If it was so easy for Musk to rig the last election for Trump

[edhopper]

why is Trump and the GOP trying so hard to stop people from voting in the next one? Couldn't he just fix that one too?

Just thinking about this logically.

[rampartd]

1. why not do both?

[edhopper]

9. Could be

I am open to good evidence of the rigging. So far we have not seen enough to support that.

[Blues Heron]

21. Trump admitted it for one, I think that is a huge smoking gun

[dlilafae]

32. Yep!

https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-trump-admits-they-rigged-the-election/5150039. And, it turns out Musk was involved in illegal voting activity in Georgia: https://newrepublic.com/post/206857/georgia-voter-fraud-elon-musk

[stopdiggin]

33. Of course! Because of the iron clad veracity that we find in all of his pronouncements ....

Nailed it !!!

[Blues Heron]

37. They are corrupt , wealthy, and highly motivated. It would be surprising if they didn't try to steal it.

[stopdiggin]

39. 'Would not be surprising' - - doe NOT pass for evidence, in any kind of fact based system

[Blues Heron]

40. And then we have the confession

[stopdiggin]

43. from the man that lies as often as he takes breath ....

The absurdity of taking anything like that as meaningful ...

[Blues Heron]

44. It's enough to take a serious look at the tabulators he specifically mentioned

Just like Europe is taking his threats about invading Greenland seriously.

[EdmondDantes_]

34. Other things Trump has claimed

He won the 2020 election.
He won the popular vote in 2016.
He would end the war in Ukraine on day 1.
That immigrants are eating pets.
Obama wasn't a natural born citizen.

He's not a man who tells the truth.

[Blues Heron]

41. He loves to brag though

[EdmondDantes_]

46. But he lies when he does that too

Biggest economy ever.
How many wars has he claimed to have ended?
His inauguration crowd size.
His weight and health.

[Blues Heron]

47. Sometimes it's worse- "I'll just tear down the facade of the East Wing" next day BOOM! whole thing gone

He’s a slippery rat which means everything he claims should be checked out. Giving him a pass on this doesn’t make a lot of sense.

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Or as the other war criminal said, Fool me once, wont get fooled again.

[Chasstev365]

7. The Supreme Court 2000, Ohio 2004, and Karl "I have THE Math" Rove.

The above helped get us to where we are at.
.

[edhopper]

10. 2000 was an open steal

Ohio 2004 is very suspicious. I agree.

[Blue Full Moon]

19. Don't forget Triad.

The company went into Highland county's EVMs and changed the votes. It went to trial and Bush jr. put a gag order on the case.

[rso]

3. Musk

Agree, there’s no actual evidence of the 2024 Election being rigged. With Biden appointees being in charge of all the intelligence, cyber security and federal law-enforcement agencies prior, during and after the Election, it’s impossible for Musk to have pulled it off without someone detecting something.

[displacedvermoter]

6. But there is evidence he spent

hundreds of millions of dollars in support of the Trump campaign, unchecked money used for what, I don't think we know.

[edhopper]

15. But no evidence

it was to rig voting machines.

[displacedvermoter]

23. No, but unfettered ability to spend money

to rig polls, flood markets with attack ads, pay for dirty email campaigns, etc. I never thought he was rigging voting machines, frankly. But there are many ways to cheat, to buy candidates, and generally pollute the election atmosphere.

[edhopper]

24. This is true

I was specifically talki9ng about the allegations of fixing the ballots and machines.

[Blues Heron]

42. Except trumps confession

[edhopper]

48. I should say

insufficient evidence, not no evidence.

[Scrivener7]

4. Fear of them stealing the election is not illogical.

[edhopper]

11. Very true

but still not evidence that they did.

[yellow dahlia]

26. They always find a new method...or two.

[Blue Full Moon]

5. Musk is being investigated for election fraud right now in France.

He told the man over India's voting that any device can be hacked. Trump thanked him for his help with the counting computers, tabulators. Jim Baker warned about insider threats to EVMs. He gave example of money laundering a casino used slot machines pay Russians. It was the largest fine the United States ever imposed. The EVMs and slot machines use the same platform. The casino was Trump's Taq Mahal.

