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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAdults Lose Skills to AI. Children Never Build Them. (Psychology Today, 3/22)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202603/adults-lose-skills-to-ai-children-never-build-themI spent a year treating cognitive offloading as a single phenomenon. I no longer think it is one. There are two fundamentally different events hiding behind the same behavior.
An adult choosing to offload a task they understand is making a tradeoff between decreasing effort and increasing efficiency. The capacity to do that task independently exists. The choice is deliberate. The atrophy is (probably) recoverable.
A child offloading a task they've never learned to perform is not making a choice. They are skipping a developmental step that was never developed. The capacity doesn't exist yet. The foreclosure may be permanentand because they have no independent baseline, they cannot recognize what they're losing.
The downside of adult offloading is people get less sharp. The downside of adolescents growing up delegating to AI is a generation that was never sharp to begin with. Protecting the space our children need to develop the foundational skills of thinking is now a non-negotiable.
From his earlier article on AI use harming students:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-algorithmic-mind/202512/why-kids-find-cognitive-offloading-irresistible
AI-dependent students lose the ability to explain their reasoning journey. They can produce proficient work but cannot articulate why they chose particular evidence, what confused them initially, or how they worked through competing interpretations. When questioned, they repeat conclusions but cannot reconstruct the thinking that led them there.
Encountering difficulty becomes anxiety. Students cannot spend 10 minutes wrestling with a challenging problem without external input or seeking assistance.
They lose capacity for extended reasoning chains. Multistep arguments that require Steps 1 through 4 to understand Step 5 become impossible. Complex problems requiring sustained reasoning produce the same collapse patterns that recent research identified in AI systems themselves.
And critically, students are unable to detect their own confusion or knowledge gaps. They'll submit work they cannot defend, express surprise if questioning reveals gaps in their logic, and often cannot remember what caused this confusion in the first place. Self-monitoring of the learning process begins to atrophy entirely.
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Students are becoming aware that AI use is bad for learning. Yesterday the University of Pennsylvania's student newspaper published a very blunt editorial about that, which I posted here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221114177 . The most striking sentence in the editiorial: "AI cannot coexist with education it can only degrade it."
And if anyone here thinks AI use is so inevitable that everyone has to use it (which is AI industry propaganda to sell hallucinating chatbots) and so it doesn't matter if kids don't learn anything besides how to use AI because that's what they need most, I have to point out that people who lack critical thinking skills are sitting ducks for those aiming propaganda and sales pitches at them. Especially those controlling the AI, like the AI bros now pandering to Trump.
And I have to add as well that it isn't only children who learn, or who need to learn. Adults need to as well, especially to keep their brains healthy as they get older.
AI will also interfere with those adults learning new information and skills, in addition to leading to cognitive atrophy, where they lose previously acquired knowledge and skills - cognitive atrophy that might be reversible, but might not be.
SheltieLover
(80,172 posts)TY for sharing.
highplainsdem
(61,886 posts)It's important to know the risks with AI, and there are so many of them.
erronis
(23,743 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 22, 2026, 03:29 PM - Edit history (1)
It's really hard to evade.
I use Kagi (kagi.com) which has tried to stay away from that type of information interference (my term), but it also allows the feature to be easily turned on. Fortunately they'll show their sources and have lots of ways to tailor the search and the presentation.
Another highly-customizable search engine is SearXNGwhich does require some technical setup.
SheltieLover
(80,172 posts)Raastan
(283 posts)highplainsdem
(61,886 posts)Wild blueberry
(8,279 posts)Thank you.
GiqueCee
(4,141 posts)... is the ability to write in cursive, or to even read it! Writing is an essential element in reinforcing retention of new information. Typing is not an acceptable substitute. Writing is also important in developing fine motor skills.
According to my wife, who's been a Special Ed teacher for 30+ years, there are also a disturbing number of kids who can't tell time on an analog clock!
GenThePerservering
(3,308 posts)I'm no youngun. IMHO, cursive is far outweighed by the rot AI is creating.
