The 25th Amendment will NOT be coming to our rescue!

[markpkessinger]

All this talk about the 25th Amendment amounts to nothing more than spinning our wheels, and in any case, the 25th Amendment wasn't really intended for the situation in which the President is insane. Impeachment is the appropriate response. And yes, I know it is unlikely to succeed. But if you think impeachment is unlikely to succeed, the 25th Amendment is a far BIGGER hurdle! Here's why:

The 25th Amendment must be initiated by the VP and a majority of the cabinet. But if the President contests it -- and Trump surely would do so -- it then goes before both the House and Senate, where it must receive a 2/3 vote in both chambers.

Contrast this with impeachment, which requires only a simple majority vote in the House to initiate, and a 2/3 vote in the Senate only to convict. This is a far lower hurdle than the 25th Amendment!

[Dave Bowman]

1. How about a long form death certificate?

[unblock]

2. Exactly

But facts and logic don't keep the media and others from trotting out this fantasy from time to time....

[QueerDuck]

3. I agree. --- Thanks for the lesson and spelling it out so clearly.

The stars are not going to align on this one. And even if they did, he's not removed... he's just sidelined.

[Timewas]

4. Doesn't matter

Neither is going to happen before next year at the earliet...

[Torchlight]

5. The conversation though is certainly getting a lot of traction.

I won't pretend to read leaves, but I will allow myself a smile that our nation is beginning to take notice of his intellectual handicaps. That's a fantastic end-result in and of itself.

[leftstreet]

7. +1

I love it

Hard to imagine this national conversation erupting when Bush and Cheney were slaughtering Iraqis by the gazillions. At that time the anti-war movement (which was huge) felt like the only option for reining in an Executive.

[kentuck]

6. Impeachment is more likely than 25th Amendment.

And Vegas is not laying odds on either one.

We are in the hands of fate.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. There is no Deus ex Machina with Trump

We have to be our own Cavalry.

[Frasier Balzov]

9. Termitic cabinet appointments.

And termitic Senators who won't remove him.

Fumigate!

[Bettie]

10. Of course not

his cabinet members are chosen for their lack of a spine or a functioning brain along with devotion verging on mania.

[bigtree]

11. every legislator calling for it knows this

...and it's still their duty to call for it.

Impeachment has it's own obstacles right now, so I'm not sure why focusing on one unatainable goal is better than the other.

The party is correct in lining up behind every removal remedy, especially those which demand the president's own party act against these abominations against humanity and justice because, politics.

Leave nothing behind and crush republican enablers in the next election and beyond for their complicity.

Moreover, this posture demands republicans act NOW to restrain this madman from more military megalomania.

[Initech]

12. What do we do then? Waiting for death isn't an option.

We have to fight back against the scumbag billionaire oligarchs with everything we have.

[BlueTsunami2018]

13. Of course not. Did anyone seriously think it would?

And impeachment is a complete waste of time as well. Piss isn’t going anywhere, he’s there as long as he’s still alive.

No one is coming to save us.

Only we can save ourselves. And that’s not happening either.

As I say all the time, there’s only one way to get rid of fascists.


At some point, it will happen. Who knows how far away that is? Not anytime soon, that’s for sure.

[GoodRaisin]

14. 25th is not happening with the clown cabinet.

Senate realistically doesn’t have enough votes for 2/3 majority. Impeachment alone isn’t going to get him out.

[markpkessinger]

15. But impeachment requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate only . . .

. . . whereas a 25th Amendment requires a 2/3 vote in BOTH the House and Senate. So tell me, which is more likely to succeed?

[GoodRaisin]

16. Neither will succeed. The 25th amendment must be initiated with the VP and Cabinet, where it has

no support by either. So, 25th stops right there. It will never get a vote by anyone.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

17. Deadline Legal Blog-How the 25th Amendment would work against Trump amid his Iran belligerence

Like in the impeachment process, the Republican-controlled Congress has a role to play.

How the 25th Amendment would work against Trump amid his Iran belligerence

https://www.europesays.com/iran/56326/

Politically diverse voices have raised the prospect of using the 25th Amendment to sideline President Donald Trump as he brings us to the brink…

— EUROPE SAYS (@europesays.bsky.social) 2026-04-07T20:32:05+00:00

https://www.ms.now/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/how-25th-amendment-would-work-trump-iran

Whatever the likelihood of such a move, you might wonder: How would that constitutional process play out?

Section 4 of the amendment gives the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet (or another body designated by Congress) the power to declare that the president “is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” If such a declaration is made here, then Vice President JD Vance would, as the amendment says, “immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.”

But that would not end the matter. Section 4, which has never been invoked, goes on to give the president the power to then tell Congress that he’s able to serve. In that case, he regains the office unless the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet (or another body designated by Congress) say he’s unable to serve. If that happens, then it’s up to Congress to decide, with the amendment requiring a two-thirds vote in both chambers, that the president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” If Congress makes that determination, the vice president continues acting as president; otherwise, the president resumes serving.

So, although the initial action can come from the White House, Congress ultimately has a role to play, and Republicans control both chambers. ....

Therefore, like the 25th Amendment, impeachment leaves the fate of the country to a Republican party and congressional majority that has been subservient to this president.

trump will NOT be removed under the 25th Amendment. Vance and the cabinet will not remove trump and if they did there is no way that two-thirds of both the Senate and House would support this if trump challenges this removal.

There may some political benefit in trying to shame Vance and the cabinet into invoking the 25th Amendment but I believe that Vance and the assholes in trump's cabinet are immune to shame

[mopinko]

18. i think it's just a vehicle to say that he is insane and unfit.

i think most of the ppl saying it understand that it’s a high bar, but they r throwing down a marker.

[WarGamer]

19. It's just fantasy fuel... no one really believe it.

[EX500rider]

20. Also it says: "is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office"

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It was written for presidents in a coma, etc
Mango Mussolini unfortunately is not in a coma, and IS able, whether we like the outcome of his actions or not.