffordable and indefensible costs for education and housing and skyrocketing student debt, all of which directly affect young men. It’s why twenty-five-year-olds today make less than their parents and grandparents did at the same age, while carrying debt loads unimaginable to earlier generations. Neither the minimum nor the median wage has kept pace with inflation or productivity gains, while housing costs have outpaced both. As the costs of college have soared beyond the reach of most families, many of the manufacturing jobs that didn’t require a college degree and were often a ticket to the middle class for (mostly) men have been offshored. A prohibitive real estate market is a contributing factor to why 60% of young men between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four live with their parents and 1 in 5 still live with their parents at age thirty. Stuck and unable to afford greater economic opportunities in nearby cities, they find the same crush and collision of density, stimulation, humanity, creativity, eroticism, and conversation that urban areas offer on their phones instead. In Manhattan, a four-hundred-square-foot apartment costs $3,000 a month. In its stead is a seventeen-square-inch mobile studio apartment costing roughly $42 a month, served up by AT&T, T- Mobile, or Verizon

Meanwhile, algorithmically generated content on social media contributes to—and profits from—young men’s growing social isolation, boredom, and ignorance. With the deepest-pocketed firms on the planet trying to convince young men they can have a reasonable facsimile of life on a screen, many grow up without acquiring the skills to build social capital or create wealth. The percentage of young men aged twenty to twenty-four who are neither in school nor working has tripled since 1980. Workforce participation among men has fallen below 90%, caused by a lack of well-paying jobs, wage stagnation, disabilities, a mismatch of skills and/or training, and falling demand for jobs traditionally held by prime-age men.
...
Here’s a terrifying stat: 45% of men ages eighteen to twenty-five have never approached a woman in person. And without the guardrails of a relationship, young men behave as if they have … no guardrails.

...






John1956PA

(4,945 posts)
51. In S.A., a wife is stoned after the husband alleges she committed adultary.
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 06:13 PM
6 hrs ago

Our military personnel were exposed to such public stonings during the First Gulf War.

Such a barbaric world.

sop

(18,476 posts)
52. "A subculture so consumed by misogynist anger that their conception of sexuality has become onanistic."
Fri Mar 20, 2026, 06:15 PM
6 hrs ago

Put simply, a bunch of pathetic angry little boys enjoying a circle jerk because no woman will have anything to do with them.

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