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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsME-SEN: Mills releases another ad knocking Platner over sexual assault remarks
Maine Gov. Janet Millss (D) campaign put out another advertisement on Thursday, going after her progressive opponent Graham Platner over remarks on sexual assault.
In the ad, a woman named Betsy E. says she proudly served in the United States Army, and I was raped.
For all women who have ever been raped, the pain never goes away. Graham Platner said women could avoid rape if they dont get so fed up they end up having sex with someone they dont mean to. Mr. Platner, I was not fed up, the woman adds.
Platner said women could avoid rape if they act like adults, for fs sake, The rapists are to blame, not women like me.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5801420-maine-governor-mills-ad-sexual-assault/
QueerDuck
(1,674 posts)niyad
(132,247 posts)mildly, outraged. Too many alarm bells going off in my head, even if Sen. Warren endorsed him.
ananda
(35,086 posts)Grrr
Pototan
(3,117 posts)no matter who the nominee is.
JI7
(93,568 posts)RandySF
(84,004 posts)JI7
(93,568 posts)If he was non white those comments would have ended it for him .
niyad
(132,247 posts)JI7
(93,568 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,658 posts)Just because Maine seems to constantly fall for her being a supposed moderate. She should have lost last time.
But this time gas prices and the war could sink her.
JI7
(93,568 posts)Funding for things that she is able to get from serving in the SEnate for so long.
RandySF
(84,004 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,764 posts)If his words cost us an election, that's a lesson to learn about someone with an incredibly problematic background continuing in a primary.
karynnj
(60,950 posts)All of these things were dug up I think by someone supporting another candidate before Mills entered the race. They have all been out there for months while he has become stronger in both the primary and general election. As a 75 year old, whose favorite candidate was the very honorable John Kerry, it surprises me that none of this sticks.
So, I have tried to consider what his attraction is. The only insight I can conjure up was that in 2016, in NH there was a significant number of people uncertain whether they wanted to support Bernie in the Democratic primary or Trump in the general. As a politician and a person Bernie is almost the opposite of Trump. The common ground might be both reject mainstream politicians.
Could that be what is happening here? Could that explain why so many things that have been uncovered have no impact? Consider he created an image of being an oysterman, obscuring he was from a prominent family, went to an elite school and was greatly helped by his family in his business. When that was pointed out, no one cared.
On the darker things, his tattoo and his misogynistic, homophobic, racist comments, it's almost like the GWB " I was young and irresponsible" so nothing before age 40 or so counts. Yet everything Al Gore said was used ( or in the case of having led on funding the program that led to the internet, misused) ( or why Access Hollywood didn't end Trump's run, though every word Hillary had ever said seemed to matter.)
I live in VT, not Maine, so I haven't seen anything showing what he says he stands for. If I was in Maine, I would vote for Mills. As to the difference in the general election polls, I wonder if there is more of a tendency for Platner voters to claim they would not vote, were undecided or even would vote for Collins than there is for the more mainstream Mills voters.
Boo1
(349 posts)Right?
JI7
(93,568 posts)niyad
(132,247 posts)2naSalit
(102,635 posts)Leaving a mark. He is having trouble addressing his issues when asked about them.
Time will tell, Mills knows how to hit him, primary is in June I think.
Puppyjive
(985 posts)I was once told by a vereran service officer that women were to blame because they get drunk and bring it on. I don't care what anyone says, especially a man, no means no.
Joinfortmill
(21,103 posts)until they are intoxicated.
niyad
(132,247 posts)intoxicated.
Joinfortmill
(21,103 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,830 posts)Not sure how far removed from them he is yet, and that's a major concern. I'd like to see his explanation beyond "they were shit posts"
niyad
(132,247 posts)See my post 20.
SSJVegeta
(2,830 posts)One of which says "when misused, may derail all future political ambitions."
niyad
(132,247 posts)something is out there, be it print, or video, speech, online, whatever, SOMEBODY SKMEWHERE has a copy, no matter what one thinks one has erased or destroyed. (waving at agent freddie!).
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)Was that comment part of a pattern, a one-off, were there behaviors and publics stands along these same lines, etc.?
RandySF
(84,004 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,103 posts)AllyCat
(18,817 posts)So far there isnt a great answer.
