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BeyondGeography

(41,070 posts)
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 06:50 PM 12 hrs ago

NYT: Israel Thought It Could Spur Rebellion Inside Iran. That Hasn't Happened.

As the United States and Israel prepared to go to war with Iran, the head of Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence service, went to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with a plan. Within days of the war’s beginning, said David Barnea, the Mossad chief, his service would likely be able to galvanize the Iranian opposition — igniting riots and other acts of rebellion that could even lead to the collapse of Iran’s government. Mr. Barnea also presented the proposal to senior Trump administration officials during a visit to Washington in mid-January.

Mr. Netanyahu adopted the plan. Despite doubts about its viability among senior American officials and some officials in other Israeli intelligence agencies, both he and President Trump seemed to embrace an optimistic outlook. Killing Iran’s leaders at the outset of the conflict, followed by a series of intelligence operations intended to encourage regime change, they thought, could lead to a mass uprising that might bring about a swift end to the war. “Take over your government: It will be yours to take,” Mr. Trump told Iranians in his initial address at the war’s start, after saying they should first seek shelter from the bombing.

…Three weeks into the war, an Iranian uprising has not yet materialized. American and Israeli intelligence assessments have concluded that the theocratic Iranian government is weakened but intact, and that widespread fear of Iran’s military and police forces has dampened prospects both for nascent rebellion in the country and for ethnic militias outside of Iran to launch cross-border incursions.

The belief that Israel and the United States could help instigate widespread revolt was a foundational flaw in the preparations for a war that has spread across the Middle East. Instead of imploding from within, Iran’s government has dug in and escalated the conflict, striking blows and counterblows against military bases, cities and ships around the Persian Gulf, and against vulnerable oil and gas installations.

…Since Mr. Trump’s first speech, American officials have largely abandoned speaking publicly about the prospects for revolt inside of Iran, yet some remain hopeful that one could materialize. Though his rhetoric has become more tempered, Mr. Netanyahu still says the American and Israeli air campaign will be aided by forces on the ground. “You can’t do revolutions from the air,” he said during a news conference on Thursday. He added: “There has to be a ground component as well. There are many possibilities for this ground component, and I take the liberty of not sharing with you all those possibilities.” Mr. Netanyahu also added that “it is too early to tell if the Iranian people will exploit the conditions we are creating for them to take to the streets. I hope that will be the case. We are working toward that end, but ultimately, it will depend only on them.”

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NYT: Israel Thought It Could Spur Rebellion Inside Iran. That Hasn't Happened. (Original Post) BeyondGeography 12 hrs ago OP
This is what I have always assumed D_Master81 11 hrs ago #1
10,000+ years of history must never be overlooked malaise 11 hrs ago #2
Well, there ya go. What kept you from doing that before? haele 10 hrs ago #3
That's a lie. They saw that thousands were machine gunned flamingdem 10 hrs ago #4
Great. So the senior partner in this shitshow (in terms of brains) was just as delusional as our side. hatrack 9 hrs ago #5
I heard commentary on a podcast last week that ... Whiskeytide 9 hrs ago #6

D_Master81

(2,542 posts)
1. This is what I have always assumed
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 07:18 PM
11 hrs ago

I’ve been thinking that this war seems so ill thought out because Trump and Israel thought if they took out the Ayatollah the resistance would rise up. When that didn’t happen they didn’t have much of a secondary plan other than blow up a bunch of Iranian military stuff.

haele

(15,370 posts)
3. Well, there ya go. What kept you from doing that before?
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 08:06 PM
10 hrs ago

Strategic planning by smart people who told always told you "Don't get directly involved with an enemy country's internal conflicts"...
Because if you do it wrong, they're going to stop fighting each other and start fighting you.
Strategic planning by AI and greed got you into this, bubbie.
And now you're stuck.

flamingdem

(40,877 posts)
4. That's a lie. They saw that thousands were machine gunned
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 08:21 PM
10 hrs ago

They (Bibi) knew that would never happen.

By the way I saw on Tweeter that Anthony Blinken said Bibi has recordings
of Epstein and Trump. That's one source of Kompromat.

hatrack

(64,821 posts)
5. Great. So the senior partner in this shitshow (in terms of brains) was just as delusional as our side.
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 09:45 PM
9 hrs ago

Just fucking . . . super!!

Whiskeytide

(4,654 posts)
6. I heard commentary on a podcast last week that ...
Sun Mar 22, 2026, 09:50 PM
9 hrs ago

… they were too late. All of the potential uprising’s leaders were killed in the streets in the months preceding the attack.

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