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(7,746 posts)And ZERO coverage in the media!
Botany
(77,276 posts)
voters. And on and on. Im surprised I havent gotten the standard this has been disproven or
how come Harris didnt fight? Post yet.
Easterncedar
(6,219 posts)And I want, at the same time, to believe it can be proven that they have been corrupted and the last one can be overturned. But wheres the organization powerful enough to take that on? Hell, we couldnt deal with Floridas clear steal in Gore v Bush.
Theres a lot of resistance to the idea that the election was a criminal sham in part because that means we may not be able to vote our way out of the current horror show.
Whiskeytide
(4,655 posts)the link you posted. He reverses his opinion and says he was hoodwinked by one of the groups involved in promoting the idea that 2024 was rigged.
Botany
(77,276 posts)EarlG
(23,621 posts)the official count done by local election officials is very much not the same thing as the numbers that are presented to you by media companies on election night. The data that is shown on TV on election night, as media companies race to be the first one to declare a winner, are prone to errors and screw-ups the real tally by election officials is generally not.
In other words it is the shitty, buggy election night reporting by media companies that unfortunately allows the kind of conspiracy theory in the OP to flourish.
Ive always had a beef with the way election results are reported here compared to the way they do it in other countries, for example, the UK. Theres absolutely no need to have an ongoing TV race that involves partial totals and votes coming in on election night. It changes the way we think about elections for example, it allowed Trump to get people to believe his claim that we were in the lead and then thousands of votes got fraudulently added was a real problem, and not just complete BS because of the way different county totals were reported by the media at different times. That partial-total reporting creates easy opportunities for the creation of conspiracy theories.
IMO, once polls have closed, media companies should STFU and let the counters do their jobs until a result is ready to be officially reported.
Botany
(77,276 posts)kind of maleficence?
A simple bell shaped curve can prove that something was up and has been up for years.
How come every poll closure, every voter I.D. law, every hanging chad, every signature match
on mail in ballots
. did a pro democrat agent get into somebodys home or mail box and steal
somebodys mail in ballot and turn it in because the bar code on the bottom of the mail in ballot
has to match the information @ the B.O.E
every removal of drop boxes for mail in ballots,
every anomaly, almost every removal of a voter from voter rolls, all the media stories about the price of eggs in 2024 but only after the election we started hearing about bird flu that caused the death of > 150 million chickens, and on and on and on. Simple statistics can show you something was up.
This Legitimate Work you can double check the information with Google.
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the
Im feeling more optimistic after tonight.
Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix
This isnt something on the chessboard, so theyll be quite surprised. Lasers from space.
Elon Musk, NYT reporting, October 5, 2024
EarlG
(23,621 posts)The results you see being reported on the TV on election night are not the "real" numbers. The actual vote counting and reporting is taking place at the local level, and once the results of a particular election are all reported to the appropriate authorities, finalized, and certified, then you have a winner. Those are the only numbers that matter.
But on election night, there's a whole separate media pipeline that is trying to grab these numbers, compile them, and present them to the public as fast as possible -- in an unnecessarily sensational way, in my opinion. It is during this part of the process that errors like the ones you're seeing in the TWH report can be made. Incorrect totals can be reported, or even counties that don't exist. But those errors aren't coming from the actual counting process, they're coming from the media reporting pipeline. There's an incorrect conclusion being drawn here that because the election night media reports are sometimes wrong, that means there must be something wrong with the actual vote totals.
Here's how they do it in the UK: Just like in the US, there is a date and time when votes start to be accepted for counting, and a date and time when votes stop being accepted for counting. Just like in the US, when the date and time that votes stop being accepted has passed, the votes are counted by local officials.
The difference is that in the UK, the count -- and the result -- is not reported AT ALL until it has been completed and finalized. So in the UK, when the polls close, the media sits around for hours twiddling their thumbs until actual finalized results start coming in, at which point they start reporting and analyzing what it all means. The results part of the process is actually very exciting -- in each constituency, they gather all the candidates together on a single stage, and then read out the official totals and declare the winner while they stand there.
But in the US, we add on this extra layer of partial count reporting which creates the sensationalistic appearance of an ongoing horse race AFTER ALL THE VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST, which just doesn't make sense to me.
In both the US and the UK, the end result is exactly the same -- the only count that matters is the official count done by local officials and then certified by the counting authority. If anyone has a problem with that count, they can ask for a recount or an audit or whatever. But in the US we add this unnecessary level of media scrutiny DURING the counting process, which can lead to errors in reporting, which -- as seen above -- can provide fertile ground for conspiracy theories.
The point is that trying to analyze actual, real election results from election night media-reported partial count numbers is fruitless. It doesn't tell you anything useful at all.
Botany
(77,276 posts)the different levels of the election data being processed and released
. personal vote @ precinct, mail in
vote, early voting, precinct level tabulation of the data, the compiling of that data @ the County BOE,
after which the countys election data is sent to the Sec. of State who then compiles that data and release it after the voting is done and the county BOEs have sent in all their returns. A lot of times partial returns
for a given county are released.
It was not about how and when various media and cyber platforms release the returns.
It was about a totally made up county in the state of Florida somehow got included in reporting the election results. Burke County should be a big red flag that something was up. We have very good
evidence that the Republicans have used various places to park election data which can be used later
to achieve their desired results.
Or I could just be bat shit crazy.
Earl
mr715
(3,508 posts)Had she won, she'd be President.
Had it been "rigged" it would be on Biden's shoulders.
It is so frustrating to see these posts every few days. You are having your emotions manipulated.
What about Elon Musk gives you confidence that he has the ability to accomplish cooking a chicken, much less stealing an election?
He isn't a Bond villain. He's a special needs billionaire.
I love ya'll and appreciate you, but this ship has sailed. If we continue circulating this, we are doing the same stuff that Trump did in 2020. And it'll doom us because our integrity prevents us from storming the capitol.
When presented with a story that is exactly what you want to hear ask the question: who benefits from this?
And... who does?
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