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)The tattoo was an obscure Nazi symbol, not obvious like a swastika. His life after that has not been marked by right-wing racism and misogyny, or any signs that the tattoo represented a core belief. I'm more impressed by his progressive political stands than by a Reddit post from 10 years ago and a tattoo from 20 years ago.
EX500rider
(12,575 posts)And getting a Nazi tattoo 20 years ago was bad, keeping it for 20 years is 10 times worse IMO
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)Versus 3 tours of combat duty in Iraq, 8 years overseas, PTSD - and calling oligarchs the enemy and etc. Seems to me like some powerful buzzwords are getting linked to him, and are triggering a strong enough reaction to jeopardize the candidacy of one of the few politicians who is clearly a pro-working class social democrat.
EX500rider
(12,575 posts)And he hired on AFTER they gained widespread notoriety for the Nisour Square massacre in Baghdad, when a group of its employees killed 17 Iraqi civilians and injured 20.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,926 posts)TheRickles
(3,372 posts)I'm not immersed in the world of tattoos, but I've been around the block and I doubt this was common knowledge.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,926 posts)imagery sneaking into the mainstream, I've been familiar with it for years.
If you're online at all, you've probably seen it yourself:

The man prides himself on his knowledge of military history. He knew what he was doing.
niyad
(132,247 posts)attention to symbols.
DFW
(60,154 posts)Of course, my dad was a WWII vet, and I live in Germany, so its hard to find anyone in my circle of acquaintences who would NOT immediately recognize that symbol.
EX500rider
(12,575 posts)It is in the top three of Nazi symbology though.
Basically the swastika, followed by the SS lightning bolts followed by this.
yorkster
(3,819 posts)questionseverything
(11,810 posts)yorkster
(3,819 posts)maybe reddit that he referred to it as my Totenkopf sometime before any publicity about the tattoo, the comments on Reddit, etc.
I should have said that I didn't have a link, just remembered reading it. Apologies.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)The guy is a complete jerk. Basically, he appears to have the same personality and message as Trump.
yorkster
(3,819 posts)yardwork
(69,347 posts)Excerpted by a right-wing publication, because they're going to have a field day with this:
In one thread from 2019, Platner weighed in on a conversation about the Totenkopf to note that many US service members had adopted similar imagery, such as the Punisher skull used by some Navy SEALs.
Using his longtime Reddit handle P-Hustle, the former Marine infantryman and future Democratic Senate hopeful also argued in a 2020 online discussion that SS lightning-bolt tattoos were a culture marker within Marine Scout Sniper units, not an expression of White supremacist ideology.
When commenters in the 2020 thread described the lightning bolts as a Nazi or racist symbol, Platner dismissed the criticism, writing that outsiders have no idea what theyre talking about and added, I will be sure to inform the Black guys I know with bolts that theyre Nazis now.
CNN also spoke with an acquaintance of Platner from more than a decade ago who said Platner spoke about his tattoo resembling a Nazi symbol. A second person told CNN that they learned of the tattoo years ago from the acquaintance, who told them that Platner had described it as a Nazi-style design.
CNN also reviewed a text chain between the acquaintance and another person discussing Platners Nazi-like tattoo several months ago, before the story became public.
questionseverything
(11,810 posts)I would trust the guy with the tat
mcar
(46,011 posts)yardwork
(69,347 posts)Wild hysterical fear of anything related to Israel is an emotional response compatible with being ok with Nazis. Maybe even pro-Nazi, as Platner appears to be.
tritsofme
(19,887 posts)Actually not particularly surprising.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)He knew exactly what it was and he thought it was hilarious.
If he gets elected to the Senate, ask yourself if you'll trust him to vote with Democrats when crucial decisions come down to one vote.
See: Fetterman. Sinema. Manchin.
MustLoveBeagles
(16,258 posts)mcar
(46,011 posts)Anyone can say things that progressives want to hear (see Fetterman, John).
10 years ago when he was spewing his filth about women he was a 31 YO grown ass man. Why are we so quick to ignore disgusting statements - whenever they are made?
MustLoveBeagles
(16,258 posts)It's amazing the amount of support he has! He reeks of fake Democrat to me. Team Mills all the way even though I'm not from Maine.
EdmondDantes_
(1,764 posts)Is a 5 year stretch enough of a pattern? If he's truly sorry for that period, cool, but what's the evidence? He wasn't a 15 year old kid at that point.