GiqueCee
(4,141 posts)... since I learned to write, I've developed my own style of cursive, but at least I was taught the basics. Schools now aren't even bothering to teach the skill, and while I agree that AI is fast becoming a disaster with training wheels made of other people's intellectual property, and NO guardrails for its implementation, the failure to teach children something basic as how to write will have serious consequences as well.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,675 posts)Quick - when you make a phone call, do you turn the dial clockwise, or counter-clockwise?
erronis
(23,743 posts)If anyone remembers this.
Say I wanted to dial 4-1-1:
- 4 quick clicks in succession, pause
- 1 click, pause
- 1 click, pause.
And then there were the phone tone generators (blue boxes) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box
The widespread ability to blue box, once limited to just a few isolated individuals exploring the telephone network, developed into a subculture.[10][11] Famous phone phreaks such as "Captain Crunch", Mark Bernay, and Al Bernay used blue boxes to explore the various "hidden codes" that could not be dialled by a standard telephone.[citation needed]
Some of the more famous pranksters were Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs, founders of Apple Computer.[13] On one occasion, Wozniak dialed Vatican City and identified himself as Henry Kissinger (imitating Kissinger's German accent) and asked to speak to the Pope (who was sleeping at the time).[14][13] Wozniak said in 1986:[15]
I was so pure. Now I realize others were not as pure, they were just trying to make money. But then I thought we were all pure.
Jobs later told his biographer that if it had not been for Wozniak's blue boxes, "there wouldn't have been an Apple."[16]
GiqueCee
(4,141 posts)You actually have a rotary dial phone squirreled away somewhere?!!?
Clockwise, by the way. When we first moved up to Berkshire County I was 10 (I'll turn 79 in a few months!), and we had a party line, and no direct dial. Western Mass was one of the last places in New England to get direct dial. Prior to that, we had phone numbers like 1205W. And Ma Bell dictated whether or not you could have an extended cord on your phone. There were no color options; it was black or nuthin'.
Damn! All of a sudden I feel OLD!
progree
(12,940 posts)at least twice as fast as writing print. No lifting the pen after each letter.
It's not as important as before, but I still take notes at home, watching something like Frontline, with a combination of typing on the computer, and writing cursive (sometimes combined with print). Hand-writing for short things, typing for a long sentence.
I don't always have a computer with me when I need to make notes (and no way am I as fast on a phone as in cursive).
Several states have started requiring cursive instruction again in school.
Ilikepurple
(630 posts)Almost every argument I read starts with the claims that cursive being lost is a developmental negative yet supports the view on studies that compare typing to handwriting. It is not clear from studies that cursive has cognitive benefits over manuscript. The focus on cursive seems to be more of a political rather than scientific point. Ive not settled on my opinion where I stand on this matter because like virtually all of society, I am woefully underinformed. I do believe its fairly uncontroversial that handwriting has cognitive benefits, but it seems that the focus on cursive is more keyed on kids these days kinds of emotions rather than actual science. Like learning any social skill, there are going to be benefits to the teaching of cursive, but Im still waiting for proof that maintaining the average baseline of cognitive function is one of them.
GiqueCee
(4,141 posts)... and 30+ years of experience in the field. Her observations are anecdotal in some respects, but supported by her long experience and numerous studies, particularly regarding fine motor skill development, and retention. I'll go with her knowledge, and my own experience as a parent, though our sons are both in their 40's now.
SheltieLover
(80,172 posts)Ford_Prefect
(8,594 posts)Who will service the ultraclass tech bros and religious elites. Legal rights won't exist under the new regime as it will all be determined by pay to play rules.
Them as has the gold, or crypto, will make and enforce the rules.
Stargazer99
(3,512 posts)They don't want you to learn critical thinking or cursive writing because you might reason and mess up their plans
BidenRocks
(3,223 posts)I grew up with libraries. The card files with the Dewey Decimal System and the different areas to explore.
I could find anything! If not, there was always the librarian.
Now it's Google and to a tiny extent, AI searches.
It made the search quicker but the result was the same. Information found.
It helps to understand a library to understand how to slow down and take time to comprehend.
