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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPentagon "new plans" are insane.
Just because military personnel drink water and use energy doesn't make power plants and desalination plants "legitimate" targets.
This fig leaf is ludicrous.
Not just ludicrous. These immoral, obscene, evil rationalizations must be universally rejected and condemned.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/06/pentagon-iran-war-crime-accusations-00860468
The Pentagon is expanding a list of Iranian energy sites it can target for attacks to include ones that provide fuel and power to both civilians and the military...
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The tension revolves around where to draw the line between military and civilian targets, such as water desalination plants, which could be considered targets because military forces also need water to drink.
Irish_Dem
(81,504 posts)Does that compute at all?
GCG
(93 posts)The US military lacks the right kind of courage. It will commit atrocities and follow orders...just like the Einsatzgruppen did!!!
Irish_Dem
(81,504 posts)This is not over yet.
liberalgunwilltravel
(1,223 posts)Will suffer the same fate. The world wont forget and neither will we.
Justice matters.
(9,827 posts)No lawful deterrent applied = commit as many war crimes as you want and there will be no consequences.
Commit insurrection crimes, EA crimes, sexual abuses crimes, financial crimes and you can get elected POTUS again
The US Criminal Code was written for good reasons... but when nobody has the courage to apply it, that's what happens.
Blues Heron
(8,869 posts)2naSalit
(102,980 posts)The excuses both the US and israel have used to deny the people of Palestine, Iran, Iraq and Cuba and others access to important things like hospital equipment and modern machinery and other goods used in every day life, they used the dual use argument, they still do.
pat_k
(13,419 posts)efhmc
(16,708 posts)CousinIT
(12,561 posts)...ludicrous
As I wrote in reply to the above, when I wrote it I sort of expected spell check to correct. When it wasn't flagged i thought "hmm guess that's right."
Obviously, I'm an idiot on spelling.
pat_k
(13,419 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:14 PM - Edit history (2)
I'm an idiot.
When I wrote it I sort of expected spell check to correct. When it wasn't flagged i thought "hmm, guess that's right."
Apparently the rapper's name is in the spell check "dictionary."
efhmc
(16,708 posts)WarGamer
(18,666 posts)Celerity
(54,485 posts)pat_k
(13,419 posts)From AI (Gemini). Take with whatever grains of salt you apply to all AI:
The Catalyst: Ludacris was hired as part of a multi-cultural ad campaign featuring stars like Shakira and Bernie Mac. O'Reilly specifically targeted Ludacris following a Pepsi commercial aired during the MTV Video Music Awards.
The Rhetoric: On air, O'Reilly urged "responsible Americans to fight back and punish Pepsi for using a man who degrades women". He labelled Ludacris "a thug rapper" whose lyrics were "profane" and "sexually explicit".
The Outcome: Within days of O'Reillys call to action, Pepsi succumbed to the pressure and canceled the ad campaign on August 29, 2002, stating, "We've heard from a number of people that were uncomfortable with our association with this artist".
Reaction: O'Reilly praised his viewers, stating on his show: "Apparently thousands of you let Pepsi know that Ludacris was unacceptable, and today they canceled him".
Aftermath and Impact
Charitable Donations: Following the termination of the deal, Pepsi faced backlash from the hip-hop community, including threats of a boycott led by Def Jam and the Hip-Hop Summit Action Network. To manage the fallout, Pepsi donated $3 million to urban charities.
Ludacris's Response: While dropped by Pepsi, Ludacris saw his career continue to grow. He referenced the incident in his 2003 song "Blow It Out," saying, "You mad cause I'm a thief and got a way with words... Pepsi's the new generation blow it out ya ass!".
Reconciliation: In 2010, the two met in person. Ludacris stated they reached common ground, and later revealed that O'Reilly made a donation to his foundation.
Long-term View: Years later, Ludacris noted the irony of O'Reilly's campaign given the sexual harassment allegations that eventually led to O'Reilly being fired from Fox News.
For reference links, ask Google AI the question: "tell me about bill o'reilly's campaign to pressure pepsi to drop ludacris"
efhmc
(16,708 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,224 posts)The actions are explicitly illegal in every convention of warfare.
pat_k
(13,419 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2026, 02:24 PM - Edit history (1)
... the acceptability of a "position" it hasn't yet actually taken via leak.
She also named Axios as a place she's noticed is similarly used.
If there is a powerful negative reaction to the thing floated, they drop it.
So it's up to us to make sure electeds, armed services committee members, letters to editors, social media feeds, etc., hear what we think about this bit of insanity.
Diraven
(1,915 posts)There's no reason to even go after infrastructure that supports ground forces unless there's going to be a land invasion.
multigraincracker
(37,719 posts)To be safe, hope Im wrong, the football with the codes need to be taken away from him NOW.
We are only hours away.
pat_k
(13,419 posts)And we're not the only ones.
Not just war crimes. He threatens GENOCIDE. @ohhthatsrich
Ohh That's RICH
THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT WORDS IN MILITARY LAW:
NECESSITY and PROPORTIONALITY
https://youtube.com/shorts/OMBDMxzeisM