He also went on an antisemitic YouTube show telling the host he's a long time fan. Maybe he was just being nice, but then the best case scenario is he went on a show his team didn't vet. In a worst case scenario that tattoo explanation looks suspect.
niyad
(132,247 posts)deleted them when someone questioned him indicates he KNEW they were wrong. Also indicates that he is not very bright if he did not understand that people had copies. Third, havin looked at his platform, the sexist language is still there.
mcar
(46,011 posts)I'm appalled that people here are excusing them.
niyad
(132,247 posts)remarks about rape, and sexual assault in the military, and his general sexism, by saying he was suffering from PTSD. Now, having dealt with many PTSD vets as a counselor, and having been around them all my life, I never heard that kind of talk from them when they were in crisis.
Excusing and defending those remarks by saying PTSD is appalling.
mcar
(46,011 posts)niyad
(132,247 posts)of all who suffer from PTSD that he would say anything like that.
mcar
(46,011 posts)"But he's autistic..."
niyad
(132,247 posts)of work on every level.
Boo1
(349 posts)He'd be getting fileted on here. Too many defending him.
He's a shit candidate and we dont need him.
Bernie sucks at picking candidates to endorse.
WalkingMan1959
(9 posts)Watch Mills town hall from last week on YouTube! Shes a grumpy ole politician who doesnt want to be told shes wrong or needs to do better! Shes Aloof and indifferent to any feedback to the point of discomfort. As the viewer it was like watching a slow motion wreck. Multiple people in the zoom town hall told her that her first pol add against Plantner was divisive and would only help Collins. Im pro working class, not perfect, know how to admit when I make a mistake then move forward. We all have said regrettable things we wish we had never uttered. Shes got baggage too!
bearsfootball516
(6,710 posts)Whether people like him or not, he's a pretty overwhelming favorite to win the primary at this point.
Same poll showed him beating Collins by 8 in the general.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)Lots of Americans - including lots of Democrats - are fine with racism, misogyny, and antisemitism. They think it's perfectly fine. Maybe they even agree with it.
It also tells me that lots of Americans will support a candidate who promises all kinds of things - even when they have zero experience in government and no likelihood whatsoever of accomplishing those promises. And this is particularly true if the candidate is a white man running against a woman.
It tells me that lots of Americans will reject a woman who has extensive experience in government in lieu of any white male candidate, no matter how inexperienced he is, or how bad his behavior has been.
So when people complain about Pete Hegseth running our military, I have to conclude that he's what a lot of Americans want.
Pretty sad.
niyad
(132,247 posts)Quiet Em
(2,923 posts)about women, Black people and gay people. He has at least one offensive Nazi tattoo. He seems to follow right wing, antisemetic, white supremacists on Elon's cesspool. He has horrible judgment, his apologies do not seem sincere, he has no experience or qualifications for the role of Senator and frankly he's not very bright.
I don't know who recruited him or why but it really irks me. Maine is a seat we have a chance to flip. This guy is not going to win against Susan Collins. Being angry with Chuck Schumer, AIPAC, Democrats or thinking Mills is too old are horrible reasons to push this unvetted guy with all this baggage. Really sad that people will ignore all that baggage or make excuses for it just because he's a white guy.
Janet Mills is a Democrat. She's tough, smart, she's a fighter and she has won State wide elections. She is the candidate who could defeat Susan Collins.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)Platner is being promoted by the same people who funded attacks on Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Biden and Harris in 2024. The online propaganda supporting Platner uses similar language to promote him and to attack Janet Mills.
Even here on bland DU we're seeing the same attacks and language. Yesterday some DUers were accusing Janet Mills of "taking AIPAC money" but when asked for evidence, they were unable to come up with any. She's not taking AIPAC money. It's a lie.
Look at the posts supporting Platner. Same rhetoric as in 2016 and 2024. Same types of false accusations against a female Democrat - who's been the governor of Maine, but is cast as some kind of old witch. (I'm using that phrase deliberately.)
Wake up people. The billionaires are at it again.
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)His campaign rhetoric has been unmistakably anti-oligarch.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)Your post is an example of the rhetoric I'm taking about.
What the hell is an "anti-oligarch?"
No, really.
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)Here's a quote from his first campaign video: "I did four infantry tours in the Marine Corps and the Army. I'm not afraid to name an enemy. And the enemy is the oligarchy. It's the billionaires who pay for it, and the politicians who sell us out. And yeah, that means politicians like Susan Collins."