It's the atmosphere. Quite different from a server room.
twodogsbarking
(18,639 posts)nuxvomica
(14,075 posts)It seemed to me that with cars nowadays most people don't grow up learning how they work because the engines are so computerized. It used to be kids grew up having to understand at least the basics of auto mechanics. That creates a loss in problem-solving generally. Then I was thinking that when cars became common people probably bemoaned the lack of skill in dealing with horses, a skill that has a lot of side effects, like learning when to be gentle with other beings. With AI, however, these skill losses can be wide-ranging and nearly complete. The good news is there's a trend among Gen-Z'ers to revisit old activities, like needlepoint, as a substitute for continuous screen time. Learning practical skills, even if only to kill time, will come in handy when some apocalyptic event brings down the grid and we're all looking for blacksmiths and weavers.
BattleRow
(2,392 posts)Vegetable gardening is more attractive on many levels..especially container plantings.
mwmisses4289
(4,022 posts)BattleRow
(2,392 posts)Years ago,I got very optimistic and tried growing tomatoes
Well,the wildlife I had to contend with were caterpillars.
Then the mold started and that's when I finished my agrarian efforts.
BUT,hope springs eternal..I'm going to try once more...with feeling.
SheltieLover
(80,172 posts)nuxvomica
(14,075 posts)I saw some horror movie recently where young folks were trying to escape a killer and they found a rotary phone but it was of no use to them. I half-expected the murderer to demand they write him a check to save their lives and, once again, they would be out of luck.
FakeNoose
(41,443 posts)I know it's too late for the parents in their 20s and 30s, However they need to be told the truth ... they were taught to pass tests (mostly multiple choice tests) and that's how they got through school. They were cheated by a faulty system that operated on a discredited theory.
It was a horrible shortcut that never should have happened ... and it's too late to fix those mistakes. But those parents need to understand that their own children don't deserve to be short-changed. It's not too late to fix this, if we all have an honest re-evaluation of the entire educational process.
How many believe this will ever happen, show of hands ....
littlemissmartypants
(33,188 posts)mwmisses4289
(4,022 posts)They look for free and low cost activities for their kids to do, and a lot of them travel, even if just to other areas of the states.
littlemissmartypants
(33,188 posts)The author would have done well to explain by definition and examples the meaning of cognitive offloading in the very first sentence.
AI is a tool. Just like a hammer isn't recommended for brain surgery, artificial intelligence (emphasizing artificial) is simply a tool.
Thank gawd, the brain is plastic, and by that, I don't mean made of hydrocarbons. However, with the amount of microplastic that we've unleashed into the environment, it may soon be.
That's another exacerbating concern for cognitive health and development. There is never one single thing to use as a scapegoat in any dilemma. The big picture, the gestalt view, is the best.
I'm happy to see this thoughtful reflection on our digital new world order. As with everything, there will be winners and losers. However, as usual, children often fall in the latter category.
Thanks again for sharing this, highplainsdem.
❤️
ancianita
(43,302 posts)Silicon Valley corporate owners, venture capitalist investors, and engineers don't let their children in front of screens any earlier in life than age 17 or 18. They know these things:
Addiction and Brain Chemistry:
Tech leaders view addictive technologies as "digital heroin," designed to trigger the brain's pleasure centers similarly to drugs, making them hazardous for developing minds.
Mental Health and Anxiety:
Excessive screen use is associated with a growing mental health crisis, leading to increased anxiety, depression, and decreased self-esteem among children.
Reduced Attention Spans:
Digital devices and, in particular, short-form content are linked to shorter attention spans and weakened cognitive abilities.
Lack of Creativity and Interaction:
Many tech elite prefer Waldorf schools, which ban screens, believing they inhibit creativity, interpersonal skills, and physical activity.
Engineering Behind the Scenes:
As creators of this tech, executives know that features like infinite scroll, notification badges, and autoplay are specifically designed to maximize user engagementessentially keeping kids hooked at the expense of their development.