[edhopper]

13. In Franceit's about X being used for illegal propaganda.

There is a difference between illegal money or biased promotion and tampering with voting machines.

[Blue Full Moon]

18. Both is true

[Kid Berwyn]

8. More logical to ask Trump.

Musk is never around to answer for anything.

[gab13by13]

12. Every one of the swing states in the last election

had surges in votes for Trump for in person voting. Only the swing states followed that pattern, no other state showed that trend.

Kamala Harris won the last election and every time I saw a post about what Democrats did wrong it made me sick to my stomach.

So what if Democrats get control of Congress, what are they going to do, hold hearings? Everyone knew that Krasnov was guilty but we didn't have time to indict and convict him thanks to Garland. Krasnov will have veto power even if anything makes it through Congress.

[edhopper]

14. Not saying it didn't happen

but my question still stands, and we need better evidence than what I have seen.

[Ferrets are Cool]

25. This x 1000

[yellow dahlia]

27. "Kamala Harris won the last election and...

"every time I saw a post about what Democrats did wrong it made me sick to my stomach."

Ditto

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. You are correct, it is Kooky CT nonsense

If Musk rigged the 2024 election for Trump, then why didn’t he also rig the 2025 Wisconsin Supreme Court race he invest millions in, as well as his own ego?

There is as much evidence for 2024 election Denialism as there is for 2020 election denialism:

ZERO

9 million fewer people showed up to vote in 2024 compared to 2020 - that says all you need to know about how Trump won,

Election Denialism is a faulty coping mechanism used to avoid the painful emotions of accepting an election loss, and does nothing to prepare us for the challenges that lie ahead.

[edhopper]

17. Or

9 million votes weren't counted.
Not serious, but it's how CTs work.
I do think there was some shady shit going on, but haven't seen enough to show they tampered with voting machines.

[Qutzupalotl]

29. That's the thing.

There were reports of near record turnout in many places. That doesn't square with 9 million fewer people showing up.

It's fairly easy to target voters for elimination from the rolls, as groups like TrueTheVote did nationwide. That's one way to get higher turnout in lines but fewer counted votes. No kooky theory needed.

[stopdiggin]

36. NO. Apples and oranges. Where 'record turnouts' (as 'final numbers') were reported

the vote tallies reflected that. Heavy voting in certain areas, lighter in others. Also 'record turnout' - is often either a 'loose description' (generalized, non-numbers based) terminology ("long lines, people waiting&quot , or a description rendered for early voting (and incomplete) numbers. So, no - those two things are not the contradiction that you think they are.

And, no - you also did not see large numbers 'turned away' at the polls ... Show me an actual election official / poll worker that supports this version of events.

[Irish_Dem]

20. He needs a cover story. And he can't count on musk this time.

[yellow dahlia]

28. Exactly!

He sows doubt...and jumps up and down in advance. And he is doing some of the rigging out in the open this time.

[FascismIsDeath]

22. Because people saying it was rigged are just as smooth brained as the MAGA cult

[Blues Heron]

45. Trump said it that's why we should investigate

[yellow dahlia]

30. Midterms aren't necessarily as easy to rig.

It is more difficult to mess with data of smaller elections - obvious.

But they will do whatever it takes. They have even more to lose than before.

Dems and Independents need to have their eyes on everything, and not get complacent...and not make assumptions.

[bucolic_frolic]

31. DOGE the Republicans!

Their turn in the barrel is coming.

[Torchlight]

35. Mr. trump's done a stellar job of introducing doubts into our system

and Pres. Putin couldn't be happier... with the media, the elections, the courts, and law enforcement all now bones of civil contention looked at with contempt and mistrust, the foundational cornerstones of American life are getting gut-punched over and over again. But since it's all done With and For Profit, we shrug, we complain and then we move on to new outrages to passively defend our privileged complacency.

[stopdiggin]

38. And I sure as hell wish that WE'D stop playing the same game .. !

Nothing like leading that horse right up to .... The grand SAVE Act - and other do-gooder idiocy to 'safeguard' our elections !

Same day voting! Hand counting! Voter ID! Smash the machines!
Yep! That'll right the ship !

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