His political stand seems pretty clear, and his rhetoric seems appropriate to his stand. So again, where's the evidence that he supports billionaires? And what's wrong with the term "anti-oligarch"? I think the meaning is pretty evident.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)Let me tell you what's going to happen, because I've seen this show at least twice before.
Janet Mills, who's been a decent and courageous governor of Maine, will lose the primary. She's being accused of a lot of garbage, the usual: "She's an oligarch who's been anointed!!! She's responsible for genocide in Gaza!!!! She doesn't CAAAAAAARE about you!!!!!" And so forth. So she'll lose.
As the general election approaches Susan Collin's campaign will unleash a bunch of stuff on Platner. Maybe they'll release documents showing he was a buddy of Epstein, or something. (It won't have to be true. The falser and more outrageous the better. Big lies work.)
Susan Collins will be reelected and the Republicans will hold control of the Senate by a vote or two. Another lifetime loser will be appointed to the Supreme Court. Nobody will impeach or even investigate Trump. The oligarchs will remain firmly in control.
TheRickles
(3,372 posts)I'm not from Maine, but I was getting the sense that they're fed up with Collins and they're not so readily swayed by scandalous headlines. We shall see....
questionseverything
(11,810 posts)Im not a liar but I dont know how to post a link from my phone
There was a push for maine to divest from investments that supported Israel and she fought that tooth and nail
mcar
(46,011 posts)yardwork
(69,347 posts)Today you're back making unsupported accusations.
"Mills is very supportive of Israel." What does that mean, exactly? What role does the governor of Maine play in the Middle East?
"I have read..." Where? Got a link?
Some people say....
questionseverything
(11,810 posts)Wether I can post a link from my phone or not
. I notice you never provide a link
Any one googling Mills will see she is very pro Israel, are you saying she isnt?
yardwork
(69,347 posts)You're allowed to have your own opinions but not your own facts.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,926 posts)command comes up. Then you can navigate to a DU post and hold your finger down until "paste" comes up. Or you could tell us what site your information is at.
questionseverything
(11,810 posts)questionseverything
(11,810 posts)300 hospitals and 500 schools
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,926 posts)appmanga
(1,488 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(16,258 posts)mcar
(46,011 posts)I await the "but he's for Medicare for All so we can just overlook these comments" crowd.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)betsuni
(29,051 posts)Easterncedar
(6,219 posts)Mills is losing ground with what some folks see as a negative campaign. I will vote for her, but I know many liberals who won't.
I don't trust Platner. I hope I am wrong.
Aepps22
(383 posts)Imagine the ads Collins will run against this guy. He has so many red flags that the attack ads write themselves. Sadly when confronted on these issues his explanations seem inadequate at best and accusatory against the party at worst. The vetting process for some of these candidates has to be better. We cant keep giving so called progressives that have problematic pasts a pass for not explaining past behaviors.
bearsfootball516
(6,710 posts)There's not a voter in Maine that isn't aware of Platner's past at this point, it's been plastered everywhere for months. And he continues to beat Mills in primary polling, and then beat Collins in the general, usually by larger margins than Mills polls at.
yardwork
(69,347 posts)Either (1) the RNC has worse things to reveal about Platner (or they'll just make stuff up) and he'll lose OR (2) he'll win and we'll have a pro-Nazi, homophobic misogynistic bigot in the Senate who doesn't know anything about how our government works. But this time he'll be on "our" side. How do we think he'll vote?
I expect to see a lot more of these "Democratic" candidates.
mr715
(3,508 posts)He is a Democratic nominee for Senate. At that point, we need to probably extend to him a bit of grace before he has any legislative track record.
He isn't Fetterman, yet.
If he is just a seat in the Democratic caucus, that is better than Susan Collins.
dlk
(13,244 posts)His callous disregard of women and the realities of sexual assault should be a disqualifier in a party that purports to support women.
I am sick and tired of the in your face bro culture that is just plain old fashioned misogyny.
What kind of a twisted world celebrates women-haters?
biocube
(212 posts)Based on what?
An Emerson poll I saw said Platner matches up better against Collins than Mills does.
This reminds me of the denial of the data that came out in 2016 showing Sanders matched up better against Trump than Hillary.