Thank you, highplainsdem!
debsy
(922 posts)Even in DU, numerous links point to posts made by people who use AI to understand what is happening in the world. There is no critical thinking, reading, or research associated with these posts and the result is garbage out. People repost and share this garbage and we are left with a stinking pile of crap that nobody can make sense of.
lonely bird
(2,920 posts)AI and prediction markets (read: bets on anything) have two things in common. They are both examples of just because you can do something that doesnt mean you should and libertarianism.
Buddyzbuddy
(2,539 posts)Like any new technology, we can find ourselves relying on it too easily.
For example: how many of us have found ourselves getting a little lazy to spell correctly because we rely on spell check or not remembering a phone number that we call regularly because we dial it up from a name on our phone or a single digit. Don't get me started on calculators.
How many people under 40 can use a map or know what a Thomas guide is because they're 100% reliant on a GPS. I love to look at a map when planning road trips.
My mom swore she wouldn't use a microwave or a clothes dryer until I bought them for her.
My point is, technology can be useful but like with anything we use we have to sometimes force ourselves to be a little uncomfortable. Instead of a dryer, we might hang an item to drip dry if we don't want it to fade. When reheating food that we want a crispy dry top layer on we might use an oven instead of a microwave, unless it's a convection/microwave
.
When I taught my daughter to drive, I taught her to drive in reverse before driving forward, for several hours over separate days and it bothered her but now she really appreciates that skill. Sure, it caused her discomfort, at first. Anybody can drive forward and for those that can't or shouldn't we now have self driving cars which I wouldn't be caught dead in.
Technology in moderation can be good but AI should never be relied upon 100%, again IMHO.
Initech
(108,641 posts)And so are all the AI bros.
Ms. Toad
(38,558 posts)AI-dependent students lose the ability to explain their reasoning journey. They can produce proficient work but cannot articulate why they chose particular evidence, what confused them initially, or how they worked through competing interpretations. When questioned, they repeat conclusions but cannot reconstruct the thinking that led them there.
Encountering difficulty becomes anxiety. Students cannot spend 10 minutes wrestling with a challenging problem without external input or seeking assistance.
They lose capacity for extended reasoning chains. Multistep arguments that require Steps 1 through 4 to understand Step 5 become impossible. Complex problems requiring sustained reasoning produce the same collapse patterns that recent research identified in AI systems themselves.
And critically, students are unable to detect their own confusion or knowledge gaps. They'll submit work they cannot defend, express surprise if questioning reveals gaps in their logic, and often cannot remember what caused this confusion in the first place. Self-monitoring of the learning process begins to atrophy entirely.
And in the other students I've taught over the years. The path to diminished ability to perform complex tasks was well on its way before AI came along.
LisaM
(29,617 posts)I am an English major, but when I was in college (mid 80s) we were supposed to take some classes that were in a different discipline from our major so I took computer programming classes. I took BASIC, Fortran, and COBOL.
There was a pre-requisite for the first class, which was Logic 101 and which was offered through the Philosophy department.
I cannot stress enough how this has helped me. First, the class in Logic, which I would never have taken otherwise. It was a solid foundation and I learned Boolean logic.
Next, the programming classes (I really loved Fortran) which have been immeasurably useful over the years with the various software programs I have used at work. I was always able to understand the underlying principles of filtering data, incrementing variant, etc., no matter what software program management capriciously chose for us to use and often ended up training the other users at my jobs.
I work in trademark law, and searching and reporting are huge tools that we use. I don't know that I am naturally good at this, but my programming background helped a lot.
I've been at this for a while and increasingly, I see new users who simply do not grasp the back end of what they are doing. They all want to push a button for quick results. There are programs that do this now, but they often miss things. I remember when one company introduced a product that did design searching using OCR. The baby lawyers loved this product, but I was able to quickly prove it had missed results through the shortcuts. I kept that example around for years (and sent it to the search company so that they could improve their product). It gets worse with each batch of new employees.
I am not saying this to toot my own horn or to dismiss younger employees as lazy or stupid. This is how they have learned things. The underlying principles hold no value for them because they don't even know they are there. I am really glad it wasn't that way for me.